Trump Presidency

[freeski]

Eric Trump said something like we're not going to be pushed around by Russia. He needs to shut up. Conflict with Russia could have unimaginable consequences. We elected Trump not his family. Leave the policy statements to the pros.

Also, Nikki Haley is doing a great job.

[madhatter]

good grief obama and the left are the epitome of idiocracy...FYI we were never a democracy but a democratic republic...and therein lies the problem, the left wants mob rule via a simple majority and that's not going to happen... yeah, like SCOTUS nominations

again it's kinda hard to put any stock in your comments here, seeing as I know you and know you are plenty smart enough to understand exactly what spicer said...with that said who exactly are the "idiots"here? those who comprehend what spicer meant? or those who pretend to be ( or perhaps truly are) completely incapable of it?

It appears Spicer meant "Assad bad man, real bad man, bigly bad, believe me, bad dude. Now, just in time for Passoveroh no passover, as important to non-jews as your birthday is to someone in china...BFD..., please listen to me make more of an ass out of myself than humanly possible"who cares what the left thinks? we already get it they hate anything and everything right...again exactly how many trump voters do you think are swayed by this emotionally driven line of attack? less than zero is probably accurate...

yeah OK, so like federal circuit judges? except that in both cases there is a legal option that was exercised vs the media shout down and protests over having lost an election...ridiculous false comparison that fools no one but fools...


this game has become incredibly tiresome and exasperating...if the left is going to intentionally misunderstand and if there is going to be no possibility of dialogue between left and right then the right may as well just run the left over and relegate them to irrelevancy, which is what the left has been trying ( and failing) to do to the right for quite some time now...

[Coydog]

this game has become incredibly tiresome and exasperating...if the left is going to intentionally misunderstand and if there is going to be no possibility of dialogue between left and right then the right may as well just run the left over and relegate them to irrelevancy, which is what the left has been trying ( and failing) to do to the right for quite some time now...

factcheck.org

Mitt Romney and his allies have attacked President Barack Obama — often out of context — for saying, “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

American Crossroads posted a 60-second Web video called “Build” that shows small-business owners reacting to Obama’s “you didn’t build that” comment.

The Romney campaign replays Obama saying “if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that” five times in a 15-second video as part of a “petition” drive. It also uses the quote in an email fundraising appeal.

Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts posted a two-and-a-half-minute Web video that juxtaposes the president’s remarks against statements made by other presidents on the importance of free enterprise.

There’s no question Obama inartfully phrased those two sentences, but it’s clear from the context what the president was talking about. He spoke of government — including government-funded education, infrastructure and research — assisting businesses to make what he called “this unbelievable American system that we have.”

In summary, he said: “The point is … that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

[madhatter]

this game has become incredibly tiresome and exasperating...if the left is going to intentionally misunderstand and if there is going to be no possibility of dialogue between left and right then the right may as well just run the left over and relegate them to irrelevancy, which is what the left has been trying ( and failing) to do to the right for quite some time now...

factcheck.org

Mitt Romney and his allies have attacked President Barack Obama — often out of context — for saying, “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”hardly...

American Crossroads posted a 60-second Web video called “Build” that shows small-business owners reacting to Obama’s “you didn’t build that” comment.

The Romney campaign replays Obama saying “if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that” five times in a 15-second video as part of a “petition” drive. It also uses the quote in an email fundraising appeal.

Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts posted a two-and-a-half-minute Web video that juxtaposes the president’s remarks against statements made by other presidents on the importance of free enterprise.

There’s no question Obama inartfully phrased those two sentences, but it’s clear from the context what the president was talking about. He spoke of government — including government-funded education, infrastructure and research — assisting businesses to make what he called “this unbelievable American system that we have.”

In summary, he said: “The point is … that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

WRONG!!!!business/private sector builds govt not the other way around...for govt to do anything it must first take from some one else as it creates nothing on it's own...glad you brought this up...the media also spent countless hundreds of hours clarifying on hopey dopes behalf...and warren expanded on his idiotic communist/socialist remarks....so spare me the BS comparison....

now if ya wanna compare it to 57 states then I can concur...

[madhatter]

meanwhile back in the real world our president continues to do his job...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-1 ... e-escalate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Coydog]

WRONG!!!!business/private sector builds govt not the other way around...for govt to do anything it must first take from some one else as it creates nothing on it's own...glad you brought this up...the media also spent countless hundreds of hours clarifying on hopey dopes behalf...and warren expanded on his idiotic communist/socialist remarks....so spare me the BS comparison....

Obama, July 13: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.

He certainly sounds like a Kenyan communist, at least to those on the right who intentionally misunderstand.

[XtremeJibber2001]

meanwhile back in the real world our president continues to do his job...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-1 ... e-escalate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lots of talk and saber rattling. Wonder if Trump said he would put import tariffs on Chinese goods if they don't handle the NK issue.

[madhatter]

WRONG!!!!business/private sector builds govt not the other way around...for govt to do anything it must first take from some one else as it creates nothing on it's own...glad you brought this up...the media also spent countless hundreds of hours clarifying on hopey dopes behalf...and warren expanded on his idiotic communist/socialist remarks....so spare me the BS comparison....

Obama, July 13: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. again his entire spiel was poorly worded not just one phrase...The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.cuz no one in the private sector could have done that....

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. clearly w/o govt none of those things would be possible We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.pure collectivism and politics of envy...not even an attempt to disguise it...

He certainly sounds like a Kenyan nice add for flavor communist, at least to those on the right who intentionally misunderstand.

read his fvcking books...he certainly holds marxist, collectivist, race based, politics of envy, punish the wealthy to reward the poor social justice views designed not to solve problems but to exacerbate them and pin them on a scapegoat ( white, wealthy males) in order to attempt a total power grab and for no other reason than that...he's also a snarky demeaning @sshole which he definitely did all on his own, intentionally...your comparison of an over reaching policy objective continually reinforced at every turn as collectivism and the need for everyone to pay their "fair share" etc vs a one time comparison of one atrocious war criminal to another is pathetic...why do you even bother w this ridiculous crap you yourself don't even remotely believe? it's hard to understand...again it's why the D's have lost 1000+ seats nationally both houses the oval office and hold very few state governorships...

and again if you want to compare it to 57 states, I agree...otherwise not even close...



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[Bubba]

read his fvcking books...he certainly holds marxist, collectivist, race based, politics of envy, punish the wealthy to reward the poor social justice views designed not to solve problems but to exacerbate them and pin them on a scapegoat ( white, wealthy males) in order to attempt a total power grab and for no other reason than that...he's also a snarky demeaning @sshole which he definitely did all on his own, intentionally...your comparison of an over reaching policy objective continually reinforced at every turn as collectivism and the need for everyone to pay their "fair share" etc vs a one time comparison of one atrocious war criminal to another is pathetic...why do you even bother w this ridiculous crap you yourself don't even remotely believe? it's hard to understand...again it's why the D's have lost 1000+ seats nationally both houses the oval office and hold very few state governorships...

Have you actually read his books?

[Bubba]

Shocking!!!

Trump's budget director said his boss exaggerated when he promised to eliminate the federal debt

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[madhatter]

read his fvcking books...he certainly holds marxist, collectivist, race based, politics of envy, punish the wealthy to reward the poor social justice views designed not to solve problems but to exacerbate them and pin them on a scapegoat ( white, wealthy males) in order to attempt a total power grab and for no other reason than that...he's also a snarky demeaning @sshole which he definitely did all on his own, intentionally...your comparison of an over reaching policy objective continually reinforced at every turn as collectivism and the need for everyone to pay their "fair share" etc vs a one time comparison of one atrocious war criminal to another is pathetic...why do you even bother w this ridiculous crap you yourself don't even remotely believe? it's hard to understand...again it's why the D's have lost 1000+ seats nationally both houses the oval office and hold very few state governorships...

Have you actually read his books?

skimmed one, wife read the whole thing, that was more than enough for me...done PLENTY of research on him, his background, his associates and watched 8 years of his BS...the pattern has been very consistent...

just like I voted for perot, we both looked into obama as a non mainstream politician with promise to change the status quo...I also never liked trump, the apprentice or "you're fired" but as trump consistently batted aside the establishment and media attacks it became obvious that he was the only candidate from either party that actually wanted the job so he could do it to the very best of his ability...all the rest were entrenched career politicians who were totally in it for themselves and what they could gain...


see here:

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obama had an opportunity to be THE most influential president of the modern era...He was given a mandate to prove that race was NOT a factor...instead he chose division at every opportunity...every chance he got he pitted race against race, citizens against police, men against women, even neighbor against neighbor, friend against friend and family against family...even worse skier against skier...He belittled and derided any and all opposition flat out dismissing their concerns and encouraged his supporters to do the same...

He rammed thru the ACA in the most dubious manner,with zero republican support, lying about the fact that it was knowingly destined to fail..He dismissed concerns from the opposition by telling them he won and to go sit in the back of the bus... and he doubled down on this blatant disregard during every seemingly 8 yr long campaign stop, reaching an angry fever pitch in his desperate last 2 week support of clinton ( really only to save his own legacy from the toilet) lecturing and deriding the strawmen he spent his entire presidency defining half of the country as...

Obama had the opportunity to unite the country, it's WHY he was elected...He chose to pursue a strategy of divide and conquer whereby he would destroy the opposition party forever...He greatly overplayed his hand and his entire legacy will be reduced to just that...A man who was given it all,overplayed his hand and ended up with nothing...

no one to blame but yourselves...you built this...

while I didn't vote for obama and certainly didn;t buy into his "share the wealth" joe the plumber comment I still held out hope that perhaps the guy would be a good president even if not the president I wanted...but it didn't take long for the above to materialize and long before he ran for re-election I truly despised him for the divisive power hungry "ends justify the means" snarky lying sack of $hit he is...


I have no doubt that he was fully aware of what was going on at teh IRS and what was happened w FISA warrants...of course he claimed he "heard about it on the news" or that there was " not one smidgeon of corruption" or that it was "ridiculous to think that we'd give iran ransom money" etc


and now that HRC and her cronies aren;t there to cover up what obama did it's only a matter of time before it comes out...

even worse than obama himself was the legacy he left behind, one that said to his sycophants that it's perfectly ok to attack ridicule and destroy by any means any and all opposition to the "good hate", social justice must be served and that the ends justify the means....he's left that indelible stain on everything he's touched...

history will regard obama thusly:

A man who was given it all,overplayed his hand and ended up with nothing..

[madhatter]

and this

overplayed his hand, BIGLY...all for the reasons I stated in my original post...I didn't vote for him because of his associations with bill ayers and more so van jones...the project STORM manifesto and jones subsequent appointment as green jobs czar ensured I could never trust obama...many of the issues he chose to exploit I was willing to entertain and resolve...RESOLVE not be forced into submitting to...

in the end obama sought to divide off a winning coalition and silence the voice of the rest into irrelevance... but 50.1 vs 49.9 isn't enough of an advantage to ensure victory...and we now have donald trump, senate majority, house majority, a majority of state govts and soon to be an overwhelming advantage in the supreme court...we also have a new republican party that can only be described as populist-republicans...any internal attempt to define it strictly as solely republican will ensure it follows in the dems footsteps...

on to trump and where he needs to go when he gets down to it...


open up interstate competition in a repeal replace ACA and you can virtually be assured that the majority of current ACA people find a more tailored package that better suits their budget, simply because they are allowed to choose....do that and you have a BIG WIN, tremendous win....so big people will be sick of winning....gonna have to keep trying there so far it hasn't panned out...it's also been lees than 90 days since he took office...

refuse to engage in SJW issues in any way, nothing for or against...none of that stuff has any place in the fed gov and is of no concern to any CEO trying to run a business...for the most part it's been a non issue though there have been some rollbacks of certain things based on states rights... I don;t pay much attn to shriekgin over SJW issues anyway, but haven;t seen any big legislation or EO's on SJW issues...

make his first supreme court appointment a virtual shoo in...he did, but the left is so bitter of losing the election and the garland denial that they refused to confirm a qualified nominee...we all know how that turned out...

immediately get coal country up and running while retaining clean coal standards that make sense...from what I've seen he;s making headway there...

border security -- he needs to make a strong yet clearly humanitarian impact here right away...border crossings are WAY down...

I wanna see clinton face the music but trump should not focus his time and energy on this particularly early on other than to appoint a new AG and have that person instruct comey to re-open the investigation and go over everything with a fine tooth comb, twice...then wash his hands and work on what really needs to be done...still too many embedded lackeys in positions of power to do anything with this right now...comey seems to be covering his own @ss more than anything else...he sux for both sides...just an obstructionist preventing any kind of factual investigation...

many disagree with trumps blustery rhetoric, critics take him literally but never seriously while proponents take him seriously but never literally...( I paraphrased that from somewhere) but it appears that he may know a thing or two about "the art of the deal" as world leaders seem rather willing and maybe even eager to work with him...he won't be going to the negotiation table with his hand exposed and all his chips on the table trying to call a bluff...I honestly expect him to excel in this area...thus far it seems that his meeting have gone well...time will tell...

press communications-- I expect to see a lot more of trump as time goes on vs months on end w/o a press conference... I also expect to not see him do this til later in his first year, taking an all business approach...we're still not later in his first year but spicer said hitler so he s/b imprisoned for life or something I guess...

Say what you want about him but his work ethic and drive is exemplary...his absolute desire for success is unparalleled and success as president of the united states for donald trump means making america great again an undeniable truth...tall order indeed but as evidenced he's not afraid of hard work in the face of long odds.


I'm madhatter and I approve this message...

lots going on w NK, syria etc...anyone's guess as to where this all goes...can;t see any real good coming out of this unless NK collapses like a rag doll when exposed...any kind of nuke or WMD attack by NK that has a high success rate will ensure pandemonium and chaos worldwide...nothing good can come of the in the short term, perhaps not even in the long term...

[Coydog]

Let me see if I have this straight:

The Gump "Administration" makes an utterly absurd statement about Hitler not using chemical weapons on his own people and we’re suppose to ignore what they actually say and accept some sort of after the fact, spin doctored meaning intended to seem plausible. If we take Gump at his word, this is willful misinterpretation practiced only by the left.

Obama makes simple statements referring to government funded things like teachers and roads that help make entrepreneurship possible and that neither government nor the private sector can do everything on its own. The right then takes these statements out of context ("To say that Steve Jobs didn’t build Apple, that Henry Ford didn’t build Ford Motors, that Papa John didn’t build Papa John Pizza ... To say something like that, it’s not just foolishness. It’s insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America" – Mitt Romney) and proceeds to, um, "build" an entire (failed) presidential campaign around it. But that’s not willful misinterpretation because we all know only the left does that.

Sheesh

[Coydog]

lots going on w NK, syria etc...anyone's guess as to where this all goes...can;t see any real good coming out of this unless NK collapses like a rag doll when exposed...any kind of nuke or WMD attack by NK that has a high success rate will ensure pandemonium and chaos worldwide...nothing good can come of the in the short term, perhaps not even in the long term...

Guess what? Elections have consequences way beyond dinner.

[madhatter]

Let me see if I have this straight:

The Gump "Administration" makes an utterly absurd statement about Hitler not using chemical weapons on his own people and we’re suppose to ignore what they actually say and accept some sort of after the fact, spin doctored meaning intended to seem plausible. If we take Gump at his word, this is willful misinterpretation practiced only by the left.

Obama makes simple statements referring to government funded things like teachers and roads that help make entrepreneurship possible and that neither government nor the private sector can do everything on its own. The right then takes these statements out of context ("To say that Steve Jobs didn’t build Apple, that Henry Ford didn’t build Ford Motors, that Papa John didn’t build Papa John Pizza ... To say something like that, it’s not just foolishness. It’s insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America" – Mitt Romney) and proceeds to, um, "build" an entire (failed) presidential campaign around it. But that’s not willful misinterpretation because we all know only the left does that.

Sheesh

almost...

I hear all this, you know, 'Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever.' No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless — keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.

Obama later echoed Warren's thoughts when he spoke in Roanoke, Virginia about how private businesses rely on government investments in infrastructure.[13][14] In her victory speech on November 6, 2012, Elizabeth Warren made a callback, stating it had been "an amazing campaign, and let me be clear, I didn't build that, you built that."[15]

In September 2011, philosopher Stephen Hicks posted an online rebuttal to Warren's thesis. He argued that Warren's claims and positions were untenable, writing, for example, that "Warren targets her argument only against the prosperous" and neglects that middle- and lower-income Americans also benefit from roads, education and police. He further asks if Warren's position is seriously intended to calculate social costs and benefits or is "meant to generate an unspecified debt claim and a blank check for politicians and the IRS to fill in," and that fundamentally Warren's position is little different from the ancient Greek concept of doulos (those who were enslaved to the government).[16]

politics of envy the only thing the left knows...fauxchahontas is a lying sack of $hit and so is obama... both worthless piles of crap...Fvck this rest of us paid for crap too as if the businesses and wealthy paid nothing and just waltzed in to take advantage of the infrastructure that the poor and middle class built for them...good grief you'd have to be moron to believe that...

so when you see that hopey dope expounded upon the screeching harpy's drivel it's pretty obvious that both of them are out of touch w reality...LONG before govt built infrastructure men with great drive, ambition and determination turned nothing into something...the govt later started taking from them in order to build more infrastructure which we ALL enjoy...