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china sends 150k troops to NK border, refuses coal shipments from NK and send fully laden ships back to NK...NK threatens SK and mainland US with nuclear attacks...

what comes next?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-1 ... ive-strike" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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With the USS Carl Vinson carrier group steaming toward the Korean peninsula for what some speculate may be to launch a "decapitation" strike on the Kim Jong-Un regime, on Tuesday North Korean state media threatened the US with a nuclear attack at any sign of a U.S. pre-emptive strike, and warned it is ready for "war" as Washington tightened the screws on the nuclear-armed state.
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China could resolve this in a couple of days butt, they won't. If we can go in and kidnap Noriega for dealing drugs you'd think we could go in and get fat boy for threatening to nuke us.
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There are no good options in dealing with North Korea. Starting a war on the peninsula would cause economic havoc with Seoul and other major areas of the South (and their economy) well within artillery range of the North. The Chinese don't want potentially millions of North Korean refugees flooding into China and, given that any reuniting of North and South Korea would end up a US ally, they don't want that US ally on their border. On the other hand, they too don't want the North to get a viable nuclear weapon/missile delivery system so they're in the same box we are - a problem with no good solution.
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Bubba wrote:There are no good options in dealing with North Korea. Starting a war on the peninsula would cause economic havoc with Seoul and other major areas of the South (and their economy) well within artillery range of the North. The Chinese don't want potentially millions of North Korean refugees flooding into China and, given that any reuniting of North and South Korea would end up a US ally, they don't want that US ally on their border. On the other hand, they too don't want the North to get a viable nuclear weapon/missile delivery system so they're in the same box we are - a problem with no good solution.
yup, and that's most of the reason why nothign has been done so far...unfortunately every leaky roof eventually caves in if the leaks aren;t stopped...

BIG PROBLEM that won't be resolved amicably....
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and...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-1 ... s-bottom-l" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

China Threatens To Bomb North Korea's Nuclear Facilities If It Crosses Beijing's "Bottom Line"
With everyone putting down new and/or revised "red lines", be it on Syria or North Korea, it was now China's turn to reveal its "red" or rather "bottom line", and in a harshly worded editorial titled "The United States Must Not Choose a Wrong Direction to Break the DPRK Nuclear Deadlock on Wednesday" Beijing warned it would attack North Korea's facilities producing nuclear bombs, effectively engaging in an act of war, if North Korea crosses China's "bottom line."

The editorial in the military-focused Global Times tabloid, owned and operated by the Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper, said that North Korea’s nuclear activities must not jeopardize northeastern China, and that if the North impacts China with its illicit nuclear tests through either "nuclear leakage or pollution", then China will respond with force.

“China has a bottom line that it will protect at all costs, that is, the security and stability of northeast China... If the bottom line is touched, China will employ all means available including the military means to strike back. By that time, it is not an issue of discussion whether China acquiesces in the US’ blows, but the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own."
This, as the editorial puts it, is the "bottom line" for China; should it be crossed China will employ all means available including the military means to strike back," warned the editorial.

It is worth noting is that shortly after publication, the article seems to have been retracted without explanation, the URL now returning a "404" error. However not before the original article was cached on a webpage owned by China Military, courtesy of google.

In the editorial, the author also declared that the "People's Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own. A strike to nuclear facilities of the DPRK is the best military means in the opinion of the outside world." The northeastern Chinese provinces of Liaoning and Jilin share borders with North Korea. These two provinces and Heilongjiang are part of the Shenyang Military Region, one of seven military regions of the People's Liberation Army.

The editorial also explained the advantages to the world of a Chinese attack on North Korea's nuclear facilities.

It noted China and the world know the locations of North Korea's nuclear facilities. Once the PLA attacks these nuclear sites, North Korea will permanently suspend its nuclear weapons programs.
North Korea "has limited resources of nuclear materials and is strictly blockaded in the outside world, erasing the possibility for DPRK to get the materials again."

China also noted that "nuclear weapons is DPRK's trump card for its defiance of China and the United States. Once this card is lost, it will become obedient immediately."

The author then speculated rhetorically that if North Korea's "nuclear facilities are destroyed, they will not even fight back, but probably block the news to fool its domestic people. The DPRK will freak out if its nuclear facilities are destroyed." And yes, a Chinese author said "freak out."

The report also said that "the DPRK must not fall into the turmoil to send a large number of refugees, it is not allowed to have a government that is hostile against China on the other side of the Yalu River, and the US military must not push forward its forces to the Yalu River.” It notes that "this sentence is meant for the United States, because the premise of it is that the US military has launched attacks to the DPRK."

But what may be the most notable part of the oped is the mention in the Global Times editorial that North Korea will not be "not allowed to have a government that is hostile against China on the other side of the Yalu River." This implies that if and when the US initiate strikes on NK, the Chinese PLA will likely send out troops "to lay the foundation" for a favorable post-war situation.

In other words, China may be just waiting for Trump to "decapitate" the North Korean regime, to pounce and immediately fill the power vacuum.
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Another "line" :roll:
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Another "line" :roll:
highly doubt that...
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-1 ... -peninsula" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
According to Reuters, the sanctions could include a potential oil embargo, intercepting cargo ships headed to North Korea, a ban on the country's airline, Air Koryo, and punishments for Chinese banks doing business with Pyongyang.

Despite sending a naval force to the Korean peninsula, the Trump administration is focusing its North Korea strategy on tougher economic sanctions, possibly including an oil embargo, banning its airline, intercepting cargo ships and punishing Chinese banks doing business with Pyongyang, U.S. officials say.

U.S. President Donald Trump has approved a preliminary broad approach on North Korea and asked his national security team to craft a more detailed framework for new international sanctions and other actions to counter Pyongyang's nuclear and missile programs, one official said.

"There's a whole host of things that are possible, all the way up to what's essentially a trade quarantine on North Korea," the official told Reuters on Wednesday, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Of course, the U.N. could also impose economic sanctions that would include an embargo on oil supplies to North Korea; a global ban on Air Koryo; and interdiction of North Korean freighters on the high seas, a step that would go beyond an existing requirement for nations to inspect ships transiting their territory. The United Nations could also prohibit the use of North Korean contracted labor abroad and expand the restrictions on coal exports to a total ban, officials told Reuters.

Another step could be a ban on North Korean seafood exports, Pyongyang's fourth-largest export to China, its main trading partner, and expanded efforts to seize assets of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and his family.

Meanwhile, as a former U.S. State Department official points out, when it comes to economic sanctions, half measures rarely work.

Some analysts cautioned that targeting Chinese entities with so-called "secondary sanctions" could backfire and make Beijing less willing to cooperate, and that dealing with a country that already has nuclear weapons differs from dealing with one accused of trying acquire them.

"If you want to rely on sanctions to achieve your goal, you have to find a way to persuade or force the world into going all the way to a near full embargo or at least an embargo on key commodities like petroleum and on North Korean hard currency export earnings," said Joseph DeThomas, a former State Department official who worked on Iran and North Korea sanctions.

"Only if the regime sees continuation of sanctions as fatal will it consider change," he said.
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If the crazy fat boy tests a nuke Trump will respond. If NK starts firing rockets into the south we will saturate bomb the entire area the rockets are coming from. The B-2s can destroy everything in an area a mile long by 200 yards or so. Hopefully, we know where fat boy is because I think we'll go after him bigly early. f*** NK- f*** China. :barebutt:
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freeski wrote:If the crazy fat boy tests a nuke Trump will respond. If NK starts firing rockets into the south we will saturate bomb the entire area the rockets are coming from. The B-2s can destroy everything in an area a mile long by 200 yards or so. Hopefully, we know where fat boy is because I think we'll go after him bigly early. f*** NK- f*** China. :barebutt:
Yeah, and carpet bombing worked so well in Vietnam! Oh, didn't make much of a difference as the North managed to survive using tunnels. Never Mind.
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Well, rocket launchers have to be on the surface to launch, butt yea NK has a massive tunnel network. I wonder how many subs we have off their cost. Also, what do they have off CA?

Watched some of NK's parade last night. WTF, I've see short clips before, butt after watching for a while you realize how f*** up they really are. The YouTube comments were the funniest thing I've ever read. "Looks like they're going old school this year." "Everybody who loves man on man wave" (All Crazy Fat Boy does is wave) "Feed your people you bumb!" Non stop insults.

We've been playing by Fat Boys rules for too long. If they test a nuke or missile we should respond. Don't blow up the launch pad and see what he does; Just start bombing. Death from above.
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Evacuate Seoul and take out Crazy Fat Boy. I guess it comes down to if you believe his threats. I don't but it's time for him to go. There are many living in holocaust conditions in their labor camps and it's been going on too long.

Someone should start a grassroots boycott of Chinese goods until they straighten Fat Boy out. The Chinese leaders are immoral people and hurting their pocketbook is the only way you'll ever get anything butt lip service out of them.
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Evacuate a metro area of 25M people how and to where? You realize SK is about the size of Indiana?

If you are so hopped up to do battle have you enlisted yet? What about your kids?
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deadheadskier wrote:Evacuate a metro area of 25M people how and to where? You realize SK is about the size of Indiana?

If you are so hopped up to do battle have you enlisted yet? What about your kids?
we're just gonna tell idiot libs its a trump protest and send them..free pussy hats for all...
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madhatter wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Evacuate a metro area of 25M people how and to where? You realize SK is about the size of Indiana?

If you are so hopped up to do battle have you enlisted yet? What about your kids?
we're just gonna tell idiot libs its a trump protest and send them..free pussy hats for all...
They'd probably put up a better fight than pussy contards like you and freeski who spend all day behind computer screens cheering and jerking off every time draft dodging Donny drops a bomb.
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