Obama's America

[SnoBrdr]

The way he's been handing out the MoH since he got in, they could also get that.

As compared to what? Are you suggesting he's giving out the MoH to unworthy recipients?

Exactly.

Not so much the current service members but the ones that go back over 100 years.

Obviously he awarded those for social reasons.

Only one example, but this gentleman seemed appropriate for the MoH given his personal acts of valor above and beyond the call of duty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lincoln_Johnson

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

"President Obama awarded the Medal of Honor to 24 veterans Tuesday, most of whom were initially passed over because they were Hispanic, Jewish or African American."

Kinda hard to prove when almost everybody involved is dead.

[Coydog]

The way he's been handing out the MoH since he got in, they could also get that.

As compared to what? Are you suggesting he's giving out the MoH to unworthy recipients?

Exactly.

Not so much the current service members but the ones that go back over 100 years.

Obviously he awarded those for social reasons.

Every MOH recommendation must come from the chain of command or Congress. The president ultimately approves or rejects the recommendation, but by the time it rises to that level, the recommendation has been approved by the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the Army/Navy/Air Force, Chief of Staff, and every chain of command in the particular branch of service on down.

So yes, because the president must make the final approval, he/she ultimately determines who receives the MOH, but the president does not and cannot "hand them out" like coupons at a Walmart for social reasons or any other reason.

IMHO, anyone who received a MOH obviously deserved it – that and more.

[Bubba]

The way he's been handing out the MoH since he got in, they could also get that.

As compared to what? Are you suggesting he's giving out the MoH to unworthy recipients?

Exactly.

Not so much the current service members but the ones that go back over 100 years.

Obviously he awarded those for social reasons.

Only one example, but this gentleman seemed appropriate for the MoH given his personal acts of valor above and beyond the call of duty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lincoln_Johnson

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

"President Obama awarded the Medal of Honor to 24 veterans Tuesday, most of whom were initially passed over because they were Hispanic, Jewish or African American."

Kinda hard to prove when almost everybody involved is dead.

I believe they had all been nominated for the award or already awarded the DSC in lieu of the MoH so the facts are in the records. According to Wikipedia:

"As a result of a Congressionally mandated review to ensure brave acts were not overlooked due to prejudice or discrimination, on March 18, 2014 President Obama upgraded Distinguished Service Crosses to Medals of Honor for 24 individuals—the "Valor 24"—for their actions in World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. Of the 24 Hispanic, Jewish, and African American recipients, three were still living at the time of the ceremony."

[SnoBrdr]

The way he's been handing out the MoH since he got in, they could also get that.

As compared to what? Are you suggesting he's giving out the MoH to unworthy recipients?

Exactly.

Not so much the current service members but the ones that go back over 100 years.

Obviously he awarded those for social reasons.

Every MOH recommendation must come from the chain of command or Congress. The president ultimately approves or rejects the recommendation, but by the time it rises to that level, the recommendation has been approved by the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the Army/Navy/Air Force, Chief of Staff, and every chain of command in the particular branch of service on down.

So yes, because the president must make the final approval, he/she ultimately determines who receives the MOH, but the president does not and cannot "hand them out" like coupons at a Walmart for social reasons or any other reason.

IMHO, anyone who received a MOH obviously deserved it – that and more.

There is no way to prove that they were passed over because of who they were.

I tend to doubt that it was noted in their record that they were not given the MoH because they were Black, Hispanic or Jewish.

BTW, Copngress has NOTHING to do with awarding of the medal.

"The award is not called the Congressional Medal of Honor. Contrary to popular belief, the official title of the highest U.S. military distinction is simply the Medal of Honor, not the Congressional Medal of Honor.

The confusion may have arisen because the president presents the award “in the name of Congress.”

There is also a Congressional Medal of Honor Society, which represents recipients of the Medal of Honor, maintains their records and organizes reunion events, among other responsibilities."

[SnoBrdr]

This had previously been done twice before without "finding" the "Valor 24".

"Past discrimination

A 1993 study commissioned by the U.S. Army investigated "racial disparity" in the awarding of medals.[161] At the time, no Medals of Honor had been awarded to American soldiers of African descent who served in World War II. After an exhaustive review of files, the study recommended that ten of their Distinguished Service Cross recipients be awarded the Medal of Honor. On January 13, 1997, President Bill Clinton presented the Medal of Honor to seven of these World War II veterans, six of them posthumously. The last, former U.S. Army Infantry Officer Vernon Baker, died on July 13, 2010.[162]

In 1998, a similar study of Asian Americans resulted in President Bill Clinton presenting 22 Medals of Honor in 2000.[163] Twenty of these medals went to American soldiers of Japanese descent of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team (442nd RCT) that served in the European Theater of Operations during World War II.[163][164] One of these Medal of Honor recipients was Senator Daniel Inouye, a former U.S. Army Infantry officer in the 442nd RCT.[162]

In 2005, President George W. Bush presented the Medal of Honor to Tibor Rubin, a Hungarian-born American Jew who was a Holocaust survivor of World War II and enlisted U.S. Infantryman and prisoner of war (POW) of the Korean War whom many believed to have been overlooked because of his religion.[165]"

[Coydog]

BTW, Copngress has NOTHING to do with awarding of the medal.

US ARMY Medal of Honor

Receiving the Medal of Honor is the highest honor bestowed by the American Military and personally presented by the President of the United States. Because of the need for accuracy the recommendation process can take in excess of 18 months with intense scrutiny every step of the way. The following charts demonstrate this process.

The following organizations and individuals play key roles in the Army Medal of Honor recommendation process:

CHAIN OF COMMAND

Submits award recommendation that meets the two year submission time limit to Department of the Army Human Resources Command

MEMBER OF CONGRESS

Submits award recommendation that is outside the two year limit for submission to Department of the Army Human Resources Command or the Secretary of the Army who forwards request to Human Resources Command.
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[SnoBrdr]

BTW, Copngress has NOTHING to do with awarding of the medal.

US ARMY Medal of Honor

Receiving the Medal of Honor is the highest honor bestowed by the American Military and personally presented by the President of the United States. Because of the need for accuracy the recommendation process can take in excess of 18 months with intense scrutiny every step of the way. The following charts demonstrate this process.

The following organizations and individuals play key roles in the Army Medal of Honor recommendation process:

CHAIN OF COMMAND

Submits award recommendation that meets the two year submission time limit to Department of the Army Human Resources Command

MEMBER OF CONGRESS

Submits award recommendation that is outside the two year limit for submission to Department of the Army Human Resources Command or the Secretary of the Army who forwards request to Human Resources Command.
...

[SnoBrdr]

BTW, Copngress has NOTHING to do with awarding of the medal.

US ARMY Medal of Honor

Receiving the Medal of Honor is the highest honor bestowed by the American Military and personally presented by the President of the United States. Because of the need for accuracy the recommendation process can take in excess of 18 months with intense scrutiny every step of the way. The following charts demonstrate this process.

The following organizations and individuals play key roles in the Army Medal of Honor recommendation process:

CHAIN OF COMMAND

Submits award recommendation that meets the two year submission time limit to Department of the Army Human Resources Command

MEMBER OF CONGRESS

Submits award recommendation that is outside the two year limit for submission to Department of the Army Human Resources Command or the Secretary of the Army who forwards request to Human Resources Command.
...

Pointless convo, you obviously win.

Just like Obama's award of the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Coydog]

Pointless convo, you obviously win.

I think we all won because of the actions of these soldiers and those like them.

[madhatter]

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[steamboat1]

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[deadheadskier]

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You know, for a guy who claims he isn't racist, you sure have no problem throwing the word nigger around and making negative stereotypes against black people like you're doing above here.

Never mind that it's the most pointless meme I've ever seen.

So are you suggesting every time a white person kills a black person, riots follow?

Are you suggesting white's are more civilized than blacks and don't riot at all?

What exactly is your point?

[madhatter]

Black Lives Matter Activists Chant ‘Pigs in a Blanket’ After Cop Murder

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... op-murder/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Black Lives Matter activists tried to disrupt the Minnesota State Fair on Saturday and marched down the street, shouting a chant that called for the deaths of police officers: “Pigs in a blanket, fry ‘em like bacon!”

The chant is part of a pattern of Black Lives Matter taunting police after the deaths of police officers. As the Daily Mail reported at the time, the chant was used by Ferguson protestors following the excecution of two police officers by a killer who used the exact phrase “pigs in a blanket”:

Shocking video taken at a protest in St. Louis shows several demonstrators taunting police just hours after two NYPD officers were killed in an apparent “retribution” killing following the Michael Brown and Eric Garner grand jury decisions.

Bassem Masri has made headlines before for his protest tactics and Saturday he appeared to stay true to form in a video in which he chants at police, “Pigs in a blanket smell like bacon.”

Hours before, Ismaaiyl Brinsley shot and killed NYPD officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos after posting he’d soon be “putting pigs in a blanket.”

As Breitbart News has reported, the Black Lives Matter movement pays homage to cop killer Assata Shakur at every event.

[steamboat1]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/news/il ... =obnetwork

Illinois lottery winners are in limbo

Lottery winners' payouts on hold
Congratulations, you won $25,000 in the Illinois lottery! Sorry, you'll have to settle for an IOU for now.
Winners of the Illinois lottery are being forced to wait for their money, because state lawmakers haven't passed a budget and so lottery officials don't have legal authority to do payouts.

Jackpots of at least $25,000 have been put off for the foreseeable future, according to lottery spokesman Stephen Rossi.
Illinois is grappling with a serious fiscal crunch.
"Due to the ongoing budget situation in Springfield, some lottery winner payments have been delayed," he said. "All winners will be paid in full as soon as the lottery and the Illinois comptroller have the legislative authority to do so."

He said that anyone with a prize of $600 or less can cash it in at a retailer. Prizes ranging from $601 to $25,000 can be redeemed at lottery claims centers.
The holdup has been ongoing since the current fiscal year started on July 1. The Illinois lottery on its web site highlights 29 prizes that have occurred since then, ranging from $50,000 to a $262 million Mega Millions jackpot split by two winners. That jackpot happens to be the second largest prize in the history of the Illinois lottery.

[steamboat1]

While I'm on the topic of Obama's home state here's another zinger.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html