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Moral / ethical issues aside, I'm envisioning a market where Bernie and Hillary are setting prices for goods, placing price caps, and requesting financials / personnel information for companies :roll: :shock:
CEO who raised price of old pill more than $700 calls journalist a ‘moron’ for asking why
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By Ariana Eunjung Cha September 22 at 10:43 AM

Ever since an HIV/AIDS patient advocacy group began raising questions last week about why Turing Pharmaceuticals jacked up the price for a medication from $13.50 per pill to $750 overnight, anger against the company has been boiling over.

The medicine, Daraprim, which has been on the market for 62 years, is the standard of care for a food-borne illness called toxoplasmosis caused by a parasite that can severely affect those with compromised immune systems. Turing purchased the rights to the drug last month and almost immediately raised prices.

Alarmed consumers took to Reddit to call for a boycott of the company's products (with some pointing out that it's hard to boycott a drug if you'll die without it) and calling for new laws to prevent this kind of thing from happening in the future.

Judith Aberg, a spokeswoman for the HIV Medicine Association, has calculated that even patients with insurance could wind up paying $150 per pill out of pocket. “This is a tremendous increase,” she told USA Today.

The New York Times reported that Alberg's group and the Infectious Diseases Society of America wrote in a joint letter to Turing earlier this month complaining that the price increase is “unjustifiable for the medically vulnerable patient population” and “unsustainable for the health care system.”

The news even got the attention of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton, who called the pricing "outrageous" and promised that she had a plan to take on the issue. Clinton is scheduled to unveil a highly anticipated drug pricing proposal Tuesday.

The tweet drew strong reaction from Wall Street, sending the Nasdaq biotech index down 4.41 percent on Monday.

Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, an independent senator from Vermont, and Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.) drew Turing into an already ongoing congressional investigation into recent drug price increases, sending a letter on Monday asking for information about total gross revenues from sales of Daraprim; prices paid for all sales; the prices in foreign markets; and the identity of company official(s) responsible for setting the price.

“The enormous, overnight price increase for Daraprim is just the latest in a long list of skyrocketing price increases for certain critical medications,” Sanders and Cummings said. “Americans should not have to live in fear that they will die or go bankrupt because they cannot afford to take the life-saving medication they need.”

Turing spokesman Craig Rothenberg has said the company will use the money from the sales to further research treatments for toxoplasmosis, which he said has long been neglected. He also said the firm had plans to invest in marketing and education tools to raise awareness of the disease — a reasonable and reasoned answer, but one that has been unsatisfactory for many.

John Carroll, the editor of Fierce Biotech, a daily newsletter about the industry, was one of the first to ask Turing chief executive Martin Shkreli directly to explain the move. In a hot-headed Twitter exchange over the weekend, Shkreli declined to provide additional information and instead launched into a series of personal attacks against Carroll — calling him "irrelevant" and someone who doesn't "think logically.

Shkreli also took the time to respond to questions by other commentators who jumped into the conversation:

On Monday and again Tuesday morning, Shkreli made the rounds on TV news shows explaining his company's position. On "CBS This Morning," he appeared clean-shaven, with his normally unruly hair slicked back and in a suit jacket and collared shirt, and explained that the drug was unprofitable at the old price.

"Any company selling it would be losing money," he said. "At this price it's a reasonable profit, not excessive at all." When the reporter said that the price hike appears to be "greedy," Shkreli said his motivations are actually the opposite.

"I can see how it looks greedy but I think there's a lot of altruistic properties to it," he said, smiling. Shkreli said that's because the company is dedicated to the treatment and cure of toxoplasmosis.

"With these new profits," he explained, "we can spend all of that upside on these patients who sorely need a new drug, in my opinion."

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Big pharma net profit margins tend to be around 20%. For an extremely low volume drug, what's the big deal if a private company sells the drug at 20 to 30% net profit margin? Or even 100% net profit margin? The patents on this drug expired ages ago. If this company charges too much and there is a market for it, somebody else will step in and manufacture it.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Moral / ethical issues aside, I'm envisioning a market where Bernie and Hillary are setting prices for goods, placing price caps, and requesting financials / personnel information for companies :roll: :shock:
Yeah, price controls worked really well for Nixon and Carter in the 70's, didn't they. OH before your time, so read up on it.

DAMN, said Clinton instead of carter. DOAH!
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Yeah, let's not do what the rest of the civilized world is doing where it's working fine and the percentage of GDP that healthcare makes up is half what we have here. :roll:


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F it. Who cares about the health of others. Capitalism is all that matters.
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Didn't Obamacare take care of that?

Guess not.

Maybe, just maybe it has to do with lawsuits brought against pharmaceutical companies in this country as opposed to other countries.

Nah couldn't be.
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deadheadskier wrote:Yeah, let's not do what the rest of the civilized world is doing where it's working fine and the percentage of GDP that healthcare makes up is half what we have here. :roll:
So the rest of the World has drugs that cost less than the US because gov't officials placed price caps on the drugs? Is it really that simple? Are the cost of other products, outside of drugs, different in other countries? Why?
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Well, I certainly know in Japan that they put profit controls in place on drugs, medical devices and equipment as a means of limiting the cost of medicine to society. HC makes up around 11% of their GDP compared to nearly 19% here in the US.

But besides pricing controls the other big difference is that the US and NZ are the only two countries in the world that allow direct to consumer marketing. That's a big money expense that gets passed onto those who need the drugs.
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But back to this little puke Martin. What I don't understand is why he isn't in jail for stock manipulation. It's been documented twice that he petitioned the FDA to not approve medical products which held up their approval and reduced their stock prices. He was shorting those stocks simultaneously. Never mind the ethics of potentially harming people's health to make a profit, that kind of practice should be completely illegal as stock manipulation.

There's a cold place down below for scumbags like Martin.
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deadheadskier wrote:Well, I certainly know in Japan that they put profit controls in place on drugs, medical devices and equipment as a means of limiting the cost of medicine to society. HC makes up around 11% of their GDP compared to nearly 19% here in the US.

But besides pricing controls the other big difference is that the US and NZ are the only two countries in the world that allow direct to consumer marketing. That's a big money expense that gets passed onto those who need the drugs.
So how much drug research is done in Japan?
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Japan ranks third in the world in drug innovation behind the US and the UK.
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deadheadskier wrote:Japan ranks third in the world in drug innovation behind the US and the UK.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication ... durability" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Interesting and certainly counterintuitive but I'd like to see some other studies to confirm.
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Bubba wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Japan ranks third in the world in drug innovation behind the US and the UK.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication ... durability" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Interesting and certainly counterintuitive but I'd like to see some other studies to confirm.
Maybe there is a lot of drug research in Japan, but the Pharma's manufacturing and selling branded drugs are primarily US/UK/Swiss based. Japan's largest Pharmas are Takeda and Otsuka, which have revenues of $16.2 and $8 billion, respectively. The two largest US-based Pharmas, J&J and Pfizer, spent over $16B in R&D alone in FY2014. Swiss Pharma Roche spent $10B. This compared to less than $8B on R&D combined for the two Japanese companies. When you're at the hospital or at the pharmacy, how many Japanese companies do you see on your prescriptions?

Maybe Japan pharma's are super innovative, have little R&D expenditures, and thus produce branded drugs that are low cost and don't generate significant revenue like the others? Something doesn't add up.
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Thought this was a great article and wanted to share ...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-u-s-pays-more-than-other-countries-for-drugs-1448939481 wrote:Why the U.S. Pays More Than Other Countries for Drugs
By JEANNE WHALEN
Updated Nov. 30, 2015 10:14 p.m. ET

Norway, an oil producer with one of the world’s richest economies, is an expensive place to live. A Big Mac costs $5.65. A gallon of gasoline costs $6.

But one thing is far cheaper than in the U.S.: prescription drugs.

A vial of the cancer drug Rituxan cost Norway’s taxpayer-funded health system $1,527 in the third quarter of 2015, while the U.S. Medicare program paid $3,678. An injection of the asthma drug Xolair cost Norway $463, which was 46% less than Medicare paid for it.

Drug prices in the U.S. are shrouded in mystery, obscured by confidential rebates, multiple middlemen and the strict guarding of trade secrets. But for certain drugs—those paid for by Medicare Part B—prices are public. By stacking these against pricing in three foreign health systems, as discovered in nonpublic and public data, The Wall Street Journal was able to pinpoint international drug-cost differences and what lies behind them.

What it found, in the case of Norway, was that U.S. prices were higher for 93% of 40 top branded drugs available in both countries in the third quarter. Similar patterns appeared when U.S. prices were compared with those in England and Canada’s Ontario province. Throughout the developed world, branded prescription drugs are generally cheaper than in the U.S.

The upshot is Americans fund much of the global drug industry’s earnings, and its efforts to find new medicines. “The U.S. is responsible for the majority of profits for most large pharmaceutical companies,” said Richard Evans, a health-care analyst at SSR LLC and a former pricing official at drug maker Roche Holding AG.

The reasons the U.S. pays more are rooted in philosophical and practical differences in the way its health system provides benefits, in the drug industry’s political clout and in many Americans’ deep aversion to the notion of rationing.

The state-run health systems in Norway and many other developed countries drive hard bargains with drug companies: setting price caps, demanding proof of new drugs’ value in comparison to existing ones and sometimes refusing to cover medicines they doubt are worth the cost.

The government systems also are the only large drug buyers in most of these countries, giving them substantial negotiating power. The U.S. market, by contrast, is highly fragmented, with bill payers ranging from employers to insurance companies to federal and state governments.

Medicare, the largest single U.S. payer for prescription drugs, is by law unable to negotiate pricing. For Medicare Part B, companies report the average price at which they sell medicines to doctors’ offices or to distributors that sell to doctors. By law, Medicare adds 6% to these prices before reimbursing the doctors. Beneficiaries are responsible for 20% of the cost.

The arrangement means Medicare is essentially forfeiting its buying power, leaving bargaining to doctors’ offices that have little negotiating heft, said Sean Sullivan, dean of the School of Pharmacy at the University of Washington.

Asked to comment on the higher prices Medicare pays compared with foreign countries, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services said: “The payment rate for Medicare Part B drugs is specified in statute.”

In the U.S., few payers, public or private, cite cost as a reason to deny drug coverage, partly owing to a traditional emphasis in the U.S. on doctor and patient autonomy. “They don’t want to impinge on individual choices,” said Neeraj Sood, a health policy and economics expert at the University of Southern California.

Medicare Part B, for example, typically covers drugs and services deemed “reasonable and necessary.”

“If it’s a [Food and Drug Administration]-approved drug and prescribed by a duly licensed physician, Medicare will cover it,” said Gail Wilensky, who ran Medicare and Medicaid in the 1990s.

U.S. drug prices—showing regular increases, sometimes steep—are increasingly a focus of congressional probes and vocal criticism by insurers, doctors, politicians and consumers, who bear part of the cost.

Renee Andrews, an Oxford, Mich., resident whose son has juvenile arthritis and other conditions, said she can’t believe how low medication costs are for families overseas who post messages in her online support group. “Their out-of-pocket costs are considerably less than what we’re paying,” she said.

Research spending
The pharmaceutical industry says controls such as those seen in Europe discourage investment in research and deny patients access to some drugs. “The U.S. has a competitive biopharmaceutical marketplace that works to control costs while encouraging the development of new treatments and cures,” said Lori Reilly, an executive at the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a trade association.

If U.S. pricing fell to European levels, the industry would almost certainly cut its R&D spending, said Mr. Evans, the health-care analyst. “Does the U.S. subsidize global research? Absolutely, yes,” he said.

The higher U.S. prices also help drug makers afford hefty marketing budgets that in the U.S. include consumer advertising—something Europe doesn’t allow. Pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies in the S&P 1500 earn an average net profit margin of 16%, compared with an average of about 7% for all companies in the index, according to S&P Capital IQ.

For its analysis, the Journal started with Medicare Part B’s top drugs by payments to medical practices in 2013, the latest such data available. These are mostly drugs administered in a doctor’s office. Costs of drugs sold by U.S. pharmacies are harder to compare because of discounts and rebates.

After excluding drugs that faced generic competition in 2015 and those for which prices elsewhere weren’t available, the Journal compared 2015 third-quarter prices paid in the various jurisdictions. The analysis didn’t examine Medicare’s coverage of pharmacy-dispensed drugs, known as Part D, which is run by insurance companies that don’t reveal their pricing.

Some drugs, such as for HIV and hepatitis, cost less in certain overseas markets because companies cut prices for poor countries.

Norway is a wealthy nation, with gross domestic product per capita of $97,000 last year, versus $55,000 in the U.S., according to the World Bank.

In Norway the state pays for most prescription drugs, though patients pay for some used for short periods. The government controls costs in part by setting maximum prices. To do that, it reviews prices in nine neighboring countries and takes the average of the three lowest.

Cost-effectiveness
This system automatically holds prices low because the countries consulted also have government-controlled prices.

The Norwegian Medicines Agency, or NMA, then reviews patient data to decide whether a new drug is cost-effective. Its maker must request a reimbursement price at or under the maximum Norway has set and submit a detailed comparison of the drug’s cost and benefits versus existing treatments. Companies have teams of number crunchers to produce these comparisons, which can also prove useful in pitching products in the U.S.

Norway recommends that companies describe a drug’s cost per quality-adjusted life year, or QALY, a gauge used by many government health systems. Medicare is barred from using this gauge as a threshold to determining coverage.

Companies know Norway will sometimes deny coverage, and this threat is often “enough to get them to offer a discount,” said Kristin Svanqvist, head of reimbursement at the NMA. If rejected, they can offer a lower price.

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When Amgen Inc. and GlaxoSmithKline PLC sought coverage of the osteoporosis injection Prolia for certain women, the NMA concluded it wasn’t cost-effective compared with an existing infusion called Aclasta.

Aclasta is a different type of drug, a bisphosphonate. These have an advantage in binding to the bone, the NMA said in a 2011 report on Prolia, and protect against fractures for a longer time after treatment stops.

After Norway’s rejection, Amgen and Glaxo lowered Prolia’s price, according to Ms. Svanqvist. The NMA then ruled the health system would provide it for women 75 or older, for whom it appeared to work somewhat better, she said.

A syringe of Prolia cost Norway $260 in the third quarter. By the Journal analysis, that was 71% less than the $893 paid by Medicare, which doesn’t set an age test.

Amgen said, “We partner with local payers in Europe to help ensure that all appropriate patients who could benefit will have access to an important new therapy.” Glaxo referred questions to Amgen, to whom it sold Prolia’s Norwegian marketing rights in 2014.

If a manufacturer won’t budge on price, Norway might refuse to cover a drug altogether. It did that with a brand of insulin called Tresiba.

Producer Novo Nordisk A/S said Tresiba reduced nighttime dips in blood sugar better than other insulins and therefore was a good value. Ms. Svanqvist of the NMA called the documentation of this “quite lousy.”

“We think the reduction is actually quite low,” she said, and not “worth paying 70% more for.”

A spokesman for Novo Nordisk said it believes the drug provides better outcomes and is therefore cost-effective. He also said Norway didn’t ask the company to cut the price.

The way things often work, said Ms. Svanqvist, is that when drug companies are told a product isn’t cost-effective, they can provide more proof, and “if they don’t have better documentation they can only do something about the price. Very often they do something about the price.”

Denying patients access to drugs can be contentious. When Norway last year declined to cover Roche’s injected breast-cancer drug Perjeta because of its cost, “patients and physicians were on television and demonstrating a lot,” Ms. Svanqvist said. Roche agreed to a discount provided the NMA kept the terms confidential, which it grudgingly agreed to do, according to Ms. Svanqvist.

The agreement means Perjeta costs Norway less than the drug’s maximum allowed price in the country, which was $3,579 for a vial in the third quarter. Medicare paid $4,222.

Roche said Perjeta has shown strong efficacy, and the firm and Norway reached an agreement to make it available.

While U.S. payers sound dire warnings of unsustainable drug pricing, the tone in Oslo is much calmer. “We have a system that has been working quite well,” said Helga Festoy, an economist at the NMA.

Norway’s cost-effectiveness reviews sometimes cite the work of England’s health-care cost watchdog, known as one of Europe’s toughest. England’s National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, or NICE, conducts extensive analyses and recommends that the taxpayer-funded health system not cover drugs providing low value. Sometimes after one is rejected, its maker offers a discount.

England also controls prices by capping the level of National Health Service spending on drugs each year and requiring the pharmaceutical industry to reimburse the NHS for any spending over those limits.

Of 40 branded drugs covered by Medicare Part B and also available in England in the third quarter, 98% were more expensive in the U.S., according to the Journal’s analysis of data from Medicare and the NHS’s Business Services Authority.

For instance, two syringes of Cimzia, an anti-inflammatory for rheumatoid arthritis and other diseases, cost England’s health-care system $1,117—less than half the $2,357 Medicare paid, the Journal found. An NHS spokeswoman said prices it publishes are “indicative,” and vary in some situations.

Cimzia is sold by Belgian company UCB SA. It didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Canada doesn’t have a single large pharmaceutical payer, but drug prices are substantially lower nonetheless, held in check by regulation.

A federal agency called the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board sets a maximum price for new drugs, based on factors including their therapeutic benefits and the prices in seven other countries—the U.S. and six European ones. Once a drug’s maximum price is set, the maker can’t raise it faster than the national inflation rate or above the highest price in the seven other countries.

A separate body, the Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health, recommends whether provincial and other government health programs should cover new drugs for the elderly or for low-income residents. Government agencies in Canada don’t cover most drug costs for most other people.

One such program is run by Ontario’s Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care. Of 30 drugs that both it and Medicare Part B covered in the third quarter, 93% were more expensive in the U.S., according to the Journal’s analysis.

Countries with national health systems tend to feel “we are all in this together” and “we can’t afford everything for everybody at any price,” said Steven Pearson, a physician who founded the Institute for Clinical and Economic Review, a Boston nonprofit that evaluates the cost-effectiveness of health care. “In America it’s more, ‘Well, I’ve paid my insurance premium and I don’t want anyone to tell me no. I don’t want anyone to get in the way of me and my doctor.’ ”
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Saw footage of this guy getting hauled off to court on a multi-co Ponzi scheme.
His entire enterprise appears to be a house of cards. Moron is as moron does...
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