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Re: Trump Presidency

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Bubba wrote:Personally, I think both sides have failed. Obamacare is failing at an accelerating pace and the Democrats own it. The Republicans have had seven years to craft a replacement and failed to do so. Congress under Republican control will do little or nothing to shore up Obamacare and Democrats will not join with Republicans to fix it until "repeal" is replaced by "modify". Good luck with that. Meanwhile, Trump's promise of better care at lower cost has been proven humorous at best as he had no plan and only learned how complicated healthcare is after he took office. Oh well...
Failure is what doers do on the way to success. It's also what happens when you give up and otherwise would have succeeded. It's frequently hard to tell the difference until it's well in the rear view mirror.

The ultimate test of Obamacare is
►Do citizens want government between them and their doctor, or the insurance company between them and their doctor?
►Should there be a government mandate to buy a minimum policy?

I disagree on this talking point that "The Republicans have had seven years to craft a replacement and failed to do so. " You can't expect congress to work on a bill when they have no chance of passing it and knowing the circumstances will change year to year. That said, they've had since November and they clearly hadn't been laying any groundwork whatsoever among their caucus.

The more I use the medical system as it now stands, the more I'm convinced we're not even addressing the cost side of the equation. Yes, sell insurance across state lines. But also get rid of the infested pile of crap we refer to as "Group policies". That is the genesis of "we can't tell you what it costs because you have to get the code and find out what your plan pays." There is no ability to comparison shop without huge work and lots of arm twisting.

Should I drive to Rutland and get my knee done there or somewhere else? What's the cost difference? What does my prescription cost here vs there? Medical equipment is also a huge bloated mess where the insurance company feeds you to a medical supply company who charges 3 times the going rate on the open market. There should be zero ability for an insurance provider to tell you where to buy your medical needs as long as it isn't more expensive than their in house, Caribbean conference trip paid for preferred supplier.
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Mister Moose wrote:
Bubba wrote:Personally, I think both sides have failed. Obamacare is failing at an accelerating pace and the Democrats own it. The Republicans have had seven years to craft a replacement and failed to do so. Congress under Republican control will do little or nothing to shore up Obamacare and Democrats will not join with Republicans to fix it until "repeal" is replaced by "modify". Good luck with that. Meanwhile, Trump's promise of better care at lower cost has been proven humorous at best as he had no plan and only learned how complicated healthcare is after he took office. Oh well...
Failure is what doers do on the way to success. It's also what happens when you give up and otherwise would have succeeded. It's frequently hard to tell the difference until it's well in the rear view mirror.

The ultimate test of Obamacare is
►Do citizens want government between them and their doctor, or the insurance company between them and their doctor?
►Should there be a government mandate to buy a minimum policy?

I disagree on this talking point that "The Republicans have had seven years to craft a replacement and failed to do so. " You can't expect congress to work on a bill when they have no chance of passing it and knowing the circumstances will change year to year. That said, they've had since November and they clearly hadn't been laying any groundwork whatsoever among their caucus.

The more I use the medical system as it now stands, the more I'm convinced we're not even addressing the cost side of the equation. Yes, sell insurance across state lines. But also get rid of the infested pile of crap we refer to as "Group policies". That is the genesis of "we can't tell you what it costs because you have to get the code and find out what your plan pays." There is no ability to comparison shop without huge work and lots of arm twisting.

Should I drive to Rutland and get my knee done there or somewhere else? What's the cost difference? What does my prescription cost here vs there? Medical equipment is also a huge bloated mess where the insurance company feeds you to a medical supply company who charges 3 times the going rate on the open market. There should be zero ability for an insurance provider to tell you where to buy your medical needs as long as it isn't more expensive than their in house, Caribbean conference trip paid for preferred supplier.
obamacare was designed to FAIL and bring about single payer and it would have if only hillary had been installed as obamas successor...the one size fits all, covers all, insurance plan simply spreads the cost of high risk to everyone....which of course drives premiums through the roof...at 1500 bux a month for insurance one could place those premiums in an HSA, spend out of it to cover preventative care and purchase a catastrophic or supplemental plan ( if one were allowed)...in 6 years one would have over 100k in HSA account... vs having zero if that same money were spent on premiums...can't let that happen....
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Re: Trump Presidency

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madhatter wrote:sure and left is right, right is wrong and hillary won in a landslide...

I really don;t understand what your argument is? the D's were going to keep obamacare and trump was going to repeal it...you either wanted trump to repeal it and you are upset that he didn't or you wanted it to stay and you are happy about it...though I dunno maybe lefty land is like "win a championship land" where ya go out and rage violently to celebrate winning...I can't keep up, try to be more clear...

type 1 if you wanted to trump to win

type 2 if you wanted him to lose

type 3 if you are happy seeing him fail to pass his tax and HC agenda

type 4 if you want to see his HC and tax agenda passed

type 5 if your congressman is in line with your position on the HC and tax reform bills

type 6 if you realize that congress does not work for the president and that he cannot tell them what to do...

type nothing if you have no idea what any of that has to do with reality...
None of the above - purely comedic value.

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Re: Trump Presidency

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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:sure and left is right, right is wrong and hillary won in a landslide...

I really don;t understand what your argument is? the D's were going to keep obamacare and trump was going to repeal it...you either wanted trump to repeal it and you are upset that he didn't or you wanted it to stay and you are happy about it...though I dunno maybe lefty land is like "win a championship land" where ya go out and rage violently to celebrate winning...I can't keep up, try to be more clear...

type 1 if you wanted to trump to win

type 2 if you wanted him to lose

type 3 if you are happy seeing him fail to pass his tax and HC agenda

type 4 if you want to see his HC and tax agenda passed

type 5 if your congressman is in line with your position on the HC and tax reform bills

type 6 if you realize that congress does not work for the president and that he cannot tell them what to do...

type nothing if you have no idea what any of that has to do with reality...
None of the above - purely comedic value.as would be most of your comments of they wren;t so void of reality... if you want none of the above wtf are you bitching about? clearly you just want to whine, enjoy those sour grapes sore loser...

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wtf is it that you want? the D's passed the ACA by hook or by crook and could have done the same with immigration or any other thing they wanted to...clearly the R's are not made of the same cohesive scum that binds the D's...the D's and the left OWN groupthink, the ideology depends on absolute adherence to liberal dogma no matter what the consequences...the left is simply content to believe, whereas the right wants to see the proof...


the ACA had nothing to do with providing anything to the populace, it was designed to create a massive govt program and usher in a huge permanent tax...same w cap & trade....both were designed w the explicit goal of filling tax coffers and controlling the "plebes"...problem is, outside of the urban sh!tholes that kinda thing has little to no appeal...
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Re: Trump Presidency

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madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:sure and left is right, right is wrong and hillary won in a landslide...

I really don;t understand what your argument is? the D's were going to keep obamacare and trump was going to repeal it...you either wanted trump to repeal it and you are upset that he didn't or you wanted it to stay and you are happy about it...though I dunno maybe lefty land is like "win a championship land" where ya go out and rage violently to celebrate winning...I can't keep up, try to be more clear...

type 1 if you wanted to trump to win

type 2 if you wanted him to lose

type 3 if you are happy seeing him fail to pass his tax and HC agenda

type 4 if you want to see his HC and tax agenda passed

type 5 if your congressman is in line with your position on the HC and tax reform bills

type 6 if you realize that congress does not work for the president and that he cannot tell them what to do...

type nothing if you have no idea what any of that has to do with reality...
None of the above - purely comedic value.as would be most of your comments if they weren't so void of reality... if you want none of the above wtf are you bitching about? clearly you just want to whine, enjoy those sour grapes sore loser...

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wtf is it that you want? the D's passed the ACA by hook or by crook and could have done the same with immigration or any other thing they wanted to...clearly the R's are not made of the same cohesive scum that binds the D's...the D's and the left OWN groupthink, the ideology depends on absolute adherence to liberal dogma no matter what the consequences...the left is simply content to believe, whereas the right wants to see the proof...


the ACA had nothing to do with providing anything to the populace, it was designed to create a massive govt program and usher in a huge permanent tax...same w cap & trade....both were designed w the explicit goal of filling tax coffers and controlling the "plebes"...problem is, outside of the urban sh!tholes that kinda thing has little to no appeal...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-1 ... hate-trump" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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When the same research was conducted in 2009, it found that Obama's disapprovers primarily lacked faith in the president's policy and stance on specific issues. Gallup found that people who approve of Trump generally give him the thumbs up on a range of broad issues including the president's general performance, as well as policies and personality.
Trump's low approval ratings are being driven by his unconventional style and non-normative pattern of White House behaviour rather than his actual policies and views. According to Gallup, the president is highly unlikely to alter his behavior and style, meaning his detractors are unlikely to change their minds about him.
and that's why none of us give a crap what any of you "think" cuz ya don't actually think, you simply go w the groupthink mob mentality....

ya got ta do what they told ya....enjoy that good hate...
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back to that tax thing
HISTORY LESSON ON YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CARD
Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn’t know this. It’s easy to check out, if you don’t believe it. Be sure and show it to your family and friends. They need a little history lesson on what’s what and it doesn’t matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts.
Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes.
Since nearly everyone in the United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION message was removed.
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. His promises are in black, with updates in red.
1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary [No longer voluntary],
2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program [Now 7.65% on the first $90,000, and 15% on the first $90,000 if you’re self-employed],
3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year [No longer tax deductible],
4.) That the money the participants put into the independent ‘Trust Fund’ rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program [Under Johnson the money was moved to the General Fund and Spent], and
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income [Under Clinton & Gore up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed].
Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month — and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to ‘put away’ — you may be interested in the following:
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent ‘Trust Fund’ and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the ‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
AND MY FAVORITE:
Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A: That’s right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!
Now, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!
And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it! If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve. Maybe not, though. Some Democrats are awfully sure of what isn’t so — but it’s worth a try. How many people can YOU send this to?
Actions speak louder than bumper stickers.
democrats and taxes are synonymous...the republicans are only slightly better if that since all politicians require tax funding just to exist...
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Hard to disagree with what the man is 'doing' because he's 'doing' nothing :lol:
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:bull
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Next, he'll post some 419 Nigerian scam. :lol:

Theme farce .. Check origin of your red MAGA hat.
Presidential Apprentice ratings are tanking.

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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Hard to disagree with what the man is 'doing' because he's 'doing' nothing :lol:
so you have no idea what's going on then? thanks for clarifying...you really have no position other than to continually try to exact an ounce of flesh by whatever means...it's hard to understand how you reconcile continuous complaining about what trump is doing yet you claim he's doing nothign and that it's hard for you to disagree...guess the jokes on you...
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brownman wrote::bull
Chain mail forwarding prohibited on KZ.
Next, he'll post some 419 Nigerian scam. :lol:

Theme farce .. Check origin of your red MAGA hat.
Presidential Apprentice ratings are tanking.

:seeya
good grief it was someones comment from FB I could have stripped the end out of it but then you would have whined that I plagiarized....I'll agree that most D policies are the equivalent of "some 419 Nigerian scam." so there's that anyway...
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Bernie Sanders outraged that Trump wants to let ObamaCare continue functioning as it was designed to function

https://www.hermancain.com/democrats-ar ... nts-to-let" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Before it was passed, any casual observer could tell you that ObamaCare was unsustainable and would, in short order, collapse under its own weight. Had the Obama administration been honest about it, the bill would never have become law. So, they were dishonest. The ACA managed to slither through Congress via a disturbing combination of executive branch muscle, legislative tricks, "news" media propaganda, and the now infamous 'stupidity of the American voter.' It was designed to fail, and it's currently working exactly as intended.

The only thing that didn't go according to plan was Hillary Clinton's epic loss. When ObamaCare imploded, a Democrat was supposed to be sitting in the White House. Single-payer was supposed to be ushered in, and we were all supposed to love receiving medical care from the same government that mismanages the VA and the Post Office.

Now that the GOP's weak-sauce efforts to repeal Barack Obama's signature disaster have failed, President Trump has suggested that we should just let the law continue its current trajectory. We should, he says, "let it fail" and deal with the aftermath of its self-immolation.

This has the left absolutely outraged. According to elderly socialist coot Bernie Sanders, Trump wants millions of people to suffer.

Sorry Bernie, but the only people choosing to make people suffer are the Senators, Representatives, and President who foisted this atrocity upon the American people. There were no Republicans involved, the law was never popular, and yet you guys rammed it down everyone's throats. This is YOUR mess.

If having ObamaCare as the law of the land is making "millions of people suffer," then maybe - just maybe - it's not a law that should exist.

I know the media sheep will never do this, but they should ask Bernie: "Why did you vote for a law that, simply through it's continued existence, will cause people so much pain? And why are you fighting so hard to keep it if that's the case?"
and I ask all of you the same...

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gotta roll the uber is here to take me and my bike to the bum race...
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6 months so far in office - 40 days at the golf course.

Remember when Trump said he'd do nothing of the sort if he were POTUS :lol:
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:6 months so far in office - 40 days at the golf course.

Remember when Trump said he'd do nothing of the sort if he were POTUS :lol:
wah wah wah a whine a minute w you guys...wallow in your tears crybabies...seems like that's all most of ya have to offer...


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Re: Trump Presidency

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madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:6 months so far in office - 40 days at the golf course.

Remember when Trump said he'd do nothing of the sort if he were POTUS :lol:
wah wah wah a whine a minute w you guys...wallow in your tears crybabies...seems like that's all most of ya have to offer...
Interesting how your views tend to be dependent on the man in the POTUS driver seat.
madhatter wrote:how does any of that differ from the very vague "hope and change"? everything obama says is either a meaningless plan w no course of action or a course of action that is of no meaningful value...so by your very definition his entire presidency has been meaningless...seriously WHEN has any politician EVER given a concrete policy approach during a campaign? they don;t even have enough pertinent information available to them to make such policy...that said he's put up MUCH more than anyone else has, and his rhetoric and past history indicates he is a man of action, unlike our current party circuit golf course fund raiser campaigner in chief...
You supported Trump due to his 'rhetoric and past history indicates he is a man of action', but criticized Obama because everything he says 'is either a meaningless plan w no course of action or a course of action that is of no meaningful value'. Then, to put the cherry on top, you criticize Obama for his 'current party circuit golf course fund raiser'.

When your views are juxtaposed with the current POTUS, they're interesting.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:6 months so far in office - 40 days at the golf course.

Remember when Trump said he'd do nothing of the sort if he were POTUS :lol:
wah wah wah a whine a minute w you guys...wallow in your tears crybabies...seems like that's all most of ya have to offer...
Interesting how your views tend to be dependent on the man in the POTUS driver seat.
madhatter wrote:how does any of that differ from the very vague "hope and change"? everything obama says is either a meaningless plan w no course of action or a course of action that is of no meaningful value...so by your very definition his entire presidency has been meaningless...seriously WHEN has any politician EVER given a concrete policy approach during a campaign? they don;t even have enough pertinent information available to them to make such policy...that said he's put up MUCH more than anyone else has, and his rhetoric and past history indicates he is a man of action, unlike our current party circuit golf course fund raiser campaigner in chief...


You supported Trump due to his 'rhetoric and past history indicates he is a man of action', but criticized Obama because everything he says 'is either a meaningless plan w no course of action or a course of action that is of no meaningful value'. Then, to put the cherry on top, you criticize Obama for his 'current party circuit golf course fund raiser'. he campaigned for 8 damn years...he golfed and flew off to see jay z while americans were being killed...he lied about the ACA, he lied about benghazi, he lied about the IRS, he lied about paying ransom to iran, he traded numerous gitmos for another POS bergdahl......he sided w thugs like trayvon martin and michael brown resulting in the deaths of cops at the hands of the same ilk...
Barack Obama trafficked guns to Mexican drug lords, secretly delivered pallets filled with billions in cash to Iran's America/Jew-hating mullahs, left four Americans to die in Benghazi and then lied about it, allowed his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to exchange government favors for hundreds of millions of dollars slushed into the Clinton Foundation, sic'd his IRS on everyday, law-abiding Americans, and used a trillion dollars in "stimulus" funds to pay off his cronies, like those behind a boondoggle called Solyndra.

And all along, over eight terrible years, our media did a whole lot more than just let Obama get away with it. They wholeheartedly colluded.


When your views are juxtaposed with the current POTUS, they're interesting.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Donald_Trump_achievements" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and I still stand by that, obama's policies SUCKED...most of them were talking points designed to gin up "rage" and were never intended to resolve a problem....he was and still is an absolute POS... he had the opportunity to a great president but he wanted to be the guy who made the D's a permanent fixture in DC ( I've written plenty on this elsewhere)...I'm not even sure wtf kind of point you are attempting to make here...
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