Leftists angered by Trump's characterization of Haiti...

[madhatter]

[Highway Star]

[Coydog]

Hmmmm, "Eat pigeons and rats", "Nobody can read or write", "Houses made from mud, sticks and a tarp", etc. - I guess "Shithole Country" means "Red States".

Pick a red state, any state. Pick the reddest county in the reddest state. Ask how many Hatians would move there tomorrow. Better question: how many are there today? Now ask the same question, only the Hatians now have to pick a place where the leftists have taken completely over, no underlying free market economy, a leftist "everyone gets a living wage" party wielding complete power in a country in this hemisphere, like Venezuela or Cuba. How many Hatians are going to choose that leftist "Blue Country" instead of any "Red State"? Answer: Plenty already have.

I bet you're gonna find way more Haitians who willingly immigrate to Cuba than the reddest county in the reddest state, or in Presidential terms, "Shithole Country".

CD's arguments are ridiculous unintentional caricatures of left wing propaganda somehow presented with a straight face as fact...knowing him it's simply not possible he actually believes this crap...I can only surmise that he believes that other ( barely) useful idiots will buy it...

You seem to be mistaking my point for Moose's absurd argument that aspiring immigrants desiring to leave a country decimated by natural disasters and political corruption somehow validates the right wing agenda. Wonder how many of those blond, blue-eyed Norwegians so prized by Gump are clamoring to immigrate to Mississippi?

[Coydog]

[madhatter]

Hmmmm, "Eat pigeons and rats", "Nobody can read or write", "Houses made from mud, sticks and a tarp", etc. - I guess "Shithole Country" means "Red States".

Pick a red state, any state. Pick the reddest county in the reddest state. Ask how many Hatians would move there tomorrow. Better question: how many are there today? Now ask the same question, only the Hatians now have to pick a place where the leftists have taken completely over, no underlying free market economy, a leftist "everyone gets a living wage" party wielding complete power in a country in this hemisphere, like Venezuela or Cuba. How many Hatians are going to choose that leftist "Blue Country" instead of any "Red State"? Answer: Plenty already have.

I bet you're gonna find way more Haitians who willingly immigrate to Cuba than the reddest county in the reddest state, or in Presidential terms, "Shithole Country".

CD's arguments are ridiculous unintentional caricatures of left wing propaganda somehow presented with a straight face as fact...knowing him it's simply not possible he actually believes this crap...I can only surmise that he believes that other ( barely) useful idiots will buy it...

You seem to be mistaking my point for Moose's absurd argument that aspiring immigrants desiring to leave a country decimated by natural disasters and political corruption somehow validates the right wing agenda. Wonder how many of those blond, blue-eyed Norwegians so prized by Gump are clamoring to immigrate to Mississippi?

yer phony cries of racism aren't swaying anyone...

[Mister Moose]

Hmmmm, "Eat pigeons and rats", "Nobody can read or write", "Houses made from mud, sticks and a tarp", etc. - I guess "Shithole Country" means "Red States".

Pick a red state, any state. Pick the reddest county in the reddest state. Ask how many Hatians would move there tomorrow. Better question: how many are there today? That's not a better question. Now ask the same question, only the Hatians now have to pick a place where the leftists have taken completely over, no underlying free market economy, a leftist "everyone gets a living wage" party wielding complete power in a country in this hemisphere, like Venezuela or Cuba. How many Hatians are going to choose that leftist "Blue Country" instead of any "Red State"? Answer: Plenty already have. Context: Were these folks given a choice to immigrate to the US? What years are you talking about?

I bet you're gonna find way more Haitians who willingly immigrate to Cuba than the reddest county in the reddest state, or in Presidential terms, "Shithole Country".

So Cuba is now a better choice for quality of life than somewhere, MS? Really?

... Moose's absurd argument that aspiring immigrants desiring to leave a country decimated by natural disasters and political corruption somehow validates the right wing agenda. Wonder how many of those blond, blue-eyed Norwegians so prized by Gump are clamoring to immigrate to Mississippi?

Way off. I was merely stating that you have grossly mischaracterized the quality of life anywhere in the US compared to Cuba. Even with your unstated but ominous inclusion of the deplorable "Right Wing Agenda" which you don't even give any factual reference to. "Right Wing Agenda" must just as well be a name for a character from Monsters, Inc. that is used to scare people. (Cue Pelosi and Schumer)

And Norwegians might not immigrate to Mississippi because A) it's hot and B) " Mississippi came in last in our ranking of state economies..." (Wiki)

Keep in mind all this derived from your comment:

I guess "Shithole Country" means "Red States".

You were comparing the likes of Haiti to Red States. That's unsupportable, so I called you on it. It had nothing to do with "validating the right wing agenda"

[XtremeJibber2001]

... Moose's absurd argument that aspiring immigrants desiring to leave a country decimated by natural disasters and political corruption somehow validates the right wing agenda. Wonder how many of those blond, blue-eyed Norwegians so prized by Gump are clamoring to immigrate to Mississippi?

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And Norwegians might not immigrate to Mississippi because A) it's hot and B) " Mississippi came in last in our ranking of state economies..." (Wiki)

Both of you may find it interesting the pace of Norwegian immigration slowed in the early 1900's when their gov't passed laws making it harder for Eastern Europeans and Asians to migrate to Norway. Not to mention before this law was passed many Norwegian's didn't do so well in the US (e.g. low wages). Oh and there's that whole discovering oil thing that's seemingly made Norway do all right.

[Coydog]

Keep in mind all this derived from your comment:

I guess "Shithole Country" means "Red States".

You were comparing the likes of Haiti to Red States. That's unsupportable, so I called you on it. It had nothing to do with "validating the right wing agenda"

Actually you brought up the comparison of the likes of Haiti to Red States after I suggested that some of the attributes ascribed to a "Shithole Country" listed in a previous comment could apply to Red States. By bringing up Haiti in this context, you seem to tacitly approve of Gump's characterization that Haiti and other locales are "Shithole Countries" along with the clear implication that those who live there are "Shithole People".

If this is so, I find it deplorable, but not surprising as it seems a common theme among many Gump supporters is: ignore his invective, divisive and erratic behavior, ignore his racially incendiary language and ignore his growing body of lies (Gump Lies) because he'll do something like pass a tax cut for big business and wealthy families for a mere $1.5T of additional debt.

[Kpdemello]

I'm going to say something crazy.

Trump wasn't wrong. These places are "shithole" countries. I don't think it was racist, either. There are lots of horrible places around the globe that can be described as shitholes. For example, I'd never want to live in Somolia, Liberia, Haiti, etc. That's not a racist statement, its a statement about the living conditions in these places.

However.

What Trump said was extremely, extremely STUPID for a sitting president. There was nothing to gain whatsoever from calling these places "shitholes" and a hell of a lot to lose in terms of support from Congress, giving fuel to his political opponents, not to mention the fallout in international relations.

This supports my primary belief that Trump is too inexperienced in politics to hold the office of the Presidency, and my suspicion that he's really not that smart.

[Highway Star]

LOL:

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[Coydog]

I'm going to say something crazy.

Trump wasn't wrong. These places are "shithole" countries. uh huh, along with pretty much the entire continent of Africa I don't think it was racist, either. probably in the minority there - perhaps "impoverished" might have been a tad less racially charged There are lots of horrible places around the globe that can be described as shitholes. For example, I'd never want to live in Somolia, Liberia, Haiti, etc. That's not a racist statement, its a statement about the living conditions in these places. kinda like I wouldn't want to live in a shithole state like Alabama, West Virginia, Missisippi, etc.

So by this logic, those prized Norwegians with their high tax socialist ways would be more than justified in calling the US a "shithole" country. I bet most of them don't want to immigrate to a country run by a shithole president anyway.

[Kpdemello]

Look I'm not going to defend what he said, but I'm going to criticize him for what I think is actually wrong with the statement, not some crap that people want to charge him with. I have yet to see any evidence that Trump is a racist. Calling a place a shithole does not strike me as racist. What does it have to do with race? And yeah, there are lots of places that are horrible, way worse than West Virginia even. That's kind of factual.

However, it is incredibly, mind-numbingly stupid for any politician, let alone a sitting President, to make this statement directly to his political opponents.

More and more, I don't think Trump is actually evil or a bad person. I just think he's not very smart, a bit of a narcissist, and in way over his head.

[Bubba]

Administration bars Haitians from US visas for low skilled work. (Does this mean the 70 or so working at Mar-a-Lago will have to go home?)

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