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freeski wrote:New email came out yesterday. It's from the Cankler saying she doesn't want to ride on a jet with Michelle Obama. Cankle needs her own jet. :shock: Too bad this didn't come out before the election.

Cankle is bad.
What difference would it make?
Wasn't her Climate Change policy one of the pillars of her 2016 campaign? Seems a bit contradictory.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Bubba wrote:
freeski wrote:New email came out yesterday. It's from the Cankler saying she doesn't want to ride on a jet with Michelle Obama. Cankle needs her own jet. :shock: Too bad this didn't come out before the election.

Cankle is bad.
What difference would it make?
Wasn't her Climate Change policy one of the pillars of her 2016 campaign? Seems a bit contradictory.
Yes it does. Butt, she's an elitist. She wants to raise all of your energy costs and send your tax dollars overseas While her carbon footprint is 20 times yours.
Cankle is bad.
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freeski wrote: Cankle is bad.
Gump is far worse Komrad, but at least he's proven himself inept.
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Coydog wrote:
freeski wrote: Cankle is bad.
Gump is far worse Komrad, but at least he's proven himself inept.
Is he though? He may already be a lame duck POTUS.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Coydog wrote:
freeski wrote: Cankle is bad.
Gump is far worse Komrad, but at least he's proven himself inept.
Is he though? He may already be a lame duck POTUS.
Kinda thinking yer a lame analyst..
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madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Coydog wrote:
freeski wrote: Cankle is bad.
Gump is far worse Komrad, but at least he's proven himself inept.
Is he though? He may already be a lame duck POTUS.
Kinda thinking yer a lame analyst..
How's the tax plan coming along? Quack.
Bloomberg wrote:Republican Tax-Cut Dreams on Hold as Lawmakers Grow Frustrated With Trump
by Billy House and Sahil Kapur
June 2, 2017, 10:03 AM EDT June 2, 2017, 12:07 PM EDT
White House has yet to offer details on offsets for tax cuts
Trump says ‘our bill is moving along’ despite lack of progress

House Republicans are growing frustrated with the lack of any details about the Trump administration’s tax plan, as the slow pace leaves lawmakers in limbo in their negotiations over how to deliver on long promised tax cuts.

Republicans in both chambers are leery of getting out ahead of the White House, but a member on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee said the prospect of a detailed White House plan emerging soon was akin to the chances of spotting a unicorn.

The pessimism on Capitol Hill stands in sharp contrast to President Donald Trump’s public promises.

“Our tax bill is moving along in Congress and I believe it’s doing very well,” Trump said Thursday after announcing that the U.S. would pull out of the Paris climate deal.

But no tax bill has been introduced -- or even circulated -- and Republicans who strongly support Trump and are desperate to advance some kind of tax bill fret that the White House is falling far behind. The White House’s only public contribution to the debate has been a one-page outline released in late April that included trillions of dollars in individual and corporate tax cuts that would explode the deficit and lacked details on how to pay for them.

White House economic adviser Gary Cohn wouldn’t say Friday during a Bloomberg TV interview when a detailed tax plan would arrive. He said the White House is “actively engaged” with House and Senate leaders to craft a consensus plan so there’s “uniform buy-in” by the time it’s released, and added that the White House is working as hard as it can to complete the task by the end of 2017.

In a separate interview Friday on Fox Business, Cohn indicated a timeline for a White House proposal: “We will have a very detailed, drafted tax plan to be delivered to Congress by when they get back from the August recess,” he said.

The Republican lawmaker on the Ways and Means panel, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said there have been lots of meetings between White House officials and key lawmakers, but the Trump administration’s approach so far feels like amateur hour.

The lawmaker said the conversations have mostly involved educating the White House and Senate about the House proposals, which include a controversial border-adjusted tax on imports championed by House Speaker Paul Ryan. The lawmaker said he was hoping to see details this week on an emerging White House plan, but officials said there is currently no plan for the White House to present anything.

The Trump administration and top Senate Republicans have made clear they don’t favor the border-adjusted tax proposal, as well as other components of the House GOP blueprint. But they haven’t proposed alternative mechanisms to offset their plans to cut personal and corporate tax rates.

“No one wants to make clear what the tax plan will look like,” said Representative Dave Brat of Virginia, a conservative who is chairman of the Small Business Subcommittee on Economic Growth, Tax, and Capital Access.

Brat said he has asked during recent House Republican meetings for a vote count on the border-adjusted tax, also known at BAT, "because we cannot wait for three weeks and then find out that that is a poison pill and come up $1 trillion short."

Jonathan Traub, a former staff director for Republicans on the Ways and Means Committee who is now a managing principal at Deloitte Tax LLP, said, “It is becoming clearer to House leaders that the border-adjusted tax is not going to become law.”

‘No Plan B’

“There’s some frustration that there’s no Plan B that anybody else has yet developed,” Traub said. “The House is frustrated that the White House and Senate keep taking shots at the BAT” but then don’t propose a way to prevent tax loopholes or avoidance strategies, he said.

Under rules that Senate leaders plan to use to pass a tax bill with only a simple majority, the legislation would have to be revenue-neutral for its changes to be permanent.

“I’m a little confused as to what the endgame is on these efforts by the House, Senate and White House to get on the same page on reform,” Traub said. “I’ve not seen visible signs that they’re closer to a deal than they were a month ago.”

The crowded congressional calendar will also reduce the time available to work on a tax bill. Senate Republicans are prioritizing health-care legislation, which may not finish by the August recess. After the break, Congress faces deadlines to avert a government shutdown, raise the debt limit and extend expiring programs like the Children’s Health Care Program. It also needs to agree on spending levels before proceeding to the vehicle for a tax bill.

‘Not Trump’s Specialty’

Many key Senate Republicans are waiting for the White House to lay out some of its parameters. House Ways and Means Chairman Kevin Brady, meanwhile, is exploring an alternative plan, according to the lawmaker on the panel, but he isn’t willing to unveil the details yet because it could spark a backlash from the White House and Senate Republicans.

Arthur Laffer, the influential supply-side economist, defended Trump’s slow decision-making on the details of a tax plan.

“It is not Trump’s specialty area,” he said. “I think he’s doing a great job of trying to adjust to new information.”
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Coydog wrote:
freeski wrote: Cankle is bad.
Gump is far worse Komrad, but at least he's proven himself inept.
Is he though? He may already be a lame duck POTUS.
Kinda thinking yer a lame analyst..
How's the tax plan coming along? Quack.
Bloomberg wrote:Republican Tax-Cut Dreams on Hold as Lawmakers Grow Frustrated With Trump
by Billy House and Sahil Kapur
June 2, 2017, 10:03 AM EDT June 2, 2017, 12:07 PM EDT
White House has yet to offer details on offsets for tax cuts
Trump says ‘our bill is moving along’ despite lack of progress

House Republicans are growing frustrated with the lack of any details about the Trump administration’s tax plan, as the slow pace leaves lawmakers in limbo in their negotiations over how to deliver on long promised tax cuts.

Republicans in both chambers are leery of getting out ahead of the White House, but a member on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee said the prospect of a detailed White House plan emerging soon was akin to the chances of spotting a unicorn.

The pessimism on Capitol Hill stands in sharp contrast to President Donald Trump’s public promises.

“Our tax bill is moving along in Congress and I believe it’s doing very well,” Trump said Thursday after announcing that the U.S. would pull out of the Paris climate deal.

But no tax bill has been introduced -- or even circulated -- and Republicans who strongly support Trump and are desperate to advance some kind of tax bill fret that the White House is falling far behind. The White House’s only public contribution to the debate has been a one-page outline released in late April that included trillions of dollars in individual and corporate tax cuts that would explode the deficit and lacked details on how to pay for them.

White House economic adviser Gary Cohn wouldn’t say Friday during a Bloomberg TV interview when a detailed tax plan would arrive. He said the White House is “actively engaged” with House and Senate leaders to craft a consensus plan so there’s “uniform buy-in” by the time it’s released, and added that the White House is working as hard as it can to complete the task by the end of 2017.

In a separate interview Friday on Fox Business, Cohn indicated a timeline for a White House proposal: “We will have a very detailed, drafted tax plan to be delivered to Congress by when they get back from the August recess,” he said.

The Republican lawmaker on the Ways and Means panel, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said there have been lots of meetings between White House officials and key lawmakers, but the Trump administration’s approach so far feels like amateur hour.

The lawmaker said the conversations have mostly involved educating the White House and Senate about the House proposals, which include a controversial border-adjusted tax on imports championed by House Speaker Paul Ryan. The lawmaker said he was hoping to see details this week on an emerging White House plan, but officials said there is currently no plan for the White House to present anything.

The Trump administration and top Senate Republicans have made clear they don’t favor the border-adjusted tax proposal, as well as other components of the House GOP blueprint. But they haven’t proposed alternative mechanisms to offset their plans to cut personal and corporate tax rates.

“No one wants to make clear what the tax plan will look like,” said Representative Dave Brat of Virginia, a conservative who is chairman of the Small Business Subcommittee on Economic Growth, Tax, and Capital Access.

Brat said he has asked during recent House Republican meetings for a vote count on the border-adjusted tax, also known at BAT, "because we cannot wait for three weeks and then find out that that is a poison pill and come up $1 trillion short."

Jonathan Traub, a former staff director for Republicans on the Ways and Means Committee who is now a managing principal at Deloitte Tax LLP, said, “It is becoming clearer to House leaders that the border-adjusted tax is not going to become law.”

‘No Plan B’

“There’s some frustration that there’s no Plan B that anybody else has yet developed,” Traub said. “The House is frustrated that the White House and Senate keep taking shots at the BAT” but then don’t propose a way to prevent tax loopholes or avoidance strategies, he said.

Under rules that Senate leaders plan to use to pass a tax bill with only a simple majority, the legislation would have to be revenue-neutral for its changes to be permanent.

“I’m a little confused as to what the endgame is on these efforts by the House, Senate and White House to get on the same page on reform,” Traub said. “I’ve not seen visible signs that they’re closer to a deal than they were a month ago.”

The crowded congressional calendar will also reduce the time available to work on a tax bill. Senate Republicans are prioritizing health-care legislation, which may not finish by the August recess. After the break, Congress faces deadlines to avert a government shutdown, raise the debt limit and extend expiring programs like the Children’s Health Care Program. It also needs to agree on spending levels before proceeding to the vehicle for a tax bill.

‘Not Trump’s Specialty’

Many key Senate Republicans are waiting for the White House to lay out some of its parameters. House Ways and Means Chairman Kevin Brady, meanwhile, is exploring an alternative plan, according to the lawmaker on the panel, but he isn’t willing to unveil the details yet because it could spark a backlash from the White House and Senate Republicans.

Arthur Laffer, the influential supply-side economist, defended Trump’s slow decision-making on the details of a tax plan.

“It is not Trump’s specialty area,” he said. “I think he’s doing a great job of trying to adjust to new information.”
let's see it took well over a year to pass the horrendous and purely partisan ACA but in your brilliant analysis 5 mos far too long to go w/o passing major legislation so trump must be a lame duck...get back to me after the midterms about lame duck...D's take either house yer half way there...they take both and you got yourself a lame duck. otherwise just more emotion based anal ysis...

next up the supreme court will hear the "travel ban" case...
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madhatter wrote:let's see it took well over a year to pass the horrendous and purely partisan ACA but in your brilliant analysis 5 mos far too long to go w/o passing major legislation so trump must be a lame duck...get back to me after the midterms about lame duck...D's take either house yer half way there...they take both and you got yourself a lame duck. otherwise just more emotion based anal ysis...

next up the supreme court will hear the "travel ban" case...
I'd argue ACA versus Trump's Tax Plan is apples to oranges. The complexity of the tax plan pails in comparison to ACA. However, if you're going to use ACA as a baseline, so be it. ACA was presented to the house in July of 2009 just 6 months after the inauguration. In March 2010, just 8 months later, it was signed into law. Of course there were many revisions, amendments, debates, blocks, etc.

I guess if we don't see the tax plan on the House floor next month, one might say Trump is en-route to becoming a lame duck.

Not to mention:
(1) One would expect Trump to move swiftly on his major legislation now, before it's too late, considering the impending 2018 midterms.
(2) One would expect Trump's experience "making deals" would help create efficiencies not realized by his predecessor due to Obama's inexperience getting things done.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:let's see it took well over a year to pass the horrendous and purely partisan ACA but in your brilliant analysis 5 mos far too long to go w/o passing major legislation so trump must be a lame duck...get back to me after the midterms about lame duck...D's take either house yer half way there...they take both and you got yourself a lame duck. otherwise just more emotion based anal ysis...

next up the supreme court will hear the "travel ban" case...
I'd argue ACA versus Trump's Tax Plan is apples to oranges. The complexity of the tax plan pails in comparison to ACA. However, if you're going to use ACA as a baseline, so be it. ACA was presented to the house in July of 2009 just 6 months after the inauguration. In March 2010, just 8 months later, it was signed into law. Of course there were many revisions, amendments, debates, blocks, etc.

I guess if we don't see the tax plan on the House floor next month, one might say Trump is en-route to becoming a lame duck. you've been saying this since nov 9th... :roll:

Not to mention:
(1) One would expect Trump to move swiftly on his major legislation now, before it's too late, considering the impending 2018 midterms.
(2) One would expect Trump's experience "making deals" would help create efficiencies not realized by his predecessor due to Obama's inexperience getting things done.
do you actually follow politics? or do you just have feelings about them? impending midterms? good grief R's are hardly worried about midterms right now...nor do they need to be...as I've said countless hundreds of times, when an R's in office the media and oppositions party won't let ANYTHING even remotely questionable pass and I'm totally fine w that from a "less govt" position...In fact it's great...the absolute stoppage of the obama/progressive agenda is exactly what I voted for... the hysterics the left has gone into over it and the self destruction it's caused are merely serendipity...don't get much more lame than the D's right now...been about 7 mos since the election and they are still in the denial/anger stages of grief...so far I've seen nothing in the way of action or reform to signify they have any ability to move on and gain seats anywhere...

back in reality many voted for trump because he was not a true republican or party insider...We essentially have an Independent in the oval office who is attempting to take down the establishment and govern from the peoples perspective...expect very little cooperation in congress on anything that prevents gravy from flowing to the trough...

one more thing on the midterms and 2020...just what position do you think the D's and the MSM are going to be in if/when this whole russia thing turns out to be a farce? where does that leave the credibility of the msm and party that lost by extolling the same tired attacks they continue with now? it's not a winning strategy outside of dumfukistan...
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madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:let's see it took well over a year to pass the horrendous and purely partisan ACA but in your brilliant analysis 5 mos far too long to go w/o passing major legislation so trump must be a lame duck...get back to me after the midterms about lame duck...D's take either house yer half way there...they take both and you got yourself a lame duck. otherwise just more emotion based anal ysis...

next up the supreme court will hear the "travel ban" case...
I'd argue ACA versus Trump's Tax Plan is apples to oranges. The complexity of the tax plan pails in comparison to ACA. However, if you're going to use ACA as a baseline, so be it. ACA was presented to the house in July of 2009 just 6 months after the inauguration. In March 2010, just 8 months later, it was signed into law. Of course there were many revisions, amendments, debates, blocks, etc.

I guess if we don't see the tax plan on the House floor next month, one might say Trump is en-route to becoming a lame duck. you've been saying this since nov 9th... :roll:

Not to mention:
(1) One would expect Trump to move swiftly on his major legislation now, before it's too late, considering the impending 2018 midterms.
(2) One would expect Trump's experience "making deals" would help create efficiencies not realized by his predecessor due to Obama's inexperience getting things done.
do you actually follow politics? or do you just have feelings about them? impending midterms? good grief R's are hardly worried about midterms right now...nor do they need to be...as I've said countless hundreds of times, when an R's in office the media and oppositions party won't let ANYTHING even remotely questionable pass and I'm totally fine w that from a "less govt" position...In fact it's great...the absolute stoppage of the obama/progressive agenda is exactly what I voted for... the hysterics the left has gone into over it and the self destruction it's caused are merely serendipity...don't get much more lame than the D's right now...been about 7 mos since the election and they are still in the denial/anger stages of grief...so far I've seen nothing in the way of action or reform to signify they have any ability to move on and gain seats anywhere...

back in reality many voted for trump because he was not a true republican or party insider...We essentially have an Independent in the oval office who is attempting to take down the establishment and govern from the peoples perspective...expect very little cooperation in congress on anything that prevents gravy from flowing to the trough...

one more thing on the midterms and 2020...just what position do you think the D's and the MSM are going to be in if/when this whole russia thing turns out to be a farce? where does that leave the credibility of the msm and party that lost by extolling the same tired attacks they continue with now? it's not a winning strategy outside of dumfukistan...
Lots of Red Herrings. To summarize, it concerns you little that it's taking Trump longer than Obama to put a bill on the house floor that's arguably less complex than the ACA?
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The issue now is that Trump made promises he can't possibly keep. Everything would be better with no cuts to services people want and depend on. Having no interest in policy details and having brought little if any expertise into his administration, he's dependent upon Congress to come up with plans and, as we've seen, Republicans in Congress had no viable plans after voting "no" for eight years and can't agree among themselves how to move forward. The Democrats may be angry and grieving but the Republicans now hold control and appear to be using their gavel more like a shovel at the moment. Yet, with all that, it is way too early to write their 2018/2020 campaign obituaries.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:let's see it took well over a year to pass the horrendous and purely partisan ACA but in your brilliant analysis 5 mos far too long to go w/o passing major legislation so trump must be a lame duck...get back to me after the midterms about lame duck...D's take either house yer half way there...they take both and you got yourself a lame duck. otherwise just more emotion based anal ysis...

next up the supreme court will hear the "travel ban" case...
I'd argue ACA versus Trump's Tax Plan is apples to oranges. The complexity of the tax plan pails in comparison to ACA. However, if you're going to use ACA as a baseline, so be it. ACA was presented to the house in July of 2009 just 6 months after the inauguration. In March 2010, just 8 months later, it was signed into law. Of course there were many revisions, amendments, debates, blocks, etc.

I guess if we don't see the tax plan on the House floor next month, one might say Trump is en-route to becoming a lame duck. you've been saying this since nov 9th... :roll:

Not to mention:
(1) One would expect Trump to move swiftly on his major legislation now, before it's too late, considering the impending 2018 midterms.
(2) One would expect Trump's experience "making deals" would help create efficiencies not realized by his predecessor due to Obama's inexperience getting things done.
do you actually follow politics? or do you just have feelings about them? impending midterms? good grief R's are hardly worried about midterms right now...nor do they need to be...as I've said countless hundreds of times, when an R's in office the media and oppositions party won't let ANYTHING even remotely questionable pass and I'm totally fine w that from a "less govt" position...In fact it's great...the absolute stoppage of the obama/progressive agenda is exactly what I voted for... the hysterics the left has gone into over it and the self destruction it's caused are merely serendipity...don't get much more lame than the D's right now...been about 7 mos since the election and they are still in the denial/anger stages of grief...so far I've seen nothing in the way of action or reform to signify they have any ability to move on and gain seats anywhere...

back in reality many voted for trump because he was not a true republican or party insider...We essentially have an Independent in the oval office who is attempting to take down the establishment and govern from the peoples perspective...expect very little cooperation in congress on anything that prevents gravy from flowing to the trough...

one more thing on the midterms and 2020...just what position do you think the D's and the MSM are going to be in if/when this whole russia thing turns out to be a farce? where does that leave the credibility of the msm and party that lost by extolling the same tired attacks they continue with now? it's not a winning strategy outside of dumfukistan...
Lots of Red Herrings. really? how is any of it not pertinent to a discussion on whether or not trump is a lame duck and worried about midterms? you seem to be implying that trump is virtually powerless to do anything, no one anywhere supports him or his policies and that the D's are about to see a landslide in their favor in 2018, good luck w that....most who voted for trump aren't even remotely thinking about abandoning ship... To summarize, it concerns you little that it's taking Trump longer than Obama to put a bill on the house floor that's arguably less complex than the ACA?
last I checked the president doesn't put a bill on the floor...and the speaker doesn't put a bill on the floor until he/she thinks they have enough votes...hard to pass a bill when the D's and MSM are in full out negative mode on anything and everything not D, and again that's a feature not a bug...Trump is an outsider to both parties and trying to cut through the PC red tape that prevents congress on either side from taking any kind of bold stand for fear of retribution...it's a tough row to hoe, so far he's the only one who's ever been able to even scratch the ground...he took on the media for himself and overcame their attempts to keep him from office...we'll see where he goes from here...( back to that whole what happens to the media and dems if/when that whole russiagate thing fails to pan out for them)

I'm totally ok w less govt and only the most bipartisan and necessary of bills seeing the light of day...that's one way of limiting govt and the fact that we don't have a supreme court, media or opposition party that will allow any form of presidential overreach means we can rest assured that for the time being there will be very little if any expansion of govt and/or govt overreach into the private lives of the states and their citizenry...

the ACA took about 14 mos to get to the presidents desk and it was a pile of crap that took years to roll-out and was a complete flop when it did w the website non functional and dysfunctional for nearly another year...it's still a failing piece of crap that was sold based on "the stupidity of the american voter" and is still defended by some those same voters.....not sure a tax overhaul bill is "less complex" than a HC bill, just complex in different ways...yet the same in one very significant way, there's not enough income to cover expenses...
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His most ardent supporters will not abandon ship because they're a vindictive bunch, but the folks that got him elected (e.g., swing voters) will abandon ship if he doesn't accomplish any of his major campaign promises (e.g., tax reform, repeal of ACA) while enjoying a majority in the House and Senate.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:His most ardent supporters will not abandon ship because they're a vindictive bunchdespising progressive policy is not vindictive, it's just smart..., but the folks that got him elected also despise the progressive agenda(e.g., swing voters) will abandon ship if he doesn't accomplish any of his major campaign promises (e.g., tax reform, repeal of ACA) while enjoying a majority in the House and Senate.
in favor of who? liz warren? hat trick hillary? so barely 1/4 of the way to the midterms and in the face of extreme opposition you expect swing voters that voted for him to abandon ship in favor of that which they voted against? in any case the midterms are quite a ways off and highly unlikely to yield enough seats to create a lame duck situation...for many people lame duck is far preferable to hillary and the progressive agenda or any progressive incarnation of hillary, warren etc...that's not gonna change simply because trump was unable to fulfill campaign promises...unless the D's offer something far different and far more attractive than what they offer in 2016 they'll be offering up very little resistance in 2020 as well...virtually impossible to see significant enough D gains in 2018 to make much of a difference...
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