Why Obama's strategy in Iraq/Syria is going to work.

[Bubba]

The following article from The Economist gives some detail on Islamic teaching on Jihad (among other things) but the key take away from this article is really that a move away from extreme interpretations of Islam will take a long time and must come from within.

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[XtremeJibber2001]

Christians being killed, homosexuals being thrown off the tops of buildings, thousands of artifacts from antiquity are being destroyed .... sound strategy thus far!

[Atomic1]

He is supporting Hamas or the Palestinians when their only goal is to kill Jews. Turns his back on Isreal and supports Iran who has stated they want to " WIPE OUT ISREAL " and he has done as little as he could to stop ISIS. I'm going to call it being an " ANTI-Semitic " !

[madhatter]

[XtremeJibber2001]

It's kinda like FDR ... didn't make stopping the Nazi's a priority until it was too late.

[Bubba]

It's kinda like FDR ... didn't make stopping the Nazi's a priority until it was too late.

You probably need a history lesson as that's a pretty simplistic and misleading view.

[XtremeJibber2001]

It's kinda like FDR ... didn't make stopping the Nazi's a priority until it was too late.

You probably need a history lesson as that's a pretty simplistic and misleading view.

Well, yes. I wasn't going to post a recap of history and all the variables at play, but I do appreciate your eagerness to be condescending. I think we can agree FDR did not, at least initially, make the rise of the Nazi's a priority despite being well-informed (sound familiar). America's Ambassador at the time (mid-30's) was largely ignored by FDR and his cohorts, despite his attempts to advise FDR of the changes in Germany (specifically Berlin).

[madhatter]

It's kinda like FDR ... didn't make stopping the Nazi's a priority until it was too late.

You probably need a history lesson as that's a pretty simplistic and misleading view.that was a bit harsh, his one sentence assessment was not exactly inaccurate...

Well, yes. I wasn't going to post a recap of history and all the variables at play, but I do appreciate your eagerness to be condescending. I think we can agree FDR did not, at least initially, make the rise of the Nazi's a priority despite being well-informed (sound familiar). America's Ambassador at the time (mid-30's) was largely ignored by FDR and his cohorts, despite his attempts to advise FDR of the changes in Germany (specifically Berlin).

US isolationist policy and support for such as well as other domestic issues played a role in the US "lack of intervention" then as well as now... It's always easy to look back in history and make decisions... You'd think w the modern ability to have all that history at one's finger tips some of these decisions might come a little easier...

[freeski]

You don't want to rush into wars. There was always the chance Hitler would tire of the whole war thing. Same with ISIS maybe they'll see the light, if not we can stop them before they do too much damage like with Hitler.

[Bubba]

It's kinda like FDR ... didn't make stopping the Nazi's a priority until it was too late.

You probably need a history lesson as that's a pretty simplistic and misleading view.that was a bit harsh, his one sentence assessment was not exactly inaccurate...

Well, yes. I wasn't going to post a recap of history and all the variables at play, but I do appreciate your eagerness to be condescending. I think we can agree FDR did not, at least initially, make the rise of the Nazi's a priority despite being well-informed (sound familiar). America's Ambassador at the time (mid-30's) was largely ignored by FDR and his cohorts, despite his attempts to advise FDR of the changes in Germany (specifically Berlin).

US isolationist policy and support for such as well as other domestic issues played a role in the US "lack of intervention" then as well as now... It's always easy to look back in history and make decisions... You'd think w the modern ability to have all that history at one's finger tips some of these decisions might come a little easier...

You're right, that was a bit harsh, but not intended to be condescending at all. There were an awful lot of factors at play in the 1930s but FDR was not one of those isolationists. In fact, he was trying to assist Britain in resisting Hitler and readying the US for war starting in the mid-1930s. He was up against the historic US isolationist point of view, recovering from the Great Depression and watching the Japanese aggression in Asia all at the same time and had to bring the country along with him. He was battling neo-Nazis and isolationists in this country while doing so as quickly as the country could follow. So, while a bit harsh, the view presented - that FDR didn't make stopping the Nazis a priority until too late - was simplistic and misleading. If you want to find the real culprit guilty of not wanting to stop Hitler early, it would be the British and French, especially British PM Neville Chamberlain.

[madhatter]

It's kinda like FDR ... didn't make stopping the Nazi's a priority until it was too late.

You probably need a history lesson as that's a pretty simplistic and misleading view.that was a bit harsh, his one sentence assessment was not exactly inaccurate...

Well, yes. I wasn't going to post a recap of history and all the variables at play, but I do appreciate your eagerness to be condescending. I think we can agree FDR did not, at least initially, make the rise of the Nazi's a priority despite being well-informed (sound familiar). America's Ambassador at the time (mid-30's) was largely ignored by FDR and his cohorts, despite his attempts to advise FDR of the changes in Germany (specifically Berlin).

US isolationist policy and support for such as well as other domestic issues played a role in the US "lack of intervention" then as well as now... It's always easy to look back in history and make decisions... You'd think w the modern ability to have all that history at one's finger tips some of these decisions might come a little easier...

You're right, that was a bit harsh, but not intended to be condescending at all. There were an awful lot of factors at play in the 1930s but FDR was not one of those isolationists. In fact, he was trying to assist Britain in resisting Hitler and readying the US for war starting in the mid-1930s. He was up against the historic US isolationist point of view, recovering from the Great Depression and watching the Japanese aggression in Asia all at the same time and had to bring the country along with him. He was battling neo-Nazis and isolationists in this country while doing so as quickly as the country could follow. So, while a bit harsh, the view presented - that FDR didn't make stopping the Nazis a priority until too late - was simplistic and misleading. If you want to find the real culprit guilty of not wanting to stop Hitler early, it would be the British and French, especially British PM Neville Chamberlain.

yep, that's more accurate for sure...but try fitting all that on a bumper sticker....

[freeski]

You're right, that was a bit harsh, but not intended to be condescending at all. There were an awful lot of factors at play in the 1930s but FDR was not one of those isolationists. In fact, he was trying to assist Britain in resisting Hitler and readying the US for war starting in the mid-1930s. He was up against the historic US isolationist point of view, recovering from the Great Depression and watching the Japanese aggression in Asia all at the same time and had to bring the country along with him. He was battling neo-Nazis and isolationists in this country while doing so as quickly as the country could follow. So, while a bit harsh, the view presented - that FDR didn't make stopping the Nazis a priority until too late - was simplistic and misleading. If you want to find the real culprit guilty of not wanting to stop Hitler early, it would be the British and French, especially British PM Neville Chamberlain.

The U.S. was still war-weary from WWI and this was the largest reason for our isolation. FDR had to go around the congress to ramp up our factories (executive order) to arm England and get us ready to enter the war. It's a good thing he did if it was left up to congress we would have entered the war flat footed.

[Bubba]

yep, that's more accurate for sure...but try fitting all that on a bumper sticker....

I'm for accuracy over sound bites and bumper stickers; nuance over absolutism; and I recognize that most of the issues in this world are not black and white but various shades of grey. All of that means I'll never run for office, at least successfully.

[Mister Moose]

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[Bubba]

Bibi vs. Barack

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