Rime & Reason wrote:madhatter wrote:Rime & Reason wrote:madhatter wrote:yeah I'm gonna go w I don't think so...Pretty sure you'd have a hard time finding even ONE example of me " being ecstatic" over anyone, let alone over someone who besides one single value is basically at odds w my entire philosophy...( the way the pope and Catholicism are pretty much at odds w every other leftist ideal)
Careful Madhatter, your ignorance is showing again. These days the Catholic Church is very much anti-war and their charities do a great deal to help the disadvantaged
pretty sure that's LONG been their philosophy so not sure where you are getting "these days" from... -- just 2 of their “leftist ideals”.
the church funds its own charities while the "left" insists that the state fill that need, hardly the "same leftist ideals"JFK was Catholic, and don’t get me started on the new Pope.
he's catholic too...start there I guess...In fact, I think the main reason that the Catholic Church does not have much sway in U.S. politics is precisely because
by law they are not allowed to actively engage in politics lest they lose their non-profit religious exemption?their philosophy promotes causes on both the left and the right,
anti-war and pro-charity are not exclusives of the left or right AFAIK...and I'm pretty sure that traditional marriage, no birth control and no abortions are high up there on their list of "priorities"rather than significantly favoring one over the other.
“There are 83 Catholics among the 234 Democrats in the House or Senate, good for 35 percent of the Democrats' total, and 81 Catholics among the 301 Republicans in Congress, or 27 percent of the GOP's total”
or ya know , TWO fewer...
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with the left's anti religious bent, it's hard to imagine what your point is but as someone succinctly put it...
I'll listen to the Pope on this when Nancy Pelosi listens to him on abortion,gay marriage and birth control. I will also act like this is a crisis when Al Gore begins to live like Ed Begley Jr.
so as usual I'm gonna go with you projecting YOUR ignorance as the main theme of your post, whether it was intentional or not....
Madhatter, you said, and I quote, “The way the pope and Catholicism are pretty much at odds w every other leftist ideal”. I already posted 2 leftist ideals that the Catholic Church actively support -- being anti-war, and charities for the disadvantaged.
those aren't "LEFT WING IDEALS" leftists want the STATE to be the "charitable" organization via coerced taxes, while the church IS its own charitable organization via VOLUNTARY contributions...so stop trying to glom on to a noble ideal by associating it with you lecherous scabsI told you that there is almost an even split between Catholic Democrats and Republicans in Congress. Let me throw in one more leftist ideal -- the Catholic Church is also against the Death Penalty. I have certainly proven my case that the Pope and Catholicism are not at odds with
every leftist ideal. Not even close. Even your pal Eddy just said, “Yes they do agree with him on some social justice issues”. Clearly your statement was wrong. Very wrong.
Now, most posters when faced with this situation would quietly back away from the issue and pretend it never came up. Perhaps a few brave souls would take the high road and actually admit that they were wrong. Not you though. Instead you doubled down and tried to explain away my argument point by point. Seriously? You think anyone is falling for that? If you had not doubled down maybe you could have claimed confusion or misunderstanding, but too late. No, you were either outright lying to us, or you were seriously ignorant on a topic that you pretended to know something about. Which is it?
yeah that's it...Catholicism, Christianity and religion are left wing ideals...you really are a special kinda stupid ain't ya? you've got a paradigm invented in your head that doesn't exist in the real world... congrats for proving your outright insanity...The big difference between progressive lefties and the catholic s church is they asks for money for funding on a voluntary basis while the progressive left demands it from everyone else via govt proxy...But the real divide is in the case of morality issues where the church is highly unlikely to ever embrace leftwing ideals of abortion, unwed mothers, gay marriage, and birth control...perhaps what you meant to say is that the very secular left is adopting some of the churches ideals? cuz it's certainly not the other way around....
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he Democratic Party is facing a Catholic apocalypse
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While Catholics have been swing voters since Richard Nixon’s second term, white Catholics are now identifying as Republican by historic margins. According to the most recent polling from the Pew Research Center, 53 percent of white Catholics now favor the GOP, versus 39 percent who favor the Democrats—the largest point spread in the history of the Pew poll. And for the first time, white Catholics are more Republican than the voting group usually considered the ultimate Republicans: white Protestants (a designation that includes both mainline and evangelical Protestants).
But neither of these trends explains why white Catholics have abandoned the Democratic Party so suddenly and so dramatically. After all, in 2008 Barack Obama managed to keep his margin of loss of white Catholic voters to John McCain to just 5 points. But four years later, he lost the white Catholic vote to Mitt Romney by a stunning 19 points.
Krueger points to the Catholic bishop’s demonization in 2011 of the “contraceptive mandate” in the Affordable Care Act, and their subsequent ginning up of the war on “religious liberty” — which was joined by elements of the religious right and fused with its war on Obamacare — as another factor helping to drive Catholics toward the GOP. And the numbers bear Krueger out. According to Pew, between 2009 and 2014, the number of white Catholics who said the Obama administration — and by inference the Democratic Party — was “unfriendly to religion” more than doubled from 17 percent to 36 percent.
This concern about government overreach with the Affordable Care Act and out-of-control spending, as well as about illegal immigration, points to a “Tea Party-ization” of white Catholics. And trends in Congress bear this out. Even as Catholic voters first began to shift their loyalties in terms of presidential elections, the House of Representatives remained a Catholic Democrat bastion. In 2009, there were almost three times as many Catholic Democrats as Catholic Republicans — 98 Democrats to 37 Republicans. But as of 2015, House Republicans who identify as Catholic outnumber Catholic Democrats — 69 to 68 — for the first time ever.
Things get more dire at the state level and pose particular challenges to Democratic efforts to win back control of either chamber of Congress. In the 2006 off-year election, the white Catholic vote spilt just about evenly between Democratic and Republican congressional candidates. But by 2010, a yawning 20-point gap opened up that increased to 22 points in 2014.
“The shift in the Catholic vote should really be a wakeup call to the Democrats,” says Krueger. “White Catholics are 18 percent of the electorate and Catholics vote 1 to 2 percentage points above their representation in the overall population. This is a significant voting bloc that now perceives Republicans as being more welcoming to people of faith.”
Catholics Beginning to Move Away from the Democratic Party
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the Pew Religion and Public Life Project reported late last month that Catholics are continuing to trend toward the Republican Party. Fifty-three percent of white Catholics now identify with or lean toward the Republican Party, while only 39 percent of them identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party. This is a significant shift from 2008, when Pew found that 41 percent of white, Catholic registered voters identified with or leaned toward the Republican Party, and in 2011, when 49 percent did.
a registered Democrat since 1969, he decided to switch his voting registration to the Republican Party: “I just said I can’t be associated structurally with that group, in terms of abortion and NARAL and Planned Parenthood, and the same-sex marriage agenda and the cultural destruction I saw going on. I just couldn’t do it anymore…. The a-ha moment for me was the 2012 Democratic National Convention…. It was just awful.”
In an attempt to shift the white Catholic vote back to the Democratic Party, progressive faith-based groups like Faithful America, Catholics for Choice, and Catholics United—flush with foundation money from abortion supporters at the Soros Foundation, and same-sex marriage advocates like the Gill Foundation and the Arcus Foundation—are now attempting to convince Catholics that the Democratic Party best represents their interests. Catholic San Francisco, the official newspaper of the Archdiocese of San Francisco, has reported that these philanthropists have funded the most recent attacks on San Francisco’s Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone. On June 19, when Archbishop Cordileone announced his plans to speak in favor of traditional marriage at the National Organization for Marriage’s march on the Supreme Court in Washington, DC, Faithful America—a 501c (3) organization funded by George Soros’ Open Society, Jon Stryker’s Arcus Foundation and the Gill Foundation—spearheaded a petition drive on Facebook and other social media decrying what they described as Archbishop Cordileone’s “lending the Church’s authority to the vitriol and hatred—and undermining Pope Francis’ call for a more compassionate Church.”
It is unlikely that spending money to attack Church leaders will help, as faithful Catholics understand that Catholic teachings on marriage cannot be changed through a marketing campaign. A Pew report released last month indicated that support for same-sex marriage has actually declined—dropping below 50 percent from a high of 54 percent last February.
It is more likely that pro-life issues are driving the departure from the Democratic Party. Millennial Catholics—those born after 1981—are more pro-life than their predecessors, and many of them are motivated to vote. Although these young Catholics are also more likely to support access to marriage for same-sex couples, their support for restrictions on abortion may trump the same-sex marriage issue.
A February 2012 study by the Pew Foundation revealed that among white Catholics under age 30, support for the GOP has increased from 41 percent in 2008 to 54 percent in 2011. White Evangelicals under age 30 are even more heavily Republican than those Evangelicals over 30 (82 percent vs. 69 percent). These young, faith-based voters are the future, and it would seem that many of them are coming to believe that a party that has elevated as its most important increasing access to abortion—including late-term abortion, and tax-payer funded abortion in the Affordable Care Act—does not represent their views.
as always when you post your idiotic opinion, it rarely reflects reality, but some twisted idea most likely caused by brain damage suffered during a late term abortion ...dare to be stupid, it's all you got...
Margaret Sanger-- out
