For the most part, people are mostly against marijuana because they've been trained to see it as 'bad' because of the gov'ts misleading ads and the fact that it's illegal. The people that are against marijuana won't change their mind simply because someone states its NOYB. That's why I was suggesting playing a different angle in my debates with people oppose to legalization.BigKahuna13 wrote:There is no better argument that it's none of the government's business.XtremeJibber2001 wrote:[
In order to get the gov't to change any laws regarding marijuana, one would need a better arguement than "Waahhhhh, Wahhhhh, hey gov't it's NOYB, wahhhh". Showing society that marijuana is less harmful then tobacco and alcohol is far more appealing if you ask me. If society can embrace it as a whole, there is a better chance for change.
Forget which founder said it - probably Jefferson but I'm not sure - but whomever it was said something to the effect that "the most precious right is the right to be left alone".
Interesting - Wasteful Spending?
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"There's no government like no government"BigKahuna13 wrote:There is no better argument that it's none of the government's business.
Forget which founder said it - probably Jefferson but I'm not sure - but whomever it was said something to the effect that "the most precious right is the right to be left alone".
Not your business until it becomes your business...
...better when it becomes your business in congress, as opposed to becoming your business b/c your pilot on United Airlines is high/wired/whatever.
"Because I want to" and "none of your business" are not a good enough arguments.
These are substances that have proven themselves to be detrimental to individuals and to society. Want to waste yourself away - fine. But at some point it will envitably become everyone else's business - whether I pay the taxes that provide the ambulance to take you to the morgue, the guy who gets the wrong pair of boots in the mail b/c my order was processed by a stoner, or I am an innocent bystander that you run over after hitting the coffee house.... at some point I become involved to some degree.
Criminalization hasn't worked and is wasteful. However unrestricted legalization would probably be just as bad. There is a middle ground somewhere.
...better when it becomes your business in congress, as opposed to becoming your business b/c your pilot on United Airlines is high/wired/whatever.
"Because I want to" and "none of your business" are not a good enough arguments.
These are substances that have proven themselves to be detrimental to individuals and to society. Want to waste yourself away - fine. But at some point it will envitably become everyone else's business - whether I pay the taxes that provide the ambulance to take you to the morgue, the guy who gets the wrong pair of boots in the mail b/c my order was processed by a stoner, or I am an innocent bystander that you run over after hitting the coffee house.... at some point I become involved to some degree.
Criminalization hasn't worked and is wasteful. However unrestricted legalization would probably be just as bad. There is a middle ground somewhere.
Thanks for the mammaries! (.)(.)
the government rightfully outlaws driving under the influence of alchohol. they also rightfully (mostly) legalize general consumption of alchohol. at one point it's nobody's business, at another point it's everybody's business.
The question of providing healthcare for people who abuse themselves is a question of socialism - not of drug use. A similar argument is often made for illegal immigration. "I don't like illegals because they use social services." Well, that's not an argument against illegal immigration, rather that's an argument against socialism.
now translate that to marijuana. at what point does it become a safety issue for the rest of us? because that's the point it becomes everybody else's business. prior to that, well, an old YAF song just about says it all..
legalize, legalize, legalize my dope!
congress can't tell me no (and neither can the pope!)
The question of providing healthcare for people who abuse themselves is a question of socialism - not of drug use. A similar argument is often made for illegal immigration. "I don't like illegals because they use social services." Well, that's not an argument against illegal immigration, rather that's an argument against socialism.
now translate that to marijuana. at what point does it become a safety issue for the rest of us? because that's the point it becomes everybody else's business. prior to that, well, an old YAF song just about says it all..
legalize, legalize, legalize my dope!
congress can't tell me no (and neither can the pope!)
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Agree with Steve. Flying under the influence, like DUI is already illegal. It's flat out wrong to outlaw a behavior just because some people might do something stupid (I'd suggest that in any case these types will continue to do stupid things regardless of what the law says).
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Another un-neccesary arrest
Conditional Discharge is a great thing, but you only get one in most caseshttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/10/31/belichick.son.ap/index.html?cnn=yes wrote: Belichick's son placed on probation
Son of Super Bowl coach arrested for pot possession
Posted: Tuesday October 31, 2006 7:53AM
Updated: Tuesday October 31
WALTHAM, Mass. (AP) --The son of New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick was placed on probation Monday for six months after being arrested on one count of marijuana possession. The charge against Stephen Belichick, 19, will be dismissed after six months if he stays out of trouble, said Emily LaGrassa, spokeswoman for the Middlesex County District Attorney's office. Belichick had a "very, very small amount'' of marijuana and had no prior record, Weston police Sgt. Danny Maguire said.
Belichick was arraigned in Waltham District Court where the case was continued without a finding, LaGrassa said. Belichick and Jonathan Pizarro, 18, were arrested Saturday night in a parking lot, Maguire said. He said Pizarro was charged with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute. Team spokesman Stacey James said Bill Belichick could not immediately be reached for comment. The Patriots played a road game against the Minnesota Vikings on Monday night.