ME2VTSkier wrote:
That will never fly. If they only allow a few to trickle over the mountains, that will spell the end of the industry, and the income it provides the states. You've got to pack the house to make any profit.
True, but what are the options if there is a spike in cases that requires something different from business as usual?
(fingers obviously crossed that it does not come to that)
What option do you have? None. You shut down completely and try not to lose anymore money. Close the doors and prep everything for long-term storage/shutdown until the issue passes. You can't keep hemorrhaging cash knowing you are only going to make pennies back on every dollar spent.
Going to be very interesting how serious the snowmaking effort is going to be industry-wide, this coming fall. I'd be will to bet there is going to be a lot of "wait and see" before there are big commitments to heavy duty snowmaking production. A lot of it hinging on if there is a large increase in C-19 as the cold weather returns, and the possibilities of renewed quarantines.
This is similar to what I posted months ago and got the sh*t kicked out of me by the K Zone experts. Time to open Superstar, a little magic with the groomer by Brian and it will be good to go!
If I am not mistaken you live in Lee, I live in Nottingham; there is maybe a couple miles between our houses. Neither Lee nor Nottingham have any active cases. Lee has had a total of 11 cases, Nottingham has had a total of 5 cases. You can travel to Vermont, I am not allowed.
400 per million in strafford county is 52 people. Fast forward to December, there is an outbreak in a hospital, church, grocery store, factory, etc and suddenly you cannot use your pass? How about you live in Hanover, 35 people at DHMC get sick and you are not allowed to cross the border?
The insanity of this policy alone would scare me off buying any Vermont pass for next year.
Welcome to the club, you are now worthy to visit VT.:
With all the uncertainty, quarantines starting to re-emerge in other states, and nothing in the pass holders promise addressing it, right now we are leaning towards bailing on the 365 pass and just doing the least expensive / lowest risk option and just getting Pico passes, plus a couple of K Tickets. If things look improved by the end of the season we can get a spring pass if we want.
Looking at things right now, I'm doubting we would do a western trip, but if we did, Epic extended their early price through September and we could do a 4 day pass or something for a quick power trip.
Overall the delta between the total family cost for 365 passes and Pico passes gives us a lot of A-La-Carte dollars to spend if we want come this fall and next winter.
Overall the whole thing is a bummer. Had been really psyched for the 365 this year.
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It is good to see but unfortunately still does not address the scenario of the resort being able to operate but the state imposing the 14 day quarantine.
boston_e wrote:It is good to see but unfortunately still does not address the scenario of the resort being able to operate but the state imposing the 14 day quarantine.
What I also find confusing is that they have made the 365 pass less attractive with this policy, especially considering that the 14 day quarantine might make it hard to use the pass in the summer. Let's assume that they are able to open normally but then have to close from December 15th to March 1st. A regular season pass holder would get a $496.7 voucher. A 365 pass holder would only get $278.2.
I've never seen such whining over a few bux...it's 1200(ish) bux for the entire year(365pass)...vs 100(ish) dollar day ticket....if you think you can do better with day tickets then go for it...otherwise suck it up and buy the pass...
how many more pages of whining do we need to draw this obvious conclusion?
mach es sehr schnell
'exponential reciprocation'- The practice of always giving back more than you take....
I've never seen such whining over a few bux...it's 1200(ish) bux for the entire year(365pass)...vs 100(ish) dollar day ticket....if you think you can do better with day tickets then go for it...otherwise suck it up and buy the pass...
how many more pages of whining do we need to draw this obvious conclusion?
I wasn't whining, just confused by the marketing decision...
I've never seen such whining over a few bux...it's 1200(ish) bux for the entire year(365pass)...vs 100(ish) dollar day ticket....if you think you can do better with day tickets then go for it...otherwise suck it up and buy the pass...
how many more pages of whining do we need to draw this obvious conclusion?
For an individual sure... but for me the 365 pass is $4910 after sales tax for the whole family, and as of today, if I follow the Vermont and Killington directives regarding quarantining, I'm not allowed to come use it... so for us this year yeah, it is kind of a big decision and might make more sense to buy pico passes (as you know we ski a fair amount at pico anyway) plus a few k-tickets which would put us in a much lower money loss situation if it turns out we can't use the passes due to this whole thing.
I've never seen such whining over a few bux...it's 1200(ish) bux for the entire year(365pass)...vs 100(ish) dollar day ticket....if you think you can do better with day tickets then go for it...otherwise suck it up and buy the pass...
how many more pages of whining do we need to draw this obvious conclusion?
For an individual sure... but for me the 365 pass is $4910 after sales tax for the whole family, and as of today, if I follow the Vermont and Killington directives regarding quarantining, I'm not allowed to come use it... so for us this year yeah, it is kind of a big decision and might make more sense to buy pico passes (as you know we ski a fair amount at pico anyway) plus a few k-tickets which would put us in a much lower money loss situation if it turns out we can't use the passes due to this whole thing.
that wasn't directed specifically at you, but it was plainly obvious post covid that K wasn't looking to " take the passholders money and run" ..their refund/compensation policy was more than generous IMO...it's unreasonable to think that should any similar " catastrophe" occur that K wouldn't do the right thing....
anyone who ski's more than a handful of days gets their "money's worth" from their pass pretty early in the season....yeah ya might not get it down to 6 bux a day but your per day of skiing cost is well below the day ticket price...even the pre-buy price...does the mtn still owe you something after you've reached that point?....
I don't think so but apparently enough people are concerned because the mtn is addressing it...just seems like kicking a hurt puppy when it's down just cuz ya can get away with it...
mach es sehr schnell
'exponential reciprocation'- The practice of always giving back more than you take....
madhatter wrote:that wasn't directed specifically at you, but it was plainly obvious post covid that K wasn't looking to " take the passholders money and run" ..their refund/compensation policy was more than generous IMO...it's unreasonable to think that should any similar " catastrophe" occur that K wouldn't do the right thing....
anyone who ski's more than a handful of days gets their "money's worth" from their pass pretty early in the season....yeah ya might not get it down to 6 bux a day but your per day of skiing cost is well below the day ticket price...even the pre-buy price...does the mtn still owe you something after you've reached that point?....
I don't think so but apparently enough people are concerned because the mtn is addressing it...just seems like kicking a hurt puppy when it's down just cuz ya can get away with it...
I don't disagree with you, but a business decision is... well, a business decision. If Killington is doing this it's likely because otherwise enough people might decide not to buy a pass (and perhaps they are seeing way less sales than usual) or go for the competition. And if people don't buy a pass there's no way to know if they will end up coming as often or at all if they maybe get scared of traveling and stuck with having to pay day ticket prices. Let's face it, I hope it won't happen, but there's a pretty good chance that the state will make the mountain shut down at some point. This latest announcement seems to mainly be targeting regular pass holders (the 365 policy was pretty much the same already except for the prorating). I'd have thought that their goal was to try to sell as many 365 passes as possible, but maybe I'm wrong. I renewed my 365 a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure lots of people will consider the numbers and the uncertainty with the coming season before they purchase a pass. It might be that they are happy with the number of 365 passes that they have sold and/or that they think that the addition of the Ikon will be enough incentive for people to switch to 365. I also wonder if adding the Ikon has made the 365 less profitable for the mountain.
