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deadheadskier
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:The Veteran's Administration is a prime example of failure, yet some still wish that for all of us.
Are you so sure our veterans are receiving lesser care than the civilian population?

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Lesser care? I'm not sure. Less timely? Yes. http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-16-328
GAO found that not all newly enrolled veterans were able to access primary care from the Department of Veterans Affairs' (VA) Veterans Health Administration (VHA), and others experienced wide variation in the amount of time they waited for care. Sixty of the 180 newly enrolled veterans in GAO's review had not been seen by providers at the time of the review; nearly half were unable to access primary care because VA medical center staff did not schedule appointments for these veterans in accordance with VHA policy. The 120 newly enrolled veterans in GAO's review who were seen by providers waited from 22 days to 71 days from their requests that VA contact them to schedule appointments to when they were seen, according to GAO's analysis. These time frames were impacted by limited appointment availability and weaknesses in medical center scheduling practices, which contributed to unnecessary delays.
Small sample size, but the number of failures within it suggest a pervasive issue at the VA - one that's not acceptable to me. Today, I can call my doctor and walk in the same day for treatment.
And what has been proposed? Outsourcing care to more expensive civilian hospitals to clear the back log created by recent wars.

Sure sounds like fiscal conservatism to me. Let's pick the most expensive option and stick it to the tax payer because gosh darn it my ideology tells me that private industry is always run more efficiently.

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deadheadskier wrote:What's that you say madhatter? Oh right! It turns out it's you who is forcing an ideology on others and are unwilling to objectively look at facts and data that point to a more affordable solution with equal or better outcomes.

You haven't brought a single fact to the table. Just, "My wife and brother had good experiences with their care."those ARE facts...

I'm glad someone brought up the VHA. As I pointed out, the quality of care compares favorably. Did you also know for that same quality the cost is vastly cheaper and the health system run more efficiently than civilian hospitals? wait what? the VA is run better?

You're someone who clearly doesn't like to acquire knowledge and won't look it up, but why don't you go compare costs between the VA and Civilian hospitals.

Why?

Well for one, the VA isn't spending billions upon billions of dollars on advertising like civilian hospitals.

The cost of basic services is standardized. The cost of an MRI as an example is the same no matter where you go.

Billing is streamlined and simplified compared with civilian hospitals because the government is the only customer.

From a vendor perspective I can tell you the VHA pays less for equipment (at least cardiac monitoring equipment) than civilian hospitals.

But, by all means, keep drinking those extra large cups of stupid every morning and forcing YOUR IDEOLOGY on others.
you keep talking about overall costs, as if that matters to me ( or most people) the collective national cost of going out to dinner is of no real concern to me either, as my own expenses may differ greatly...

any VETS here prefer the VA over private care?

here's another FACT mrs hatters brother is a career military man, he is therefore govt property and is not allowed to see a civilian dr...whatever treatment they give or don't give him he HAS to accept that...I'll take freedom of choice over whatever snake oil yer peddling...

what am I forcing on others? do tell... cuz do what you want and afford em the same, sure doesn't sound like forcing anyone to do anything...I don't think anyone here feels as though you've crafted a single argument that made anyone see things your way...that's a win for me...

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DHS you simply need to learn to accept NO as an anwser, you do;t have to like it but the answer is still the same

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Blah, blah, blah

I'm madhatter and I want to force my ideology on everyone. I don't know sh*t about healthcare and I will completely ignore all facts because the right way is my Rush Limbaugh ideology.

In madhatter world 2+2= whatever the hell I want it to be. Facts, logic and reason don't matter to me, so they shouldn't matter to others
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while you imagine anyone unwilling to sign on to your great plan is stupid , did ya ever stop to think that yer too stupid to present a supposedly great thing in a way that compels others to agree w you?

as you continually spew " if it's so great you wouldn't have tell anyone about it, they'd already know..."

gotta get ready fer skiing, lots to do...ya coming over for some bumps, beers and bbq?

cya there....
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deadheadskier wrote:Blah, blah, blah

I'm madhatter and I want to force my ideology on everyone. I don't know sh*t about healthcare and I will completely ignore all facts because the right way is my Rush Limbaugh ideology.

In madhatter world 2+2= whatever the hell I want it to be. Facts, logic and reason don't matter to me, so they shouldn't matter to others
what am I forcing on others? do tell...

FYI we don;t get rush here....never listened to him in CT either... as always you have no idea wtf you are talking about, create your own strawhatter, then rail on it... impressive...


even IF your "facts" on cost were 100% accurate they still aren't a metric that overly concerns me...just like the national cost for going to the movies doesn't affect me, my expenses differ... I am HAPPY w the insurance and care I get now...that is a FACT...I'm not interested in or looking for something different...thanks but no thanks...

let me know when a single person here "converts" to your side...til then you s/b able to see the writing on the wall...
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A desire for more expensive and lesser quality healthcare based on your ideology despite overwhelming data you choose to ignore pointing to more efficient methods of delivering better quality care.

You would rather pay more for less and think everyone else should to.

You have provided zero facts or data, only "I like it this way." Well, unfortunately for you, we live in a society of 300+ million people. You are just one (Incredibly uninformed) voice.
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deadheadskier wrote:A desire for more expensive and lesser quality healthcare based on your ideology despite overwhelming data you choose to ignore pointing to more efficient methods of delivering better quality care.this is your opinion, you expect me ( and others) to ignore real life experience in favor of data that suggest something different...

You would rather pay more for less and think everyone else should to.everyone else can do whatever they want, I don't feel as though I am paying more for less, if you do , don;t do that...go get that better deal...

You have provided zero facts or data, only "I like it this way." Well, unfortunately for you, we live in a society of 300+ million people. You are just one (Incredibly uninformed) voice.
you've still convinced no one...

DHS- 0 4 ever
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deadheadskier wrote:I'm glad someone brought up the VHA. As I pointed out, the quality of care compares favorably. Did you also know for that same quality the cost is vastly cheaper and the health system run more efficiently than civilian hospitals?
So I guess you know something the GAO doesn't about timeliness? I consider number of days it takes to see a doctor as pretty inefficient. Is that the type of care you want?

A friend of mines son had weakness on his right side one morning. They went to the doctor the same day, was rushed to the local hospital, and then to one of the best cancer centers all in a single day. That's the type off access I want for my friends and family. I can't imagine the impact of postponing a critical doctors visit weeks or months. Maybe you can.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:I'm glad someone brought up the VHA. As I pointed out, the quality of care compares favorably. Did you also know for that same quality the cost is vastly cheaper and the health system run more efficiently than civilian hospitals?
So I guess you know something the GAO doesn't about timeliness? I consider number of days it takes to see a doctor as pretty inefficient. Is that the type of care you want?

A friend of mines son had weakness on his right side one morning. They went to the doctor the same day, was rushed to the local hospital, and then to one of the best cancer centers all in a single day. That's the type off access I want for my friends and family. I can't imagine the impact of postponing a critical doctors visit weeks or months. Maybe you can.
yer not allowed to draw on your real world experience, just trust the data....
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deadheadskier wrote:Blah, blah, blah

I'm madhatter and I want to force my ideology on everyone.
Typical liberal, accusing others of doing exactly what they themselves are doing.
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madhatter wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:A desire for more expensive and lesser quality healthcare based on your ideology despite overwhelming data you choose to ignore pointing to more efficient methods of delivering better quality care.this is your opinion, you expect me ( and others) to ignore real life experience in favor of data that suggest something different...

You would rather pay more for less and think everyone else should to.everyone else can do whatever they want, I don't feel as though I am paying more for less, if you do , don;t do that...go get that better deal...

You have provided zero facts or data, only "I like it this way." Well, unfortunately for you, we live in a society of 300+ million people. You are just one (Incredibly uninformed) voice.
you've still convinced no one...

DHS- 0 4 ever
Wow are you the biggest retard on the internet.

You've brought nothing to the table, but opinions and ignorance. Your ideology blinds you from acknowledging facts and statistics about healthcare costs and quality.

Bet if your boy Trump shared the same data as I did, you'd hop lockstep in line like the good little sheep you are.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:I'm glad someone brought up the VHA. As I pointed out, the quality of care compares favorably. Did you also know for that same quality the cost is vastly cheaper and the health system run more efficiently than civilian hospitals?
So I guess you know something the GAO doesn't about timeliness? I consider number of days it takes to see a doctor as pretty inefficient. Is that the type of care you want?

A friend of mines son had weakness on his right side one morning. They went to the doctor the same day, was rushed to the local hospital, and then to one of the best cancer centers all in a single day. That's the type off access I want for my friends and family. I can't imagine the impact of postponing a critical doctors visit weeks or months. Maybe you can.

A. Do you think the experience your friend had with his son is shared by all civilians?

B. You do realize that in such cases as your friends son, a Vet can go to the ED and bypass that appointment process. Also, you do realize that these issues weren't a problem at the VA in the 90s after Clinton overhauled the system and that what's going on today is a Republican Congress underfunding the system during a time of escalated need because of war in the Middle East?
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deadheadskier wrote:Wow I'm the biggest retard on the internet.
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steamboat1 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Wow I'm the biggest retard on the internet.
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If you were a Vet, your Viagra would be far cheaper Grandpa
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deadheadskier wrote:what's going on today is a Republican Congress underfunding the system during a time of escalated need because of war in the Middle East?
The numbers show the VA has hardly been strapped for cash. Funding for the VA has gone up 57 percent since 2008. And at facilities where the worst abuses occurred, such as Phoenix, funding was ample enough to finance lavish bonuses for the very officials who should have been held accountable for harming veterans. Across the country, the problem has not been a lack of funds but terrible misuses of taxpayer funds that were already directed to help veterans get the care they need.

Moreover, the problems at the VA are not understaffed and overburdened hospitals as much as poor management and a lack of accountability and oversight. While funding increased 57 percent since 2008 the number of patients treated at VA facilities went up only 13.8 percent. In other words, funding growth outpaced the growth in patient load by a more than four to one margin.

Also during this time period, the number of full-time physicians at the VA went up 40 percent – again, far more than the patient load. And these significant funding increases went through even though VA doctors, on average, see half as many patients as their private sector counterparts. Poor management is a problem more funding won’t solve.


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