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Woodsrider wrote: When you say the "save the planet global warming crowd" are you referring to environmentalist or liberals in general? Either way maybe you're just not listening. There are efforts under way to clean up the garbage and stem the flow of new garbage right now. This is probably easier to do then curbing global warming because it is harder for people to deny garbage exists. What would be interesting to see is if an international organization, say the UN, formed an Ocean Clean Up Summit and every 1st world country chipped in billions of dollars to pay for the clean up, would you start denying the existence of the garbage or just say it's not our job to clean it up and we already do enough? Do you donate money to one or more of the numerous oceanic preservation organizations now? Most are crowd funded non-profits.
What would you have to say if that UN accord allowed all the signing nations to "do their best" to maybe reduce their garbage spewing by 2040, while the US was required to immediately start paying billions to clean it up?
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Nikoli wrote:This is from a river in South America. Lack of education and infrastructure are the root cause
If you're referring to the photo, it's not in South America. As far as I know, it was somewhere in Asia-Pacific area. Nevertheless, it's happening in South America too. There are actually islands of garbage being formed in the Pacific from all the pollution from China, India and other 3rd world hell holes. To make matters worse, thousands of tons of radioactive material and garbage from the tsunami nuclear accident in Japan were swept into the Pacific once the flood waters receded and have come to rest on the islands of garbage. Some of the garbage that doesn't get caught up in the islands of garbage have floated all the way to the U.S. west coast.

Yet, not a word from the "save the planet global warming crowd".
When you say the "save the planet global warming crowd" are you referring to environmentalist or liberals in general? Either way maybe you're just not listening. There are efforts under way to clean up the garbage and stem the flow of new garbage right now. This is probably easier to do then curbing global warming because it is harder for people to deny garbage exists. What would be interesting to see is if an international organization, say the UN, formed an Ocean Clean Up Summit and every 1st world country chipped in billions of dollars to pay for the clean up, would you start denying the existence of the garbage or just say it's not our job to clean it up and we already do enough? Do you donate money to one or more of the numerous oceanic preservation organizations now? Most are crowd funded non-profits.
It's fantastic that most of the effort to clean up the oceans are "crowd funded non-profits''. Why isn't the global warming crowd funded by non profits, instead of the hundreds of billions dollars being wasted on behalf of U.S. tax payers to elect democrats and enrich their pals in the global warming political complex?
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f.a.s.t. wrote:
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Nikoli wrote:This is from a river in South America. Lack of education and infrastructure are the root cause
If you're referring to the photo, it's not in South America. As far as I know, it was somewhere in Asia-Pacific area. Nevertheless, it's happening in South America too. There are actually islands of garbage being formed in the Pacific from all the pollution from China, India and other 3rd world hell holes. To make matters worse, thousands of tons of radioactive material and garbage from the tsunami nuclear accident in Japan were swept into the Pacific once the flood waters receded and have come to rest on the islands of garbage. Some of the garbage that doesn't get caught up in the islands of garbage have floated all the way to the U.S. west coast.

Yet, not a word from the "save the planet global warming crowd".
When you say the "save the planet global warming crowd" are you referring to environmentalist or liberals in general? Either way maybe you're just not listening. There are efforts under way to clean up the garbage and stem the flow of new garbage right now. This is probably easier to do then curbing global warming because it is harder for people to deny garbage exists. What would be interesting to see is if an international organization, say the UN, formed an Ocean Clean Up Summit and every 1st world country chipped in billions of dollars to pay for the clean up, would you start denying the existence of the garbage or just say it's not our job to clean it up and we already do enough? Do you donate money to one or more of the numerous oceanic preservation organizations now? Most are crowd funded non-profits.
It's fantastic that most of the effort to clean up the oceans are "crowd funded non-profits''. Why isn't the global warming crowd funded by non profits, instead of the hundreds of billions dollars being wasted on behalf of U.S. tax payers to elect democrats and enrich their pals in the global warming political complex?
If we could figure out how to throw CO2 in cans and recycle it for a profit, then it probably could be. To be equal, everyone would have to dump their plastic in the ocean like they do their wasted carbon in the air.
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Mister Moose wrote:
Woodsrider wrote: When you say the "save the planet global warming crowd" are you referring to environmentalist or liberals in general? Either way maybe you're just not listening. There are efforts under way to clean up the garbage and stem the flow of new garbage right now. This is probably easier to do then curbing global warming because it is harder for people to deny garbage exists. What would be interesting to see is if an international organization, say the UN, formed an Ocean Clean Up Summit and every 1st world country chipped in billions of dollars to pay for the clean up, would you start denying the existence of the garbage or just say it's not our job to clean it up and we already do enough? Do you donate money to one or more of the numerous oceanic preservation organizations now? Most are crowd funded non-profits.
What would you have to say if that UN accord allowed all the signing nations to "do their best" to maybe reduce their garbage spewing by 2040, while the US was required to immediately start paying billions to clean it up?
Are you saying that the UN Climate Accord requires the US alone to spend billions to remove CO2 from the atmosphere? I haven't heard this. Maybe I should read it again.
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Woodsrider wrote:
Mister Moose wrote:
Woodsrider wrote: When you say the "save the planet global warming crowd" are you referring to environmentalist or liberals in general? Either way maybe you're just not listening. There are efforts under way to clean up the garbage and stem the flow of new garbage right now. This is probably easier to do then curbing global warming because it is harder for people to deny garbage exists. What would be interesting to see is if an international organization, say the UN, formed an Ocean Clean Up Summit and every 1st world country chipped in billions of dollars to pay for the clean up, would you start denying the existence of the garbage or just say it's not our job to clean it up and we already do enough? Do you donate money to one or more of the numerous oceanic preservation organizations now? Most are crowd funded non-profits.
What would you have to say if that UN accord allowed all the signing nations to "do their best" to maybe reduce their garbage spewing by 2040, while the US was required to immediately start paying billions to clean it up?
Are you saying that the UN Climate Accord requires the US alone to spend billions to remove CO2 from the atmosphere? I haven't heard this. Maybe I should read it again.
The Obama administration pledged as much as $3 billion to less wealthy nations by 2020, with the U.S. giving $1 billion, the New York Times reported on Wednesday.
How much did India pledge by 2020? China?

Meanwhile, compare carbon reduction pledges for the 3 countries, and the lack of real commitment.
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Seems like the problem with the piles of floating garbage is mostly generated by POOR countries....actually. No surprise. If I was struggling to feed my family I might not care much about where my garbage went to.

Pretty sure European countries (& USA) were just as careless when they were mostly quite poor.

In any case seems like the best solution might be to help poor countries stop being poor. This seems to me a noble goal in many ways anyway and I think it is likely the best way to diminish this type of pollution....eventually at least?

How do we end poverty?? The key seems, IMO, to be development of cheap energy and an infrastructure for widespread distribution of that cheap power. AT this stage in our technology that likely means EXPANSION of use of hydrocarbons. Yet somehow for today's environmentalists this option is off the map...could cause CAGW!

So they are willing to let the poor stay poor and dream of the day when wind and solar actually work.
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https://science2017.globalchange.gov/do ... Report.pdf
The national climate assessment report #4, (written by actual experts, not the denialist crackpots of Kzone) has just been released. It affirms that climate change is driven almost entirely by human action, warns of potential sea level rise 1 to 4 feet (and possibly as much as 8 feet) by the year 2100, and enumerates myriad climate-related damages across the United States that are already occurring due to 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit of global warming since 1900.
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rogman wrote:https://science2017.globalchange.gov/do ... Report.pdf
The national climate assessment report #4, (written by actual experts, not the denialist crackpots of Kzone) has just been released. It affirms that climate change is driven almost entirely by human action, warns of potential sea level rise 1 to 4 feet (and possibly as much as 8 feet) by the year 2100, and enumerates myriad climate-related damages across the United States that are already occurring due to 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit of global warming since 1900.
Same old crap: activists masquerading as scientists releasing reports which justify the generous research funding they receive. Not long before the consensus collapses. Trump has not been around long enough to de-fund the activists and get academia to return to a path of objective science.

Fun video destroying this recent report.

Unambiguous Fraud In The National Climate Assessment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVdcWHxPhIg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Exposes the fraudulent claims in the report in a way that any intelligent human can understand.
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And so...just to add to the information compiled here.... The following graph shows the actual data of the HIGHEST QULALITY climate source we have yet produced. The USCRN. This product of NOAA (mostly acitivist warmist) was produced to try to eliminate the "homogenization issues" which plague the other ground-based data sets. I'll let NOAA describe it:

U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN)
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/data-access/l ... work-uscrn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The contiguous U.S. network of 114 stations was completed in 2008. There are two USCRN stations in Hawaii and deployment of a network of 29 stations in Alaska continues. The vision of the USCRN program is to maintain a sustainable high-quality climate observation network that 50 years from now can with the highest degree of confidence answer the question: How has the climate of the Nation changed over the past 50 years?

These stations were designed with climate science in mind.Three independent measurements of temperature and precipitation are made at each station, insuring continuity of record and maintenance of well-calibrated and highly accurate observations. The stations are placed in pristine environments expected to be free of development for many decades. Stations are monitored and maintained to high standards and are calibrated on an annual basis. In addition to temperature and precipitation, these stations also measure solar radiation, surface skin temperature, and surface winds. They also include triplicate measurements of soil moisture and soil temperature at five depths, as well as atmospheric relative humidity for most of the 114 contiguous U.S. stations. Stations in Alaska and Hawaii provide network experience and observations in polar and tropical regions. Deployment of a complete 29-station USCRN network in Alaska began in 2009. This project is managed by NOAA's National Climatic Data Center and operated in partnership with NOAA's Atmospheric Turbulence and Diffusion Division.


SO... what does the HIGHEST QUALITY DATA say about warming (I understand this is only for the USA and only for the short period it has existed)?????

Look for yourself:
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Is the USA ACTUALLY getting warmer???? NOAA's BEST dataset says....NO!!!
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Bubba wrote:Fighting climate change, burp by burp

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ate-change" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Livestock has directly caused about one-quarter of Earth’s warming in the industrial age, and scientists from the U.S. departments of agriculture and energy say bigger, more resource-heavy cattle are accelerating the problem.
Researchers have tried feeding them...leftover grains from beer brewing (which made cows poop more nitrous oxide, another greenhouse gas).
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How much global warming does Humpty cause?
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Bison may be better for the Land and environment than cattle.

This is an interesting video by Patagonia:
https://youtu.be/3Ezkp7Cteys[/youtube]
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