Gen. Michael Flynn

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Bubba wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:"Flynn is not the whole story - Follow the oil money to TREASON:This is what Trump and Putin are up to: Exxon Mobil, under Rex Tillerson, brokered a deal with Russia in 2013 for 60 million acres of Russian land to pump oil out of, but all that Russian oil went through pipelines in the Ukraine, who heavily taxed the proceeds, and were applying for admission into NATO at the time.Putin subsequently invaded Ukraine in 2014, secured the routes to export the oil tax-free by sea, and took control of the port where their Black Sea Naval Fleet is based, by taking the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine by force and not giving it back. This was Hitler-tier imperialism that broke every international law in the free world.After Obama sanctioned Russia for the invasion, they could only pump oil from approximately 3 of those 60 million acres. But now Rex Tillerson is our Secretary of State, and as of today, there’s information circulating that Donald Trump will likely unilaterally remove all sanctions against Russia in the coming days or weeks.Putin will make half a trillion (500 Billion) dollars from that much untapped oil. All pumped tax-free through Crimea, stolen from Ukraine, now owned by Russia. Putin may have subverted our government just to become the richest man in the world. **According to leaked docs Trump will get 19% cut (Rosneft stock placed in Cayman accounts in Dec/16). "
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madhatter wrote:
Bubba wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:"Flynn is not the whole story - Follow the oil money to TREASON:This is what Trump and Putin are up to: Exxon Mobil, under Rex Tillerson, brokered a deal with Russia in 2013 for 60 million acres of Russian land to pump oil out of, but all that Russian oil went through pipelines in the Ukraine, who heavily taxed the proceeds, and were applying for admission into NATO at the time.Putin subsequently invaded Ukraine in 2014, secured the routes to export the oil tax-free by sea, and took control of the port where their Black Sea Naval Fleet is based, by taking the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine by force and not giving it back. This was Hitler-tier imperialism that broke every international law in the free world.After Obama sanctioned Russia for the invasion, they could only pump oil from approximately 3 of those 60 million acres. But now Rex Tillerson is our Secretary of State, and as of today, there’s information circulating that Donald Trump will likely unilaterally remove all sanctions against Russia in the coming days or weeks.Putin will make half a trillion (500 Billion) dollars from that much untapped oil. All pumped tax-free through Crimea, stolen from Ukraine, now owned by Russia. Putin may have subverted our government just to become the richest man in the world. **According to leaked docs Trump will get 19% cut (Rosneft stock placed in Cayman accounts in Dec/16). "
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deadheadskier wrote:"Flynn is not the whole story - Follow the oil money to TREASON:This is what Trump and Putin are up to: Exxon Mobil, under Rex Tillerson, brokered a deal with Russia in 2013 for 60 million acres of Russian land to pump oil out of, but all that Russian oil went through pipelines in the Ukraine, who heavily taxed the proceeds, and were applying for admission into NATO at the time.Putin subsequently invaded Ukraine in 2014, secured the routes to export the oil tax-free by sea, and took control of the port where their Black Sea Naval Fleet is based, by taking the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine by force and not giving it back. This was Hitler-tier imperialism that broke every international law in the free world.After Obama sanctioned Russia for the invasion, they could only pump oil from approximately 3 of those 60 million acres. But now Rex Tillerson is our Secretary of State, and as of today, there’s information circulating that Donald Trump will likely unilaterally remove all sanctions against Russia in the coming days or weeks.Putin will make half a trillion (500 Billion) dollars from that much untapped oil. All pumped tax-free through Crimea, stolen from Ukraine, now owned by Russia. Putin may have subverted our government just to become the richest man in the world. **According to leaked docs Trump will get 19% cut (Rosneft stock placed in Cayman accounts in Dec/16). "
So lemmee get this straight...

It's Russia's oil. Pumped through a pipeline that a teeny weeny bit ends in Crimea. Crimea used to be in charge, now they're not. During Obama's watch. The sanctions Obama imposed DID NOT result in any release of Crimea back to the Ukraine. The only income Crimea made from the pipeline was the tax revenue, and now that's gone.

The oil in the ground is like money in the bank. Whether the sanctions are lifted this year or 5 years from now, Russia has a bargaining chip, and they want to redeem it. It is very likely Putin will find something to trade in exchange. He is patient, and he is smart. Here's one possibility: Russia agrees to give back Crimea in title, but retains ownership of the pipeline and the port, similar to Guantanamo on Cuba. In exchange, sanctions are lifted (or a significant percentage is lifted with future increases based on performance), and Russia retains control of the oil. Some bone of small taxes on the oil might get thrown to Crimea.

Russia already owns the oil. They could parcel it out over decades, or they could strike a different deal. What this rumor based article is claiming is that 500 Billion will be "given" to Russia. (Under Putin's control) That is a bald faced misleading statement.
Exxon has a $720 million joint venture with Rosneft
That's not a lot of dough.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2 ... 5902c3a63a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Exxon Mobil has various projects afoot in Russia that are allowed under American sanctions. But others have been ground to a halt by the sanctions, including a deal with the Russian state oil company to explore and pump in Siberia that could be worth tens of billions of dollars.
So if Russia finds another oil producing country to help find and drill their oil, wouldn't that render the sanctions moot? How do we get from 10 billion (NY Times) to 500 billion (Unnamed Russian "officials")
Russian officials have optimistically called the agreement a $500 billion deal.
Optimistically. I would interchange that with unreliably.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/worl ... tions.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So in 5 minutes of googling and some common sense, I'm finding a lot of holes in your "news story".

If you want to change people's minds, start with reliable information and analysis, not partisan spun "alternative facts".
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Re: Gen. Michael Flynn

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Ha! You're the last person to question credibility Moose. How you forget getting completely duped by the Planned Parenthood doctored tape and going on crusade for Carli over it looking like a total fool.

Or some of the other mental midgets in here talking about child sex rings run out of pizza shops all based off a thread planted by anon on 4Chan

I swear sometimes I think you, hatter and highwaystar are related to Alex Jones.

The reality is there should be a full scale investigation into what Flynn and anyone else on Trump's team knows from dealing with Russia.
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deadheadskier wrote:Ha! You're the last person to question credibility Moose. How you forget getting completely duped by the Planned Parenthood doctored tape and going on crusade for Carli over it looking like a total fool.

Or some of the other mental midgets in here talking about child sex rings run out of pizza shops all based off a thread planted by anon on 4Chan

I swear sometimes I think you, hatter and highwaystar are related to Alex Jones.

The reality is there should be a full scale investigation into what Flynn and anyone else on Trump's team knows from dealing with Russia.
Sorry, incorrect, undocumented accusations (about a different subject, no less) and invective is not worth a response.
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