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Russian affect on election

Postby Mister Moose » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:31 am

One of the major news stories the last week has been the Russian attempt at influencing the election. It's not like we haven't tried to influence many foreign elections ourselves. All the Russians did was make public documents from the DNC and Hillary's campaign chairman. They exposed corruption. There was no deception. People still made up their own minds and voted. And here we are spending a full week's news cycles fretting over how this may have cost Hillary the election.

Harry Reid lying about Mitt not paying any taxes and affecting the election is OK, but exposing corruption is not ok?

What am I missing here... other than the fact that it is the Russians and not the British. And partisan maneuvering.....
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby madhatter » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:14 am

Mister Moose wrote:One of the major news stories the last week has been the Russian attempt at influencing the election. It's not like we haven't tried to influence many foreign elections ourselves. All the Russians did was make public documents from the DNC and Hillary's campaign chairman. They exposed corruption. There was no deception. People still made up their own minds and voted. And here we are spending a full week's news cycles fretting over how this may have cost Hillary the election.

Harry Reid lying about Mitt not paying any taxes and affecting the election is OK, but exposing corruption is not ok?

What am I missing here... other than the fact that it is the Russians and not the British. And partisan maneuvering.....
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby freeski » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:22 am

Thank you Putin. There were many other things that hurt CANKLE, butt this helped. Also, interesting reading and insight into biased press.
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby XtremeJibber2001 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:35 am

Mister Moose wrote:One of the major news stories the last week has been the Russian attempt at influencing the election. It's not like we haven't tried to influence many foreign elections ourselves. All the Russians did was make public documents from the DNC and Hillary's campaign chairman. They exposed corruption. There was no deception. People still made up their own minds and voted. And here we are spending a full week's news cycles fretting over how this may have cost Hillary the election.

Harry Reid lying about Mitt not paying any taxes and affecting the election is OK, but exposing corruption is not ok?

What am I missing here... other than the fact that it is the Russians and not the British. And partisan maneuvering.....


People's anger is misplaced. No one is putting the DNC / Hillary under the gun, only Putin, for exposing them. I guess it makes sense because the ultimate consequence for their lack of integrity and attempt at rigging is losing the election.
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby Dickc » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:46 pm

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Mister Moose wrote:One of the major news stories the last week has been the Russian attempt at influencing the election. It's not like we haven't tried to influence many foreign elections ourselves. All the Russians did was make public documents from the DNC and Hillary's campaign chairman. They exposed corruption. There was no deception. People still made up their own minds and voted. And here we are spending a full week's news cycles fretting over how this may have cost Hillary the election.

Harry Reid lying about Mitt not paying any taxes and affecting the election is OK, but exposing corruption is not ok?

What am I missing here... other than the fact that it is the Russians and not the British. And partisan maneuvering.....


People's anger is misplaced. No one is putting the DNC / Hillary under the gun, only Putin, for exposing them. I guess it makes sense because the ultimate consequence for their lack of integrity and attempt at rigging is losing the election.

Were they capable of reading the Republican Committee emails and if so, why not release them too.. Would be interesting to see what they were doing in the background. Then again, it might have bored one to tears! The DNC emails were entertaining to say the least! It had absolutely no impact on the voting system. No votes were nefariously changed by the Russians or Wikileaks. Its a non issue to many of us.
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby brownman » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:59 am

Watching things play out as the MI5 allegations undergo scrutiny.
Is blackmail legal in Russia. :twisted:
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby XtremeJibber2001 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:28 pm

brownman wrote:Watching things play out as the MI5 allegations undergo scrutiny.
Is blackmail legal in Russia. :twisted:


We have a intelligence apparatus that relies heavily on third-parties and does not consistently corroborate the third-parties conclusions. This is trouble.
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Re: Russian affect on election

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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby Mister Moose » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:03 pm

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How is this different than joking about gay rights 20 years ago? Or joking about Bruce Jenner? Sexual preference is sexual preference, correct? Or just the ones that are politically in fashion?
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby Coydog » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:17 pm

My apologies. Of course you're right, I'm being terribly insensitive. And as Colbert said:

Stephen Colbert wrote:I think this is just an unfortunate leak that’s making a huge mess,” Colbert said. “And I know I’m being a wet blanket, but reporting on this is the worst kind of yellow journalism. And even though jokes about this story are a golden opportunity, I just, I won’t do it! Not to say the story didn’t make a huge splash; it did. It flooded Twitter. I mean, we’ll keep you up to date as facts trickle in. We have our best researcher working on it; she’s a real whiz. And one thing is for sure: the president-elect is a Goldwater Republican who truly believes in trickle-down.
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby XtremeJibber2001 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:57 pm

Mister Moose wrote:How is this different than joking about gay rights 20 years ago? Or joking about Bruce Jenner? Sexual preference is sexual preference, correct? Or just the ones that are politically in fashion?


Perhaps when the silent majority re-elects Trump for a second-term, they will see the err in their ways. For now, looks like status quo is maintained.
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby deadheadskier » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:05 pm

Mister Moose wrote:
Coydog wrote:Image


How is this different than joking about gay rights 20 years ago? Or joking about Bruce Jenner? Sexual preference is sexual preference, correct? Or just the ones that are politically in fashion?


Are you serious? Do you jump to the defense of Bill Clinton when people make cigar and blowjob jokes? That's what territory these memes fall in. It's not a mean spirited joke about naturally occurring traits that some people are born with such as homosexuality or their gender identity.

If Trump lied about this under oath, would you wish for him to be impeached like Clinton?

But, if you really want to go down this road.

A. Trump is married. He could have an open marriage arrangement, which is his own private right to have, but what has been alleged (or made up) is certainly frowned upon by many.

B. What has been alleged (or made up) involved prostitutes. Prostitution encourages both the exploitation of women and more importantly, the disgusting act of human trafficking to support the sex trade.

C. Also if what has been alleged (or made up) is true, the act occurred in a hotel room the Obamas had slept in per Trump's request. That just makes him a total freak. And it's okay to be a freak, but that's not the type of character many want in the White House.

I've never seen you really make arguments for Kzone be a "safe space" for Gays or Jenner as you brought up above. So, to see you jump and try and defend Golden Boy Donny is amusing to say the least.
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby Coydog » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:30 pm

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Mister Moose wrote:How is this different than joking about gay rights 20 years ago? Or joking about Bruce Jenner? Sexual preference is sexual preference, correct? Or just the ones that are politically in fashion?


Perhaps when the silent majority re-elects Trump for a second-term, they will see the err in their ways. For now, looks like status quo is maintained.


Of course in that case, "they" refers to the silent majority.
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby XtremeJibber2001 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:12 pm

Coydog wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Mister Moose wrote:How is this different than joking about gay rights 20 years ago? Or joking about Bruce Jenner? Sexual preference is sexual preference, correct? Or just the ones that are politically in fashion?


Perhaps when the silent majority re-elects Trump for a second-term, they will see the err in their ways. For now, looks like status quo is maintained.


Of course in that case, "they" refers to the silent majority.


You knew what I meant :barebutt:
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Re: Russian affect on election

Postby Mister Moose » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:12 pm

deadheadskier wrote:
Mister Moose wrote:
How is this different than joking about gay rights 20 years ago? Or joking about Bruce Jenner? Sexual preference is sexual preference, correct? Or just the ones that are politically in fashion?


It's not a mean spirited joke about naturally occurring traits that some people are born with such as homosexuality or their gender identity.

Not so sure about that. Are you born with the attraction to certain features? Why would one person be attracted to tall women and someone else be attracted to short women? Can you prove that any specific sexual preference is any more or less a commonly occurring trait than gender identity?

That's the question I was asking Coydog that you vomited all over.


deadheadskier wrote:If Trump lied about this under oath, would you wish for him to be impeached like Clinton?

Of course, if done while in office a la Clinton.

deadheadskier wrote:But, if you really want to go down this road.

A. Trump is married. He could have an open marriage arrangement, which is his own private right to have, but what has been alleged (or made up) is certainly frowned upon by many.

B. What has been alleged (or made up) involved prostitutes. Prostitution encourages both the exploitation of women and more importantly, the disgusting act of human trafficking to support the sex trade.

C. Also if what has been alleged (or made up) is true, the act occurred in a hotel room the Obamas had slept in per Trump's request. That just makes him a total freak. And it's okay to be a freak, but that's not the type of character many want in the White House.

A, B, and C are all rabid spewing on your part on unproven allegations, and are unrelated to the topic of protected sexual preference.

deadheadskier wrote:I've never seen you really make arguments for Kzone be a "safe space" for Gays or Jenner as you brought up above. So, to see you jump and try and defend Golden Boy Donny is amusing to say the least.


I'm not advocating for Kzone to be a safe space. Again you jump to agenda driven conclusions. K-zone is, and always has been fertile ground for folks like you to jump all over someone. The question was about protected sexual preference, not Kzone, and not safe spaces.

And lastly, nowhere was there any defense of The Donald's alleged behavior in anything I wrote, only in your own mind does it exist.
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