For all you folks opposed to TARP

[Bubba]

To be fair, our 401ks aren't growing again. Really, they're just getting started from where they were near the end of GWB's second term. I don't fault either of them for the economic mess - although Obama's promises about unemployment rates if the stimulus passed were somewhat empty.

Can you cite your references where Obama made these promises?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 618AAxRRAD

Apparently his team members said it, not Obama personally.

[Coydog]

To be fair, our 401ks aren't growing again. Really, they're just getting started from where they were near the end of GWB's second term. I don't fault either of them for the economic mess - although Obama's promises about unemployment rates if the stimulus passed were somewhat empty.

Can you cite your references where Obama made these promises?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 618AAxRRAD

Apparently his team members said it, not Obama personally.

No, apparently only the Republicans said it, in particular Eric Cantor:

"Three years ago, President Obama’s first action in office was to push through a massive $825 billion stimulus package based on the promise of keeping unemployment under 8 percent."

The whole thing is yet another Republican, um, misrepresentation who predictably never let the facts get in the way. Obama never promised 8% unemployment and never used the 8% figure. In fact, he only cited the jobs created figure of the preliminary report. And if anyone bothered to actually read the report where projections are made The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan. (PDF), rather than parrot fabricated GOP taking points, you would have seen the following:

A key goal enunciated by the President-Elect concerning the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is that it should save or create at least 3 million jobs by the end of 2010. For this reason, we have undertaken a preliminary analysis of the jobs effects of some of the prototypical recovery packages being discussed. Our analysis will surely evolve as we and other economists work further on this topic. The results will also change as the actual package parameters are determined in cooperation with the Congress. Nevertheless, this report suggests a methodology for ensuring that the package contains enough stimulus that we can have confidence that it will create sufficient jobs to meet the President-Elect’s goals.

In terms of the jobs created: PolitiFact

The report’s projection that the stimulus would save between 3 million and 4 million jobs also appears now to be optimistic. The president’s Council of Economic Advisers, in an analysis released in December, estimated that between 2.2 million and 4.2 million jobs were created or saved by the stimulus through the second quarter of 2011.

The council’s report cited independent studies by the Congressional Budget Office and three private economic analysis companies. Here’s what the groups found:

• CBO: Between 500,000 and 2.9 million jobs saved or created.

• IHS/Global Insight: 2.4 million jobs saved or created.

• Macroeconomic Advisers: 2.6 million jobs saved or created.

• Moody’s Economy.com: 2.1 million jobs saved or created.

So if it makes anyone feel better, I suppose they can bitch the preliminary report suggested that between 3M and 4M jobs would be saved or created, but so far the stimulus saved or created between 2M and 3M jobs.

[Coydog]

Coydog: you are truly a half thought out brain dead liberal but please keep posting as its always fun to have an easy target for practice.

Reminds me of the other day at the farmers market. A guy was selling jars of brains laid out on a table. The first jar was marked "Liberal Brains" and only cost $1/pound. The second jar was marked "Independent Brains" and cost $10/pound. But the third jar, "Conservative Brains" cost $1000/pound. When I asked the farmer why the Conservative Brains were so much more costly, he incredulously replied "do you know how many conservatives you have to find before you get even a single brain?"

[madhatter]

and now you libs are reduced to parsing words and imaginary unquantifiable successes. welcome back carter. this is funny. BTW where the f@ck is jersey douche? Did he off himself before he cold be unceremoniously kicked to the curb? Either way good riddance. it's a bit quiet around here w/o him and coydog's desperate lunatic liberal ideological rantings are no where near as entertaining as JD's were, but the crying over the looming smackdown is almost enough to compensate. obama supporters clinging to failure. hahahahaha enjoy I know I am.

[Coydog]

and now you libs are reduced to parsing words and imaginary unquantifiable successes. welcome back carter. this is funny. BTW where the f@ck is jersey douche? Did he off himself before he cold be unceremoniously kicked to the curb? Either way good riddance. it's a bit quiet around here w/o him and coydog's desperate lunatic liberal ideological rantings are no where near as entertaining as JD's were, but the crying over the looming smackdown is almost enough to compensate. obama supporters clinging to failure. hahahahaha enjoy I know I am.

And you seem to have been reduced to posting imaginary graphs with silly numbers. Job growth under Obama is not yet as strong as it needs to be for full recovery, but it is growth as opposed to the severe losses generated at the end of W's term and Obama's median monthly job creation exceeds W's. Compare that to job growth in Massachusetts under Romney, in much better economic times to boot.

Nobody trusts Romney, not even his own party. The only way he makes it into office is if the economy completely falls off the cliff and I know that's what many conservatives are secretly hoping for. Anything short of an economic meltdown and Romney will fail again. If the GOP had nominated a sensible candidate (rumored to be extinct), they might have had a better shot. But once again, the GOP follows their well worn path of get in line and nominate the next rich white guy who's in line. Unfortunately for them, they nominated a guy who never met a political position he didn't take.

[Coydog]

and now you libs are reduced to parsing words and imaginary unquantifiable successes.

Eric Cantor flat out lies about what the President stated, conservatives across the country take it as gospel and apparently some then refer to calling Cantor out as "parsing words". Kinda like John Kyl claiming that abortion is "well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does" then having his office walk it back with this triumph of absurdity:

"His remark was not intended to be a factual statement, but rather to illustrate that Planned Parenthood, a organization that receives millions of dollars in taxpayer funding, does subsidize abortions."

[madhatter]

and now you libs are reduced to parsing words and imaginary unquantifiable successes. welcome back carter. this is funny. BTW where the f@ck is jersey douche? Did he off himself before he cold be unceremoniously kicked to the curb? Either way good riddance. it's a bit quiet around here w/o him and coydog's desperate lunatic liberal ideological rantings are no where near as entertaining as JD's were, but the crying over the looming smackdown is almost enough to compensate. obama supporters clinging to failure. hahahahaha enjoy I know I am.

And you seem to have been reduced to posting imaginary graphs source= BLS survey so I agree w you there bullsh!t numbers for surewith silly numbers. Job growth under Obama is not yet as strong as it needs to be for full recovery, but it is growth as opposed to the severe losses generated at the end of W's term = pelosi and reid. once them two got in it went downhill, once it was apparent hopey was going to win in 08 TANK. there's your "generators" of severe losses. interestingly there was a nearly 500pt DOW bounce after the walker win. bye bye public sector leaching scabby unions. bye bye democrat money stream and bye bye hopey good riddance to alland Obama's median monthly job creation exceeds W's. obama's jobs created during the solar eclipse were far greater than the number of jobs bush created during a solar eclipse, or some other asinine crap you imagine accurately portrays something you wish was true. sorry but hopey is a complete failure and an embarrassment to the country much like carterCompare that to job growth in Massachusetts under Romney, in much better economic times to boot.

Nobody trusts Romney, not even his own party.and the lying sack of sh!t we have in office now is the epitome of trust ability? willful ignorance won;t get ya much The only way he makes it into office is if the economy completely falls off the cliff and I know that's what many conservatives are secretly hoping for.more lib stupidity anyone with a vested interest in the economy is NOT hoping for failure ( read financial losses) doesn't even make a good talking point as only useful idiots believe it and they already vote dum, uh dem Anything short of an economic meltdown and Romney will fail again. care to wager on that? as in you go the way of the jersey douche if obama is one and done? while you're not nearly as offensive as jersey douche ( you can actually be likable at times, and you do occasionally make salient points when not blowing the liberal horn er uh kazoo)I know you'll enjoy the sting of the clown going down and losing to the madhatter as well, If the GOP had nominated a sensible candidate (rumored to be extinct),Who the hell would even want the job? they might have had a better shot. But once again, the GOP follows their well worn path of get in line and nominate the next rich white guy who's in line. Unfortunately for them, they nominated a guy who never met a political position he didn't take.

upcoming=debt ceiling reached, obamacare supreme court decision, euro-implosion, holder scandal and on and on and on. yep Romney is running on a wing and a prayer vs hopey's solid footing. Wanna buy some investment property in the arctic circle? I hear its an up and coming liberal ski destination.

[Coydog]

BTW where the f@ck is jersey douche? Did he off himself before he cold be unceremoniously kicked to the curb? Either way good riddance. it's a bit quiet around here w/o him and coydog's desperate lunatic liberal ideological rantings are no where near as entertaining as JD's were, but the crying over the looming smackdown is almost enough to compensate. obama supporters clinging to failure. hahahahaha enjoy I know I am.

You really seem to miss JG, perhaps a little too much.

Anything short of an economic meltdown and Romney will fail again. care to wager on that?

Sure, a case of Long Trail says if the unemployment rate dips and stays below 8% by November, Romney loses. He probably loses anyway, but that would make it a certainty.

[madhatter]

BTW where the f@ck is jersey douche? Did he off himself before he cold be unceremoniously kicked to the curb? Either way good riddance. it's a bit quiet around here w/o him and coydog's desperate lunatic liberal ideological rantings are no where near as entertaining as JD's were, but the crying over the looming smackdown is almost enough to compensate. obama supporters clinging to failure. hahahahaha enjoy I know I am.

You really seem to miss JG, perhaps a little too much.my one and only mention of his quite extended absence? I suppose even that is too much but that's not what you were implying, please be sure when you attribute something to me that it applies. Is it some sort of K-zone affliction or do you guys just grasp at straws and make sh!t up when ya got nuttin? ( here's a little hint if you imbed 100 quotes within each other, I won't reply and you can claim your hollow victory there)

Anything short of an economic meltdown and Romney will fail again. care to wager on that?

Sure, a case of Long Trail says if the unemployment rate dips and stays below 8% by November, Romney loses. He probably loses anyway, but that would make it a certainty.

no qualifiers, hopey wins, you win otherwise you lose. BTW it hasn't been under 8 since the clown came to town, or shortly thereafter, even with the "silly" numbers from the BLS.

[Coydog]

Sure, a case of Long Trail says if the unemployment rate dips and stays below 8% by November, Romney loses. He probably loses anyway, but that would make it a certainty.

no qualifiers, hopey wins, you win otherwise you lose. BTW it hasn't been under 8 since the clown came to town, or shortly thereafter, even with the "silly" numbers from the BLS.

1) Please post the actual BLS numbers claimed as the source for your dandy little chart.

2) If Obama wins, of course I win. My wager assertion was Obama will certainly win if unemployment goes below 8% because Romney only sings a one note song - and not particularly in tune. You seem quite sure unemployment won't decrease yet you are reluctant to take the bet. Could Obama lose? Sure, as I said most likely only in the case of an economic meltdown would people overlook the absolute disconnected, flip-flopping absurdity of Romney and vote for the same old tired Republican tripe that largely put us in this mess. Our economy is getting stronger, but the recovery is still fragile and unfortunately a nosedive is not out of the question.

But maybe you're right - given what you see as Obama's poor record and state of the world economy, how could the guy possibly win? But on the off chance that he does, what sort of message would that send to today's GOP?

[madhatter]

Sure, a case of Long Trail says if the unemployment rate dips and stays below 8% by November, Romney loses. He probably loses anyway, but that would make it a certainty.

no qualifiers, hopey wins, you win otherwise you lose. BTW it hasn't been under 8 since the clown came to town, or shortly thereafter, even with the "silly" numbers from the BLS.

1) Please post the actual BLS numbers claimed as the source for your dandy little chart.

2) If Obama wins, of course I win. My wager assertion was Obama will certainly win if unemployment goes below 8% because Romney only sings a one note song - and not particularly in tune. You seem quite sure unemployment won't decrease yet you are reluctant to take the bet. Could Obama lose? Sure, as I said most likely only in the case of an economic meltdown would people overlook the absolute disconnected, flip-flopping absurdity of Romney and vote for the same old tired Republican tripe that largely put us in this mess. Our economy is getting stronger, but the recovery is still fragile and unfortunately a nosedive is not out of the question.

But maybe you're right - given what you see as Obama's poor record and state of the world economy, how could the guy possibly win? But on the off chance that he does, what sort of message would that send to today's GOP?

you REALLY think under 8% is gong to happen?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/initial-c ... ember-2008

honestly nothing legit can save obama now but that doesn;t mean there won;t be some sort of false flag attack, manufactured crisis or some other bizzare october surprise to turn things back to the clown. Will the imaginary numbers go below 8%? doubt that or they already would have. I'll remind you again the mess started to get ugly with the inception of pelosi and reid. W was no conservative by any stretch but things careened out of control once the above mentioned got in. let's face it by and large they are good cop, bad cop. The difference is liberals will give their man a pass on ANYTHING whereas the right wing guy gets grilled on the mere pronunciation of a word. makes it a lot harder for the R to push through crap like clowncare. Can't hope for much more than that.



a look at what some pundits think of obama and his imaginary economy:

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/06/7723-pi ... e-economy/

[madhatter]