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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Let's hear your plan. How much longer would you have pushed a ground war? What would be your desired outcome? How many kids lives would you be willing to sacrifice in pursuit of that outcome?
I like what we're doing now ... let them kill each other ... US-coordinated drone attacks, as needed, when ISIS threatens assets the US cares about most. It's not like ISIS is going to suddenly build a mechanized military like we saw with Hitler in WWII.
Absolutely this...


Apparently madhatter has watched too many reruns of Red Dawn and doesn't want the Russians helping.
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deadheadskier wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Let's hear your plan. How much longer would you have pushed a ground war? What would be your desired outcome? How many kids lives would you be willing to sacrifice in pursuit of that outcome?
I like what we're doing now ... let them kill each other ... US-coordinated drone attacks, as needed, when ISIS threatens assets the US cares about most. It's not like ISIS is going to suddenly build a mechanized military like we saw with Hitler in WWII.
Absolutely this...


Apparently madhatter has watched too many reruns of Red Dawn and doesn't want the Russians helping.which of course is something I never said...
you obviously have nothing of value to offer here... no surprise... your idiot comment doesn't even make any sense, red dawn was a cold war era movie about an attack on american soil by russia/soviets...something that was NEVER going to happen...

the prospect of russia, iran and forces allied with them controlling, syria, iraq, and a host of other middle east countries is a very real possibility given the current circumstances and would have highly detrimental effects to the US, israel, oil prices and stability in the middle east...

maybe instead of reading with an "attack madhatter" response in mind ya might actually ponder the situation from a non emotional standpoint... might also help if you address the numerous pertinent points made throughout this thread instead of dismissing them with petulant child like retorts and/or absolute avoidance...I'm sure your argument makes perfect sense to you but that's only because its the only one you even remotely entertain...
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Ok then. How many troops? How long? Where does it end? How many lives are worth it?

How much money? We're at six TRILLION and counting. You willing to pay more taxes to support this?
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steamboat1 wrote:Let the games begin.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russian- ... ?r=UK&IR=T
Never ever in my life did I ever even contemplate rooting for the Russians. In this case they are right. Regardless they want to keep Assad they want to destroy ISIS, and for you Obsmacons ISIL, and that's something Obama won't do and doesn't want.
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deadheadskier wrote:Ok then. How many troops? How long? Where does it end? How many lives are worth it?all of this has already gone past the decision making process, and was bungled by hopey dope...

How much money? We're at six TRILLION and counting. maff please? cuz I seriously question your numbers... You willing to pay more taxes to support this?
nope but I'd be willing to take those on the dole and conscript them...starting w the most obvious frauds and keep going right on down the line from there...actually I'm just kidding, unfortunately most of whatever money we actually did spend there was squandered by the clown prince's political theater...going fwd it should be a bit less expensive if we just stick to the task at hand and give it the full fledged effort our military is capable of...

so which argument are we addressing what should have been done? ( follow through on the plan our advisers set out vs the purely political strategy that obama employed) or what should be done when we get a new commander in chief?( attempt to retain the services of some of the high ranking advisers obama dismissed and bring a in a few more to develop a new strategy, one based on real world results and expectations not ideology and political expediency...

we had a plan in place for iraq and afghanistan but obama thought it would be a great idea to withdraw troops from iraq and announce a leave by date in afghanistan all while advocating for an arab spring and making idle threats to assad for all the world to see...despite the objections of many in the military including his own advisers....now we have a huge power vacuum complete w all the trappings of such and obama's only action seems to be to buy time til he's out of office and leave it to someone else...
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Russia launches airstrikes in northern Syria, senior military official says


Russian warplanes began bombarding Syrian opposition targets in the war-torn nation's north Wednesday, following a terse meeting at which a Russian general asked Pentagon officials to clear out of Syrian air space and was rebuffed, Fox News has learned.

A U.S. official said Russian airstrikes targeted fighters in the vicinity of Homs, located roughly 60 miles east of a Russian naval facility in Tartus, and were carried out by a "couple" of Russian bombers. The strikes hit targets in Homs and Hama, but there is no presence of ISIS in those areas, a senior U.S. defense official said. These planes are hitting areas where Free Syrian Army and other anti-Assad groups are located, the official said.

According to a U.S. senior official, Presidents Obama and Putin agreed on a process to "deconflict" military operations. The Russians on Wednesday "bypassed that process," the official said.

"That's not how responsible nations do business," the official said.

The development came after Pentagon officials, in a development first reported by Fox News, brushed aside an official request, or "demarche," from Russia to clear air space over northern Syria, where Moscow said it intended to conduct airstrikes against ISIS on behalf of Assad, according to sources who spoke to Fox News.

The request was made in a heated discussion between a Russian three-star general and U.S. officials at the American Embassy in Baghdad, sources said. "If you have forces in the area we request they leave," said the general, who used the word "please" in the contentious encounter.

The move by Moscow marks a major escalation in ongoing tensions between the two countries over military action in the war-torn country and comes moments after Russian lawmakers formally approved a request from Putin to authorize the use of troops in Syria. Putin said previously that Russia would strike ISIS targets.

The Federation Council, the upper house of Russia's parliament, discussed Putin's request for the authorization behind the closed doors. Sergei Ivanov, chief of Putin's administration, said in televised remarks that the parliament voted unanimously to approve the request. Ivanov said the authorization is necessary "not in order to
achieve some foreign policy goals" but "in order to defend Russia's national interests."

Putin is obligated to request parliamentary approval for any use of Russian troops abroad, according to the Russian Constitution. The last time he did so was before Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in March 2014.

Putin's request comes after his bilateral meeting with Obama on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly meeting in New York, where the two were discussing Russia's recent military buildup in Syria.

A U.S. official told Fox News Monday the two leaders agreed to discuss political transition in Syria but were at odds over the role that Assad should play in resolving the civil conflict. The official said Obama reiterated to Putin that he does not believe there is a path to stability in Syria with Assad in power. Putin has said the world needs to support Assad because his military has the best chance to defeat ISIS militants.
Putin said the meeting, which lasted slightly more than 90 minutes, was “very constructive, business-like and frank".

"We are thinking about it, and we don't exclude anything," Putin told reporters at the time

The Kremlin reported that Putin hosted a meeting of the Russian security council at his residence Tuesday night outside of Moscow, saying that they were discussing terrorism and extremism.

On Tuesday, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius called on Russia to make a real contribution to the fight against ISIS, telling reporters at the United Nations that Moscow "is against the terrorists, it's not abnormal to launch strikes against them."
"The international community has hit (ISIS). France has hit (ISIS), Assad very little, and the Russians not at all. So one has to look at who does what," Fabius added.
Russia has been a staunch supporter of Assad during Syria's bloody civil war, and multiple reports have previously indicated that Russian troops are aiding Assad's forces. Israel's defense minister also said earlier this month that Russian troops are in Syria to help Assad fight the ISIS terror group.

On Wednesday, Reuters reported that Russia's Foreign Ministry told the news agency Interfax that a recently established operations center in Baghdad would help coordinate airstrikes and ground troops in Syria. Fox News first reported last week that the center had been set up by Russian, Syrian and Iranian military commanders with the goal of working with Iranian-backed Shia militias fighting ISIS.

Over the weekend, the Iraqi government announced that it would begin sharing "security and intelligence" information with Russia, Syria and Iran to help combat ISIS.
Meanwhile, intelligence sources told Fox News Friday that Iranian Quds Force commander Qasem Soleimani met with Russian military commanders in Baghdad Sept. 22. Fox News reported earlier this month that Soleimani met Putin in Moscow over the summer to discuss a joint military plan in Syria.

"The Russians are no longer advising, but co-leadng the war in Syria," one intelligence official said at the time.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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shortski wrote:
steamboat1 wrote:Let the games begin.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russian- ... ?r=UK&IR=T
Never ever in my life did I ever even contemplate rooting for the Russians. In this case they are right. Regardless they want to keep Assad they want to destroy ISIS, and for you Obsmacons ISIL, and that's something Obama won't do and doesn't want.
But the Russians didn't attack ISIS (so far). They attacked U.S. backed forces in Syria who are trying to overthrow Assad.
Take that Obama. What a tool we have as our leader.
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deadheadskier wrote:Ok then. How many troops? How long? Where does it end? How many lives are worth it? :violin

How much money? We're at six TRILLION and counting. You willing to pay more taxes to support this?
It will cost a lot less when we have to fight them here. Is that your plan? Seems to be Obama's.
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steamboat1 wrote:Russia launches airstrikes in northern Syria, senior military official says


Russian warplanes began bombarding Syrian opposition targets in the war-torn nation's north Wednesday, following a terse meeting at which a Russian general asked Pentagon officials to clear out of Syrian air space and was rebuffed, Fox News has learned.

A U.S. official said Russian airstrikes targeted fighters in the vicinity of Homs, located roughly 60 miles east of a Russian naval facility in Tartus, and were carried out by a "couple" of Russian bombers. The strikes hit targets in Homs and Hama, but there is no presence of ISIS in those areas, a senior U.S. defense official said. These planes are hitting areas where Free Syrian Army and other anti-Assad groups are located, the official said.

According to a U.S. senior official, Presidents Obama and Putin agreed on a process to "deconflict" military operations. The Russians on Wednesday "bypassed that process," the official said.

"That's not how responsible nations do business," the official said.

The development came after Pentagon officials, in a development first reported by Fox News, brushed aside an official request, or "demarche," from Russia to clear air space over northern Syria, where Moscow said it intended to conduct airstrikes against ISIS on behalf of Assad, according to sources who spoke to Fox News.

The request was made in a heated discussion between a Russian three-star general and U.S. officials at the American Embassy in Baghdad, sources said. "If you have forces in the area we request they leave," said the general, who used the word "please" in the contentious encounter.

The move by Moscow marks a major escalation in ongoing tensions between the two countries over military action in the war-torn country and comes moments after Russian lawmakers formally approved a request from Putin to authorize the use of troops in Syria. Putin said previously that Russia would strike ISIS targets.

The Federation Council, the upper house of Russia's parliament, discussed Putin's request for the authorization behind the closed doors. Sergei Ivanov, chief of Putin's administration, said in televised remarks that the parliament voted unanimously to approve the request. Ivanov said the authorization is necessary "not in order to
achieve some foreign policy goals" but "in order to defend Russia's national interests."

Putin is obligated to request parliamentary approval for any use of Russian troops abroad, according to the Russian Constitution. The last time he did so was before Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in March 2014.

Putin's request comes after his bilateral meeting with Obama on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly meeting in New York, where the two were discussing Russia's recent military buildup in Syria.

A U.S. official told Fox News Monday the two leaders agreed to discuss political transition in Syria but were at odds over the role that Assad should play in resolving the civil conflict. The official said Obama reiterated to Putin that he does not believe there is a path to stability in Syria with Assad in power. Putin has said the world needs to support Assad because his military has the best chance to defeat ISIS militants.
Putin said the meeting, which lasted slightly more than 90 minutes, was “very constructive, business-like and frank".

"We are thinking about it, and we don't exclude anything," Putin told reporters at the time

The Kremlin reported that Putin hosted a meeting of the Russian security council at his residence Tuesday night outside of Moscow, saying that they were discussing terrorism and extremism.

On Tuesday, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius called on Russia to make a real contribution to the fight against ISIS, telling reporters at the United Nations that Moscow "is against the terrorists, it's not abnormal to launch strikes against them."
"The international community has hit (ISIS). France has hit (ISIS), Assad very little, and the Russians not at all. So one has to look at who does what," Fabius added.
Russia has been a staunch supporter of Assad during Syria's bloody civil war, and multiple reports have previously indicated that Russian troops are aiding Assad's forces. Israel's defense minister also said earlier this month that Russian troops are in Syria to help Assad fight the ISIS terror group.

On Wednesday, Reuters reported that Russia's Foreign Ministry told the news agency Interfax that a recently established operations center in Baghdad would help coordinate airstrikes and ground troops in Syria. Fox News first reported last week that the center had been set up by Russian, Syrian and Iranian military commanders with the goal of working with Iranian-backed Shia militias fighting ISIS.

Over the weekend, the Iraqi government announced that it would begin sharing "security and intelligence" information with Russia, Syria and Iran to help combat ISIS.
Meanwhile, intelligence sources told Fox News Friday that Iranian Quds Force commander Qasem Soleimani met with Russian military commanders in Baghdad Sept. 22. Fox News reported earlier this month that Soleimani met Putin in Moscow over the summer to discuss a joint military plan in Syria.

"The Russians are no longer advising, but co-leadng the war in Syria," one intelligence official said at the time.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/09.../?intcmp=hpbt1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/452047487...#sp=show-clips" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

all part of that "red dawn" overload I had... :roll: seriously DHS what good do you think will come of a coalition of iraq, iran, russia and syria? what about the not so good? how many others will join that coalition if it gains any lasting power? what will that lead to? if you wanna see life get real crappy real quick and stay that way for a long time, just let the petrodollar become extinct...
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Leading from behind =
A once relatively peaceful Iraq a wreck. The birth of ISIS.
Syria in a civil war.
Our Embassies attacked.
Libya- the wild wild west of terrorism.
Afghanistan a mess.
Lebanon a mess.
Egypt - 2 government overthrows and a 3rd coming.
Russia taking over countries.
Russia now the "puppet master" of the mid east.
Iran about to be flush with hundreds of billions of dollars.
Iran- the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism will now have lots of dough to give terrorists who want us dead.
Our military is shrinking.
The morale of our troops at all time lows.
Ridiculous rules of engagements costing lives.
Libs always wanted us off the world stage- now they get to find out what happens.
Time after time Obama has ignored the advice of his military leaders ( and if they pushed back he simply got rid of them) and the results have been disasterous.
Welcome to fundamental change and leading from behind.
Enjoy watching the world burn libs- your contributions to it are immense.
Simply by the sheer number of countries burning ,Obama's failed policies will add more to global warming than all coal companies combined- .
Great job libs. Take a bow.
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steamboat1 wrote:Leading from behind =
A once relatively peaceful Iraq a wreck. The birth of ISIS.
Syria in a civil war.
Our Embassies attacked.
Libya- the wild wild west of terrorism.
Afghanistan a mess.
Lebanon a mess.
Egypt - 2 government overthrows and a 3rd coming.
Russia taking over countries.
Russia now the "puppet master" of the mid east.
Iran about to be flush with hundreds of billions of dollars.
Iran- the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism will now have lots of dough to give terrorists who want us dead.
Our military is shrinking.
The morale of our troops at all time lows.
Ridiculous rules of engagements costing lives.
Libs always wanted us off the world stage- now they get to find out what happens.
Time after time Obama has ignored the advice of his military leaders ( and if they pushed back he simply got rid of them) and the results have been disasterous.
Welcome to fundamental change and leading from behind.
Enjoy watching the world burn libs- your contributions to it are immense.
Simply by the sheer number of countries burning ,Obama's failed policies will add more to global warming than all coal companies combined- .
Great job libs. Take a bow.
and the "but, but, but what about bush" rhetoric in 3, 2, 1...
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madhatter wrote:and the "but, but, but what about bush" rhetoric in 3, 2, 1...
Yup- under dubya- there was relative peace in the mid east. Hell - compared to today- the mid east was Shangri La 8 years ago.Now the whole place is in the middle of one giant war. Libs have a problem with GWB removing Sadaam WITH APPROVAL FROM CONGRESS - yet have no problems with Obama removing Mubarak or Kadaffi all by his little Noble Peace Prize lonesome WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL. Funny how that works with brain dead libs.But but but Bush 8 years later. Pathetic indeed.
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Iraq had their elections, their economy was growing, there was more peace and prosperity than most predicted. Between 2004 and 2011 their GDP increased almost 5 fold. Unemployment dropped from 28% to 15%. Poverty was reduced from 54% to 19% (using world bank's measure of poverty). Inflation dropped from 68% to 6%. Service growth was 8.2% (compared to 2% in USA).
There were no more US military deaths . There had been numerous, peaceful elections.
Then Obama , AGAINST THE ADVICE OF HIS MILITARY LEADERS , pulled all troops out.
Now we have the mid east in flames and Vlad calling the shots.
To call Obama's foreign policy a failure is an insult to the term failure.
Only the truly dumb can't see that.
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steamboat1 wrote:Iraq had their elections, their economy was growing, there was more peace and prosperity than most predicted. Between 2004 and 2011 their GDP increased almost 5 fold. Unemployment dropped from 28% to 15%. Poverty was reduced from 54% to 19% (using world bank's measure of poverty). Inflation dropped from 68% to 6%. Service growth was 8.2% (compared to 2% in USA).
There were no more US military deaths . There had been numerous, peaceful elections.
Then Obama , AGAINST THE ADVICE OF HIS MILITARY LEADERS , pulled all troops out.
Now we have the mid east in flames and Vlad calling the shots.
To call Obama's foreign policy a failure is an insult to the term failure.
Only the truly dumb can't see that.
don't forget the willfully ignorant....
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steamboat1 wrote:Iraq had their elections, their economy was growing, there was more peace and prosperity than most predicted. Between 2004 and 2011 their GDP increased almost 5 fold. Unemployment dropped from 28% to 15%. Poverty was reduced from 54% to 19% (using world bank's measure of poverty). Inflation dropped from 68% to 6%. Service growth was 8.2% (compared to 2% in USA).
There were no more US military deaths . There had been numerous, peaceful elections.
Then Obama , AGAINST THE ADVICE OF HIS MILITARY LEADERS , pulled all troops out.
Now we have the mid east in flames and Vlad calling the shots.
To call Obama's foreign policy a failure is an insult to the term failure.
Only the truly dumb can't see that.
:like Well said.
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