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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Don't expect citizens of Ferguson, who rallied around the perpetrator and destroyed their town, to apologize. Also, don't look for Holder or Obama to issue statements condemning their own rush to judgment.

This snippet from the article was surprising:
According to the Washington Post, “a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses” have provided testimony to the grand jury that supports Wilson’s version of events. Brown’s blood was found on the gun, on Wilson’s uniform and spattered on an inside door panel of the car, according to the New York Times. Other witnesses have provided divergent accounts of the incident, alleging that Brown was shot with his hands in the air or while fleeing. Protesters pictured with their hands-up became one of the iconic images of the unrest that wracked Ferguson in the weeks after Brown’s death.
http://time.com/3534140/ferguson-michae ... stigation/
Yeah, his hands were in the air because when he grabbed the gun it went off and put a bullet through his hand. Thus the blood and him backing off and then attacking the officer again.
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Dr. NO wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Don't expect citizens of Ferguson, who rallied around the perpetrator and destroyed their town, to apologize. Also, don't look for Holder or Obama to issue statements condemning their own rush to judgment.

This snippet from the article was surprising:
According to the Washington Post, “a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses” have provided testimony to the grand jury that supports Wilson’s version of events. Brown’s blood was found on the gun, on Wilson’s uniform and spattered on an inside door panel of the car, according to the New York Times. Other witnesses have provided divergent accounts of the incident, alleging that Brown was shot with his hands in the air or while fleeing. Protesters pictured with their hands-up became one of the iconic images of the unrest that wracked Ferguson in the weeks after Brown’s death.
http://time.com/3534140/ferguson-michae ... stigation/
Yeah, his hands were in the air because when he grabbed the gun it went off and put a bullet through his hand. Thus the blood and him backing off and then attacking the officer again.
How about they wrestled in the car and he got shot, then left the car and got shot at least several steps away as he turned around to surrender?
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Bubba wrote:
Dr. NO wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Don't expect citizens of Ferguson, who rallied around the perpetrator and destroyed their town, to apologize. Also, don't look for Holder or Obama to issue statements condemning their own rush to judgment.

This snippet from the article was surprising:
According to the Washington Post, “a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses” have provided testimony to the grand jury that supports Wilson’s version of events. Brown’s blood was found on the gun, on Wilson’s uniform and spattered on an inside door panel of the car, according to the New York Times. Other witnesses have provided divergent accounts of the incident, alleging that Brown was shot with his hands in the air or while fleeing. Protesters pictured with their hands-up became one of the iconic images of the unrest that wracked Ferguson in the weeks after Brown’s death.
http://time.com/3534140/ferguson-michae ... stigation/
Yeah, his hands were in the air because when he grabbed the gun it went off and put a bullet through his hand. Thus the blood and him backing off and then attacking the officer again.
How about they wrestled in the car and he got shot, then left the car and got shot at least several steps away as he turned around to surrender?
Ever notice that when some people shoot, even cops, they empty the gun. Adrenalin, fear or whatever, he felt he was in danger and shot, emptying the gun. Also, after the encounter in the squad car, Brown was several feet away, turned and began walking back at the officer. I would shoot the sob, again and again and again.
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Dr. NO wrote:
Bubba wrote:
Dr. NO wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Don't expect citizens of Ferguson, who rallied around the perpetrator and destroyed their town, to apologize. Also, don't look for Holder or Obama to issue statements condemning their own rush to judgment.

This snippet from the article was surprising:
According to the Washington Post, “a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses” have provided testimony to the grand jury that supports Wilson’s version of events. Brown’s blood was found on the gun, on Wilson’s uniform and spattered on an inside door panel of the car, according to the New York Times. Other witnesses have provided divergent accounts of the incident, alleging that Brown was shot with his hands in the air or while fleeing. Protesters pictured with their hands-up became one of the iconic images of the unrest that wracked Ferguson in the weeks after Brown’s death.
http://time.com/3534140/ferguson-michae ... stigation/
Yeah, his hands were in the air because when he grabbed the gun it went off and put a bullet through his hand. Thus the blood and him backing off and then attacking the officer again.
How about they wrestled in the car and he got shot, then left the car and got shot at least several steps away as he turned around to surrender?
Ever notice that when some people shoot, even cops, they empty the gun. Adrenalin, fear or whatever, he felt he was in danger and shot, emptying the gun. Also, after the encounter in the squad car, Brown was several feet away, turned and began walking back at the officer. I would shoot the sob, again and again and again.
Ever notice that when some people don't know all the actual facts, they read whatever their biases are into their interpretation of the snippets they do hear?
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WTF is with the 5 imbedded posts limit?

"Ever notice that when some people don't know all the actual facts, they read whatever their biases are into their interpretation of the snippets they do hear?"

Guilty as charged at times. BUT, seems there are coop berating (is that really two words?) witnesses who support the officer who damn near lost his eye. Of course those who continue to say he was surrendering will still riot and destroy St. Louis and probably other towns and cities within our country.
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There has been very little reporting of Brown's mother rounding up some friends and relatives to stop his grandmother from selling "justice for Michael Brown" t-shirts. The grandmother was selling the t-shirts in a parking lot and the mother shows up and says "you can't sell this sh!t". Then her 20 person posse stole the t-shirts plus $400 in cash. One guy was beaten with a pipe and another had to go to the hospital. Interesting to note the grandmother was raising Michael?? The mother couldn't have cared too much for him if she didn't raise him. The police are investigating. The press did cover her going to the U.N. to babble her nonsense.
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freeski wrote:There has been very little reporting of Brown's mother rounding up some friends and relatives to stop his grandmother from selling "justice for Michael Brown" t-shirts. The grandmother was selling the t-shirts in a parking lot and the mother shows up and says "you can't sell this sh!t". Then her 20 person posse stole the t-shirts plus $400 in cash. One guy was beaten with a pipe and another had to go to the hospital. Interesting to note the grandmother was raising Michael?? The mother couldn't have cared too much for him if she didn't raise him. The police are investigating. The press did cover her going to the U.N. to babble her nonsense.
Hands up, don't loot? What garbage. I'm sure a white man somewhere is to blame for this incident. Everyone's trying to make a buck off this poor kids death.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
freeski wrote:There has been very little reporting of Brown's mother rounding up some friends and relatives to stop his grandmother from selling "justice for Michael Brown" t-shirts. The grandmother was selling the t-shirts in a parking lot and the mother shows up and says "you can't sell this sh!t". Then her 20 person posse stole the t-shirts plus $400 in cash. One guy was beaten with a pipe and another had to go to the hospital. Interesting to note the grandmother was raising Michael?? The mother couldn't have cared too much for him if she didn't raise him. The police are investigating. The press did cover her going to the U.N. to babble her nonsense.
Hands up, don't loot? What garbage. I'm sure a white man somewhere is to blame for this incident. Everyone's trying to make a buck off this poor kids death.
Poor "kid's" death? The kid was a thug with a record. He was probably taught by his mama who was arrested for aggravated assault and robbery. How she is walking around meeting with the UN and World Court is beyond comprehension.
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Dr. NO wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
freeski wrote:There has been very little reporting of Brown's mother rounding up some friends and relatives to stop his grandmother from selling "justice for Michael Brown" t-shirts. The grandmother was selling the t-shirts in a parking lot and the mother shows up and says "you can't sell this sh!t". Then her 20 person posse stole the t-shirts plus $400 in cash. One guy was beaten with a pipe and another had to go to the hospital. Interesting to note the grandmother was raising Michael?? The mother couldn't have cared too much for him if she didn't raise him. The police are investigating. The press did cover her going to the U.N. to babble her nonsense.
Hands up, don't loot? What garbage. I'm sure a white man somewhere is to blame for this incident. Everyone's trying to make a buck off this poor kids death.
Poor "kid's" death? The kid was a thug with a record. He was probably taught by his mama who was arrested for aggravated assault and robbery. How she is walking around meeting with the UN and World Court is beyond comprehension.
Just because someone is a thug doesn't mean they deserve to die. It's still someone's child. Someone still raised him. Someone misses him today. Even though the officer likely won't be charged, I'm sure he'll spend a lot of time thinking about ways he could have handled things differently.
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So many, seemingly educated, people coming out today that this officer should have been indicted despite eye-witness testimony contradicting the false media narrative. Shame for Officer Wilson and shame Browns family will not get closure as a result (not to mention the town being burnt to the ground).
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I agreed with no indictment, but very sad situation last night in Ferguson. Hard to believe the police could not protect the property of the business owners. The police seemed hesitant to let the officers go out and stop the looting. This is probably due to the gun fire. They should have had 5 or 6 National Guardsman in front of each store. With all of the time they had to prepare they should not have lost control of the neighborhood they knew would be targeted. At least there were no deaths.
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From Juan Williams @ FOX. Emphasis mine.
Ferguson grand jury decision: Brown's death should be call to action not violence

By Juan Williams
Published November 25, 2014
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Where is the black leadership now that a grand jury has decided not to indict the police officer that killed Michael Brown?

Where is Al Sharpton? He advertises himself as a spokesman for the best interests of black America. But he is absent.

Where is Jesse Jackson, another popular media personality who says he speaks for black America? He’s missing in action, too.

It breaks my heart to see televised images of violence from Ferguson, Missouri juxtaposed next to President Obama, the first black president. The president represents black power beyond anyone’s imagination just a few years ago.

President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have been meeting with younger civil rights activists who are on the front-line in Missouri. The young activists are taking the lead in the churches, the schools, the community meetings in Ferguson. Those young people have led difficult conversations about the importance of moving past anger at the lack of any sanction against the policeman for shooting an unarmed young man.

Incredibly, the best leadership on the scene has come from the family of the murdered teen.

Michael Brown’s family issued a statement right after the prosecutor announced that the grand jury was not going to indict the officer. They said they are “profoundly disappointed that the killer of our child will not face the consequence of his actions.”

They then spoke about the need for “positive change…[the] need to work together to fix the system that allowed this to happen.” They specifically called for requiring the police to wear body cameras and then they added “please keep your protests peaceful.”

“Answering violence with violence is not the appropriate reaction – Let’s not just make noise, let’s make a difference,” their statement read.

As the black father of two boys and a grandson I can only imagine the pain being felt by young Michael Brown’s parents. If anyone could be forgiven for lashing out, crying out in rage it would be Michael Brown, Sr.

Instead President Obama read Mr. Brown’s words calling for people to avoid violence: “Hurting and destroying others is not the answer,” Mr. Brown said a week ago, setting the stage for a constructive response no matter what the grand jury decided.

President Obama added another quote from Mr. Brown: “I do not want my son’s death to be in vain. I want it to lead to incredible change, positive change, change that makes the St. Louis region better for everyone.”

That “positive change,” is not advanced by riots.

It breaks my heart to see televised images of violence from Ferguson, Missouri juxtaposed next to President Obama, the first black president.

The president represents black power beyond anyone’s imagination just a few years ago. He inspires young black people to dream of fulfilling their dreams. Here is a black man with a seat at the head of the American table of leadership and that means the world’s leadership.

But he is now weighed down by the troubled history of American race relations and the failure of established black civil rights and political leadership. So President Obama had to step into vacuum of national civil rights leadership and appeal for peace on the streets all the way from the White House.

Street violence, riots, only plays into the hands of racial provocateurs who are too weak to engage in the constant, on-going struggle for equal rights and protections for black people. Those self-promoters are never around to clean up after a riot destroys a black neighborhood and tears at the trust between good people of all races.

Some television stations, too, have practically called for riots. They are so self-serving that some have identified them as fans of “Riot Porn.” They want the cheap thrills that come with stereotyping black people as violent and the high ratings that come with racial tensions. Their anchors want to be seen in the middle of the fray.

But as the “Last Poets,” a 60s group of black musicians once said: “The revolution will not be televised.” The riots of the 1960s and the 1990s riots that followed the Rodney King verdict are proof that riots don’t advance justice for black people.

I wrote a history of the civil rights movement – “Eyes on the Prize- America’s Civil Rights Years 1954-1965” and one clear lesson I learned from my research remains to me to this day. The people with the most guns and bombs did not win the civil rights struggle.

Leaders, including Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., won with the thunderous power of non-violence. They appealed to Christian conscience. They shared their humanity and a shared patriotism, a belief in the Founding Fathers’ promise that “All men are created equal.”

The people who engineered the greatest social movement in American history engaged the political process. They talked, they pressured, they protested. They used incredible speeches, music and art to change hearts and open minds.

Attorney General Holder offered the same conclusion last week. “History has… shown us that the most successful and enduring movements for change are those that adhere to non-aggression and non-violence,” Holder said in a video given to young people active in trying to create change and avoid violence in Missouri.

Real change comes but it comes from people who work, who stand up, work some more, and work toward a vision of justice that inspires others to work with them.

Young Michael Brown’s death is a call to action – not violence.

Juan Williams is a co-host of FNC's "The Five," where he is one of seven rotating Fox personalities. Additionally, he serves as FNC's political analyst, a regular panelist on "Fox News Sunday" and "Special Report with Bret Baier" and is a regular substitute host for "The O'Reilly Factor." He joined Fox News Channel (FNC) in 1997 as a contributor. Click here for more information on Juan Williams.
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burn your neighborhoods to the ground idiots... no one cares... someone needs to whack al sharpton upside the head too...brown got exactly what he was asking for, good riddance...live by the sword die by the sword...the $hit I saw on TV last nite is despicable, these aren't protesters any more than brown was an unarmed gentle giant who wouldn;t hurt no one...

I do agree w crump's idea of body cams on the cops, its going to be the cops best friend nine times outta ten....
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this is a CULTURAL problem not a racial problem...
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