Net Neutrality - the real facts from the FCC Chairman

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Net Neutrality - the real facts from the FCC Chairman

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You may have seen various corporate, celebrity and left wing shills sperging out on social media, with little to no clear MSM coverage, but here is the real deal, from the real guy - FCC Chairman Ajit Pai:

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REMARKS OF CHAIRMAN AJIT PAI
ON RESTORING INTERNET FREEDOM
WASHINGTON, DC
NOVEMBER 28, 2017
The Internet is the greatest free-market innovation in history. It’s allowed us to live, play, work,
learn, and speak in ways that were inconceivable a generation ago. But it didn’t have to be that way. Its
success is due in part to regulatory restraint. Democrats and Republicans decided in the 1990s that this
new digital world wouldn’t be centrally planned like a slow-moving utility. Instead, they chose Internet
freedom. The results speak for themselves.
Now, much has been said and written over the course of the last week about the plan to restore
Internet freedom. But much of the discussion has brought more heat than light. So this afternoon, I’d
like to cut through the hysteria and hot air and speak with you in plain terms about the plan. First, I’ll
explain what it will do. Second, I’ll discuss why I’m advancing it. And third, I’ll respond to the main
criticisms that have been leveled against it.
First: what will the plan do? When you cut through the legal terms and technical jargon, it’s very
simple. The plan to restore Internet freedom will bring back the same legal framework that was
governing the Internet three years ago today and that has governed the Internet for most of its existence.
Let me repeat this point. The plan will bring back the same framework that governed the Internet for
most of its existence.
If you’ve been reading some of the media coverage about the plan, this might be news to you.
After all, returning to the legal framework for Internet regulation that was in place three years ago today
doesn’t sound like “destroying the Internet” or “ending the Internet as we know it.” And it certainly isn’t
good clickbait. But facts are stubborn things.
And here are some of those facts. Until 2015, the FCC treated high-speed Internet access as a
lightly-regulated “information service” under Title I of the Communications Act. A few years ago, the
Obama Administration instructed the FCC to change course. And it did, on a party-line vote in 2015; it
classified Internet access as a heavily-regulated “telecommunications service” under Title II of the
Communications Act. If the plan is adopted on December 14, we’ll simply reverse the FCC’s 2015
decision and go back to the pre-2015 Title I framework.
Now, I’m sure some of you out there are still thinking that there must be more to it than this. And
I’ll confess that once the plan to restore Internet freedom is adopted, one thing will be different compared
to three years ago. Consumers will be empowered by getting more information from Internet service
providers (ISPs). My ISP transparency rule will be stronger than it was in 2014.
* * *
That’s the “what.” Next: why? Why am I proposing to return to the pre-2015 regulatory
framework? The most important reason is that it was an overwhelming success.
Think back to what the Internet looked like in 1996. E-mail was still the killer app. AOL was the
most visited website. The top 20 sites included the homepages for four universities (Carnegie Mellon,
Illinois, Michigan, and MIT). Forget about YouTube; just downloading a static webpage took 30
seconds, and you paid by the hour for access. And being online also tied up your phone line.
So how did we get from there to here?
As I said at the outset, a huge part of the answer is the Telecommunications Act of 1996. As part
of this landmark law, President Clinton and a Republican Congress agreed that it would be the policy of
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the United States “to preserve the vibrant and competitive free market that presently exists for the
Internet . . . unfettered by Federal or State regulation.” They deliberately rejected thinking of the Internet
as Ma Bell, or a water company, or a subway system.
Encouraged by light-touch regulation, the private sector invested over $1.5 trillion to build out
wired and wireless networks throughout the United States. 28.8k modems eventually gave way to gigabit
fiber connections. U.S. innovators and entrepreneurs used this open platform to start companies that have
become global giants. (Indeed, the five biggest companies in America today by market capitalization are
Internet companies.) America’s Internet economy became the envy of the world, and the fact that the
largest technology companies of the digital economy are homegrown has given us a key competitive
advantage.
But then, in early 2015, the FCC chose a decidedly different course for the Internet. At the
urging of the Obama Administration, the FCC scrapped the tried-and-true, light touch regulation of the
Internet and replaced it with heavy-handed micromanagement.
It did this despite the fact that the Internet wasn’t broken in 2015. There was no market failure
that justified the regulatory sledgehammer of Title II. But no matter; 21st century networks would now be
regulated under creaky rules that were the hot new thing back in the 1930s, during the Roosevelt
Administration.
The results have been bad for consumers. The first negative consumer impact is less
infrastructure investment. The top complaint consumers have about the Internet is not and has never been
that their ISP is doing things like blocking content; it’s that they don’t have enough access and
competition. Ironically, Title II has made that concern even worse by reducing investment in building
and maintaining high-speed networks. In the two years of the Title II era, broadband network investment
declined by $3.6 billion—or more than 5%. Notably, this is the first time that such investment has
declined outside of a recession in the Internet era.
When there’s less investment, that means fewer next-generation networks are built. That means
fewer jobs for Americans building those networks. And that means more Americans are left on the wrong
side on the digital divide.
The impact has been particularly serious for smaller Internet service providers. They don’t have
the time, money, or lawyers to navigate a thicket of complex rules. I have personally visited some of
them, from Spencer Municipal Utilities in Spencer, Iowa to Wave Wireless in Parsons, Kansas. So it’s no
surprise that the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association, which represents small fixed wireless
companies that typically operate in rural America, surveyed its members and found that over 80%
“incurred additional expense in complying with the Title II rules, had delayed or reduced network
expansion, had delayed or reduced services and had allocated budget to comply with the rules.” Other
small companies, too, have told the FCC that these regulations have forced them to cancel, delay, or
curtail fiber network upgrades. And nearly two dozen small providers submitted a letter saying the FCC’s
heavy-handed rules “affect our ability to find financing.”
That’s what makes Title II regulations so misplaced. However well intentioned, they’re hurting
the very small providers and new entrants that are best positioned to bring additional competition into the
marketplace. As I warned before the FCC went down this road in 2015, a regulatory structure designed
for a monopoly will inevitably move the market in the direction of a monopoly.
Turning away from investment, the second negative consumer impact from the FCC’s heavyhanded
regulations has been less innovation. We shifted from a wildly successful framework of
permission-less innovation to a mother-may-I approach that has had a chilling effect. One major
company, for instance, reported that it put on hold a project to build out its out-of-home Wi-Fi network
due to uncertainty about the FCC’s regulatory stance. A coalition of 19 municipal Internet service
providers—that is, city-owned nonprofits—have told the FCC that they “often delay or hold off from
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rolling out a new feature or service because [they] cannot afford to deal with a potential complaint and
enforcement action.” Ask yourself: How is this good for consumers?
Much of the problem stems from the vague Internet conduct standard that the Commission
adopted in 2015—a standard that I’m proposing to repeal. Under this standard, the FCC didn’t say
specifically what conduct was prohibited. Instead, it gave itself a roving mandate to second-guess new
service offerings, new features, and new business models. Understandably, businesses asked for clarity
on how this standard would be applied. My predecessor’s answer, and I quote: “We don’t know, we’ll
have to see where things go.” That’s the very definition of regulatory uncertainty.
Well, where did things go? It’s telling that the Commission’s first target under the Internet
conduct standard was consumer-friendly free-data plans. Wireless companies are offering customers the
option of enjoying services like streaming video or music exempt from any data limits. These plans have
proven quite popular, especially among lower-income Americans. Yet the FCC had met the enemy, and
it was free data. It started a lengthy investigation of free-data plans and would have cracked down on
them had the presidential election turned out differently.
* * *
So that’s what I’m proposing to do and why I’m proposing to do it. Next, I’d like to take on the
main criticisms I’ve heard directed against the plan and separate fact from fiction—one claim at a time.
And given that some of the more eye-catching critiques have come from Hollywood celebrities, whose
large online followings give them out-sized influence in shaping the public debate, I thought I’d
directly respond to some of their assertions.
Perhaps the most common criticism is that ending Title II utility-style regulation will mean the
end of the Internet as we know it. Or, as Kumail Nanjiani, a star of HBO’s Silicon Valley put it, “We will
never go back to a free Internet.”
But here’s the simple truth: We had a free and open Internet for two decades before 2015, and
we’ll have a free and open Internet going forward.
Many critics don’t seem to understand that we are moving from heavy-handed regulation to lighttouch
regulation, not a completely hands-off approach. We aren’t giving anybody a free pass. We are
simply shifting from one-size-fits-all pre-emptive regulation to targeted enforcement based on actual
market failure or anticompetitive conduct.
For example, the plan would restore the authority of the Federal Trade Commission, America’s
premier consumer protection agency, to police the practices of Internet service providers. And if
companies engage in unfair, deceptive, or anticompetitive practices, the Federal Trade Commission
would be able to take action. This framework for protecting a free and open Internet worked well in the
past, and it will work well again. Chairman Ohlhausen will soon offer further details.
The plan would also empower the Federal Trade Commission to once again police broadband
providers’ privacy and data security practices. In 2015, we stripped the Federal Trade Commission of
that authority. But the plan would put the nation’s most experienced privacy cop back on the beat. That
should be a welcome development for every American who cares about his or her privacy.
Another concern I’ve heard is that the plan will harm rural and low-income Americans. Cher, for
example, has tweeted that the Internet “Will Include LESS AMERICANS NOT MORE” if my proposal is
adopted. But the opposite is true. The digital divide is all too real. Too many rural and low-income
Americans are still unable to get high-speed Internet access. But heavy-handed Title II regulations just
make the problem worse! They reduce investment in broadband networks, especially in rural and lowincome
areas. By turning back time, so to speak, and returning Internet regulation to the pre-2015 era, we
will expand broadband networks and bring high-speed Internet access to more Americans, not fewer.
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Then there is this critique that offered by Mark Ruffalo: “Taking away #NetNeutrality is the
Authoritarian dream. Consolidating information in the hands of a few controlled by a few. Dangerous
territory.” I will confess when I saw this tweet I was tempted to just say “Hulk . . . wrong” and move on.
But I’ve seen similar points made elsewhere, including in one e-mail asking: “Do you really want to be
the man who was responsible for making America another North Korea?”
These comments are absurd. Getting rid of government authority over the Internet is the exact
opposite of authoritarianism. Government control is the defining feature of authoritarians, including the
one in North Korea.
Another common criticism is that after the plan is adopted, the Internet will become like cable
television, and Americans will have to pay more to reach certain groups of websites. George Takei of
Star Trek fame recently tweeted an article claiming that this was happening in Portugal, which doesn’t
have net neutrality, and that this would happen in the United States if the plan were adopted.
There are a few problems with this. For one thing, the Obama Administration itself made clear
that curated Internet packages are lawful in the United States under the Commission’s 2015 rules. That’s
right: the conduct described in a graphic that is currently being spread around the Internet is currently
allowed under the previous Administration’s Title II rules. So, for example, if broadband providers want
to offer a $10 a month package where you could only access a few websites like Twitter and Facebook,
they can do that today. Indeed, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals recently pointed out that net neutrality
rules don’t prohibit these curated offerings.
So the complaint by Mr. Takei and others doesn’t hold water. They’re arguing that if the plan is
adopted, Internet service providers would suddenly start doing something that net-neutrality rules already
allow them to do. But the reason that Internet service providers aren’t offering such packages now, and
likely won’t offer such packages in the future, is that American consumers by and large don’t want them.
Additionally, as several fact-checkers have pointed out, as part of the European Union, Portugal
does have net neutrality regulations! Moreover, the graphic relates to supplemental data plans featuring
specific apps that customers could get from one provider, beyond the various unrestricted base plans that
provider offered. As one report put it, this example “is pointing to an example that has nothing to do with
net neutrality.”
Shifting gears, Alyssa Milano tweeted, “We’ve faced a lot of issues threatening our democracy in
the last year. But, honestly, the FCC and @AjitPaiFCC’s dismantling of #NetNeutrality is one the
biggest.” I’m threatening our democracy? Really? I’d like to see the evidence that America’s
democratic institutions were threatened by a Title I framework, as opposed to a Title II framework, during
the Clinton Administration, the Bush Administration, and the first six years of the Obama Administration.
Don’t hold your breath—there is none. If this were Who’s the Boss?, this would be an opportunity for
Tony Danza to dish out some wisdom about the consequences of making things up.
This reminds me of another point, one that’s been brought home to me the past few days. This
debate needs, our culture needs, a more informed discussion about public policy. We need quality
information, not hysteria, because hysteria takes us to unpleasant, if not dangerous places. We can
disagree on policy. But we shouldn’t demonize, especially when all of us share the same goal of a free
and open Internet.
Anyway, the criticism of this plan comes from more than just Hollywood. I’m also well aware
that some in Silicon Valley have criticized it. Twitter, for example, has said that it strongly opposes it and
“will continue to fight for an open Internet, which is indispensable to free expression, consumer choice,
and innovation.”
Now look: I love Twitter, and I use it all the time. But let’s not kid ourselves; when it comes to
an open Internet, Twitter is part of the problem. The company has a viewpoint and uses that viewpoint to
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discriminate. As just one of many examples, two months ago, Twitter blocked Representative Marsha
Blackburn from advertising her Senate campaign launch video because it featured a pro-life message.
Before that, during the so-called Day of Action, Twitter warned users that a link to a statement by one
company on the topic of Internet regulation “may be unsafe.” And to say the least, the company appears
to have a double standard when it comes to suspending or de-verifying conservative users’ accounts as
opposed to those of liberal users. This conduct is many things, but it isn’t fighting for an open Internet.
And unfortunately, Twitter isn’t an outlier. Indeed, despite all the talk about the fear that
broadband providers could decide what Internet content consumers can see, recent experience shows that
so-called edge providers are in fact deciding what content they see. These providers routinely block or
discriminate against content they don’t like.
The examples from the past year alone are legion. App stores barring the doors to apps from
even cigar aficionados because they are perceived to promote tobacco use. Streaming services restricting
videos from the likes of conservative commentator Dennis Prager on subjects he considers “important to
understanding American values.” Algorithms that decide what content you see (or don’t), but aren’t
disclosed themselves. Online platforms secretly editing certain users’ comments. And of course,
American companies caving to repressive foreign governments’ demands to block certain speech—
conduct that would be repugnant to free expression if it occurred within our borders.
In this way, edge providers are a much bigger actual threat to an open Internet than broadband
providers, especially when it comes to discrimination on the basis of viewpoint. That might explain why
the CEO of a company called Cloudflare recently questioned whether “is it the right place for tech
companies to be regulating the Internet.” He didn’t offer a solution, but remarked that “what I know is
not the right answer is that a cabal of ten tech executives with names like Matthew, Mark, Jack, . . . Jeff
are the ones choosing what content goes online and what content doesn’t go online.”
Nonetheless, these companies want to place much tougher regulations on broadband providers
than they are willing to have placed upon themselves. So let’s be clear. They might cloak their advocacy
in the public interest, but the real interest of these Internet giants is in using the regulatory process to
cement their dominance in the Internet economy.
And here’s the thing: I don’t blame them for trying. But the government shouldn’t aid and abet
this effort. We have no business picking winners and losers in the marketplace. A level playing field, not
regulatory arbitrage, is what best serves consumers and competition.
* * *
To wrap up, I’d like to quote from an article in The New York Times: “Some experts say the
government’s planned withdrawal from Internet management . . . is the best way to bring marketplace
efficiencies to the increasingly commercial global network. But pessimists worry that this critical part of
the emerging electronic web could become a patchwork of private roads.”
This passage was written way back in 1994 about the decision to privatize the Internet. History
has proven that policymakers made the right decision then. And that they made the right decision in
1996, when they applied a light-touch regulatory framework to the Internet.
So when you get past the wild accusations, fearmongering, and hysteria, here’s the boring bottom
line: the plan to restore Internet freedom would return us to the light touch, market-based approach under
which the Internet thrived. And that’s why I am asking my colleagues to vote for it on December 14.
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Guessing you work for the big telecom companies?
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Nikoli wrote:Guessing you work for the big telecom companies?
Why do you think there's a media blackout on the facts of the situation and why do you think there's an army of shills at work?

Obama's "rules" of "net neutrality" are clearly just regulations that entrench the established players and stifle competition.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-a ... le/2641528" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"I'M YELLING BECAUSE YOU DID SOMETHING COOL!" - Humpty Dumpty

"Kzone should bill you for the bandwidth you waste writing novels to try and prove a point, but end up just looking like a deranged narcissistic fool." - Deadheadskier at madhatter

"The key is to not be lame, and know it, and not give a rat's @$$ what anybody thinks......that's real cool." - Highway Star http://goo.gl/xJxo34" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"I am one of the coolest people on the internet..." - Highway Star

"I have a tiny penis...." - C-Rex

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:roll:

Repeal of Net Neutrality would be bad for America.

Of all HS's talk about being hypnotized, he's surely accepting Pai's comments ... hook, line, and sinker. Never mind the corruption surrounding the process from start to finish.

It might be the only piece of legislation from the Obama year's I agree with.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote::roll:

Repeal of Net Neutrality would be bad for America.

Of all HS's talk about being hypnotized, he's surely accepting Pai's comments ... hook, line, and sinker. Never mind the corruption surrounding the process from start to finish.

It might be the only piece of legislation from the Obama year's I agree with.
As usual, you've been hypnotized by the mainstream media narrative. Please refer to my sig for more information. :violin

Comcast, FIOS and others are NOT interested in offering fragmented internet a-la-carte. They are interested in upselling and yield management. Why would they want to offer $10 internet to the person that only visits 5 major websites? They want to sell you a $80 cable TV package that offers 500 channels of garbage content. DO YOU SEE?

How is it that under CURRENT OBAMA RULES, with my legacy Verizon Wireless unlimited data plan, they can throttle the bandwidth and thus resolution at which I stream video content? That sure as hell doesn't sound very neutral to me.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote::roll:

Repeal of Net Neutrality would be bad for America.

Of all HS's talk about being hypnotized, he's surely accepting Pai's comments ... hook, line, and sinker. Never mind the corruption surrounding the process from start to finish.

It might be the only piece of legislation from the Obama year's I agree with.
well give us the positives of it... :ear
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Highway Star wrote:
Nikoli wrote:Guessing you work for the big telecom companies?
Why do you think there's a media blackout on the facts of the situation and why do you think there's an army of shills at work?

Obama's "rules" of "net neutrality" are clearly just regulations that entrench the established players and stifle competition.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-a ... le/2641528" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Completely flawed argument. ISP's are natural monopolies.
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Nikoli wrote:
Highway Star wrote:
Nikoli wrote:Guessing you work for the big telecom companies?
Why do you think there's a media blackout on the facts of the situation and why do you think there's an army of shills at work?

Obama's "rules" of "net neutrality" are clearly just regulations that entrench the established players and stifle competition.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-a ... le/2641528" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Completely flawed argument. ISP's are natural monopolies.
Why do I have at least 5 options for internet service at my place of residence then...?
"I'M YELLING BECAUSE YOU DID SOMETHING COOL!" - Humpty Dumpty

"Kzone should bill you for the bandwidth you waste writing novels to try and prove a point, but end up just looking like a deranged narcissistic fool." - Deadheadskier at madhatter

"The key is to not be lame, and know it, and not give a rat's @$$ what anybody thinks......that's real cool." - Highway Star http://goo.gl/xJxo34" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"I am one of the coolest people on the internet..." - Highway Star

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Highway Star wrote:
Nikoli wrote:
Highway Star wrote:
Nikoli wrote:Guessing you work for the big telecom companies?
Why do you think there's a media blackout on the facts of the situation and why do you think there's an army of shills at work?

Obama's "rules" of "net neutrality" are clearly just regulations that entrench the established players and stifle competition.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-a ... le/2641528" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Completely flawed argument. ISP's are natural monopolies.
Why do I have at least 5 options for internet service at my place of residence then...?
That's far from the norm.
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Nikoli wrote:
Highway Star wrote:
Nikoli wrote:
Highway Star wrote:
Nikoli wrote:Guessing you work for the big telecom companies?
Why do you think there's a media blackout on the facts of the situation and why do you think there's an army of shills at work?

Obama's "rules" of "net neutrality" are clearly just regulations that entrench the established players and stifle competition.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-a ... le/2641528" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Completely flawed argument. ISP's are natural monopolies.
Why do I have at least 5 options for internet service at my place of residence then...?
That's far from the norm.
I'd say 3+ options are the norm for the vast majority of the country:

- Cable, one or more providers
- Fiber Optic, one or more providers
- DSL from phone company
- Satellite internet
- Cellular internet, multiple providers

I personally do about 100 gigs a month on cellular internet, but previously had fiber........oh, and these were all established prior to the 2015 rules change.
"I'M YELLING BECAUSE YOU DID SOMETHING COOL!" - Humpty Dumpty

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"The key is to not be lame, and know it, and not give a rat's @$$ what anybody thinks......that's real cool." - Highway Star http://goo.gl/xJxo34" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"I am one of the coolest people on the internet..." - Highway Star

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https://www.broadbandmap.gov/number-of-providers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

DSL and Satellite. That's funny.
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Nikoli wrote:https://www.broadbandmap.gov/number-of-providers

DSL and Satellite. That's funny.
that's what a significant portion of rural america has for options...
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Re: Net Neutrality - the real facts from the FCC Chairman

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madhatter wrote:
Nikoli wrote:https://www.broadbandmap.gov/number-of-providers

DSL and Satellite. That's funny.
that's what a significant portion of rural america has for options...
For sure.

But reduced services of all kinds has always been a tradeoff of living in a rural area, that doesn't make it a monopoly or vast right wing conspiracy.
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Re: Net Neutrality - the real facts from the FCC Chairman

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madhatter wrote:
Nikoli wrote:https://www.broadbandmap.gov/number-of-providers

DSL and Satellite. That's funny.
that's what a significant portion of rural america has for options...
And that suck but removing net neutrality rules will do nothing to change that.

Let's just boil it down. ISP don't like the idea you can now go around them for content (Netflix, HBO, HULU). This is a way for them to charge more for data. Cord cutting is cutting into cable TV profits. A whole generation of people is growing up without being forced into a cable package to consume content. They don't like that.
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Re: Net Neutrality - the real facts from the FCC Chairman

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Highway Star wrote:
madhatter wrote:
Nikoli wrote:https://www.broadbandmap.gov/number-of-providers

DSL and Satellite. That's funny.
that's what a significant portion of rural america has for options...
For sure. But that's one of the tradeoffs of living in a rural area.
it's not a problem...I can stream 4k youtube all day long w nary a glitch...DSL here is less than 7mb down...I had satellite before the DSL... great when the lines were all down during irene but the bandwidth throttling was far too restrictive...the promise of fiber has been at arms length for almost 10 yrs now...
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