What does the town of Killington need?

[brownman]

perhaps that's the ultimate plan for utilitarian use of the Snowdon Quad.
As to walking to GMN ... way too dangerous now, bear and moose galore.

OMO ... the biggest thing the town of Killington needs is an identity.
A Village could set that on course. Begins to establish a core...centralizing things.

Stay Cool !

[RENO]

The Killington golf course should stay. The only people complaining about the golf course don't golf. They're gonna build a village right at the entrance to the golf course and then rip it out and tell people they will have to drive 7 miles to golf? Ridiculous!

[Bubba]

The Killington golf course should stay. The only people complaining about the golf course don't golf. They're gonna build a village right at the entrance to the golf course and then rip it out and tell people they will have to drive 7 miles to golf? Ridiculous!

Neither golf course makes money. There simply aren't enough people here nor is the golf season long enough to support two courses. Convert the resort's course to the village and a 9 hole course and run a shuttle from the village to the GMN.

[RENO]

The Killington golf course should stay. The only people complaining about the golf course don't golf. They're gonna build a village right at the entrance to the golf course and then rip it out and tell people they will have to drive 7 miles to golf? Ridiculous!

Neither golf course makes money. There simply aren't enough people here nor is the golf season long enough to support two courses. Convert the resort's course to the village and a 9 hole course and run a shuttle from the village to the GMN.

But isn't that what the village is gonna (supposed to) do, bring more people in throughout the year? Also, people are complaining that the current proposed village is gonna be too far away from the snowshed lifts and people will have to walk a few hundred feet, but you want to put the village where part of the golf course is? Don't understand the logic there...

[VTbound]

The Killington golf course should stay. The only people complaining about the golf course don't golf. They're gonna build a village right at the entrance to the golf course and then rip it out and tell people they will have to drive 7 miles to golf? Ridiculous!

Neither golf course makes money. There simply aren't enough people here nor is the golf season long enough to support two courses. Convert the resort's course to the village and a 9 hole course and run a shuttle from the village to the GMN.

But isn't that what the village is gonna (supposed to) do, bring more people in throughout the year? Also, people are complaining that the current proposed village is gonna be too far away from the snowshed lifts and people will have to walk a few hundred feet, but you want to put the village where part of the golf course is? Don't understand the logic there...

I don't see any big deal getting down to Green Mountain on a nice summer day, but with two feet of snow on the ground we are supposed to drive down to rt 4 to get a shuttle back up the mountain? Also, the village would be right behind the Wobbly Barn, possibly with an entrance there. Maybe run a shuttle up to ski. That would help the whole access road.

[Bubba]

The Killington golf course should stay. The only people complaining about the golf course don't golf. They're gonna build a village right at the entrance to the golf course and then rip it out and tell people they will have to drive 7 miles to golf? Ridiculous!

Neither golf course makes money. There simply aren't enough people here nor is the golf season long enough to support two courses. Convert the resort's course to the village and a 9 hole course and run a shuttle from the village to the GMN.

But isn't that what the village is gonna (supposed to) do, bring more people in throughout the year? Also, people are complaining that the current proposed village is gonna be too far away from the snowshed lifts and people will have to walk a few hundred feet, but you want to put the village where part of the golf course is? Don't understand the logic there...

My plan for the village would include a lift from the village to Snowshed and possibly continuing to KBL or Superstar; possibly a lift similar to the connection lift between the Mansfield and Spruce sides of Stowe.. No problem moving people from the village to the hill. Yes, the lift is expensive, but it can't be more expensive than all the site prep involved in connecting Ramshead and Snowshed parking lots, relocating the road, pushing the upper Snowshed lot down into the lower Snowshed lot, relocating parking, etc. And the village would still be next to a 9 hole course. Want to play 18? Go to GMN, now owned by the resort as part of the deal.

[RENO]

The Killington golf course should stay. The only people complaining about the golf course don't golf. They're gonna build a village right at the entrance to the golf course and then rip it out and tell people they will have to drive 7 miles to golf? Ridiculous!

Neither golf course makes money. There simply aren't enough people here nor is the golf season long enough to support two courses. Convert the resort's course to the village and a 9 hole course and run a shuttle from the village to the GMN.

But isn't that what the village is gonna (supposed to) do, bring more people in throughout the year? Also, people are complaining that the current proposed village is gonna be too far away from the snowshed lifts and people will have to walk a few hundred feet, but you want to put the village where part of the golf course is? Don't understand the logic there...

My plan for the village would include a lift from the village to Snowshed and possibly continuing to KBL or Superstar; possibly a lift similar to the connection lift between the Mansfield and Spruce sides of Stowe.. No problem moving people from the village to the hill. Yes, the lift is expensive, but it can't be more expensive than all the site prep involved in connecting Ramshead and Snowshed parking lots, relocating the road, pushing the upper Snowshed lot down into the lower Snowshed lot, relocating parking, etc. And the village would still be next to a 9 hole course. Want to play 18? Go to GMN, now owned by the resort as part of the deal.

This just isn't gonna happen. I like Phase 1 right where it's planned (minus the circle of evil! ).

[Bubba]

The Killington golf course should stay. The only people complaining about the golf course don't golf. They're gonna build a village right at the entrance to the golf course and then rip it out and tell people they will have to drive 7 miles to golf? Ridiculous!

Neither golf course makes money. There simply aren't enough people here nor is the golf season long enough to support two courses. Convert the resort's course to the village and a 9 hole course and run a shuttle from the village to the GMN.

But isn't that what the village is gonna (supposed to) do, bring more people in throughout the year? Also, people are complaining that the current proposed village is gonna be too far away from the snowshed lifts and people will have to walk a few hundred feet, but you want to put the village where part of the golf course is? Don't understand the logic there...

My plan for the village would include a lift from the village to Snowshed and possibly continuing to KBL or Superstar; possibly a lift similar to the connection lift between the Mansfield and Spruce sides of Stowe.. No problem moving people from the village to the hill. Yes, the lift is expensive, but it can't be more expensive than all the site prep involved in connecting Ramshead and Snowshed parking lots, relocating the road, pushing the upper Snowshed lot down into the lower Snowshed lot, relocating parking, etc. And the village would still be next to a 9 hole course. Want to play 18? Go to GMN, now owned by the resort as part of the deal.

This just isn't gonna happen. I like Phase 1 right where it's planned (minus the circle of evil! ).

It's not going to happen because nobody in the leadership of the town, the resort or SP Land has the vision and desire to try to craft a plan that works for everyone. SP Land has its land and its plan and has made only minor changes over the past few years and only when forced. The town Selectboard is consumed by pressing issues dealing with budgets and Irene recovery. The resort probably has little say over the village plan and probably still doesn't recognize the competitive value of their parking lots. Local business people such as contractors are consumed by the idea that they will get jobs, and sooner, if they keep their mouths shut and don't rock the boat.

[Mister Moose]

Local business people such as contractors are consumed by the idea that they will get jobs, and sooner, if they keep their mouths shut and don't rock the boat.

Here in CT we are moving forward on a $567 million dollar 9 mile busway to connect Hartford to New Britain. Never mind there is an interstate highway already. Nevermind there is a rail line already. Never mind the buses that already go that route are under utilized. We are going to spend it because of the local jobs created, and because it's 80% Federal money. This was pivotal in getting union support in a close vote. Except the first big contract got awarded to... an out of state firm.

Moral: There is no guarantee most jobs won't go out of state.

[jim.cleary]

I hope that out of state firm uses local CT labor and material.
China Construction won a big NYC job, but they are using local union labor
and bought equipment from local suppliers, so its hard to complain.
http://www.chinaconstruction.us/News.jsp?id=84
I don't blame the Vermont locals for not rocking the boat, construction projects
funded with borrowed Federal money have been the only work out there for the
past four years. I hope they get busy soon.

[Geoff]

Local business people such as contractors are consumed by the idea that they will get jobs, and sooner, if they keep their mouths shut and don't rock the boat.

The realtors and lawyers are just about foaming at the mouth over it. They get their money no matter how bad a bust it is or how shoddy the construction is to get to a price point where the developer will be able to sell into a market where prices are sub-$200 per square foot. What the developer puts up there could make the Killington Grand look like the Chateau Frontenac.

Doesn't matter. No developer in their right mind would buy that land from E2M Partners. The E2M Partners SP Land subsidiary has zero qualifications to be a developer so they're not going to do it themselves. This is about as likely to happen as the interconnect.

[Ragged#1]

They need a few more nice restraunts like a italian and steak house.

They also need a big shopping area with nice stores too.

For more recreational things, it would be nice to see some nice parks come in for off season, a water park and of course many new summer attractions at killington.

[skiersleft]

They need a few more nice restraunts like a italian and steak house.

Killington needs many things, but two things it does not need are more italian restaurants or steak houses.

[Bubba]

What the town and resort both need are more visitors, not more competition for the same number of visitors. That means activities, events, more and better marketing, etc., not to mention more snow than last season.

[tt431]

They need a few more nice restraunts like a italian and steak house.

Killington needs many things, but two things it does not need are more italian restaurants or steak houses.