The Biden Border Crisis

[ANGUS]

Can you please sight the source of the chart?

[easyrider16]

Here's the stats published by the US Border Patrol on their very own web site that confirms these numbers, and also provides data through 2019 where there's a huge surge from around 400k to around 800k.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files ... 9%29_0.pdf

Pretty clear to see Trump's policies had little to no effect on these statistics. I suspect the same holds true for Biden's policies.

[Guy in Shorts]

Biden = liar, asshat, career politician, pedophile

Now do Trump

Trump = Creative liar, asshat, career showman, bully

[Nikoli]

Biden = liar, asshat, career politician, pedophile

Love the alcohol response! True colors!

[Bigjohnski]

You idiots know that Pelosi and the democrats took over the house in 2019 and caused that surge

[easyrider16]

Haha okay, and what exactly did Pelosi and the democrats do to cause the surge?

How about this - looking at the numbers, in 2017 you had 303,916 apprehensions, then in 2018 you had 396,579, a 30% increase. What caused that? And what caused the numbers to continually trend down during Obama's first term in office? How about the fact that despite all Trump's changes to Obama's immigration enforcement policies, his numbers are pretty much even with those from Obama's second term?

Seems to me that these numbers are pretty clear. The policy changes from Obama to Trump to Biden had little to no effect on border crossing attempts. If you really want to analyze the numbers, Obama is the best performer of the three in stemming border crossing attempts.

[Bubba]

Haha okay, and what exactly did Pelosi and the democrats do to cause the surge?

How about this - looking at the numbers, in 2017 you had 303,916 apprehensions, then in 2018 you had 396,579, a 30% increase. What caused that? And what caused the numbers to continually trend down during Obama's first term in office? How about the fact that despite all Trump's changes to Obama's immigration enforcement policies, his numbers are pretty much even with those from Obama's second term?

Seems to me that these numbers are pretty clear. The policy changes from Obama to Trump to Biden had little to no effect on border crossing attempts. If you really want to analyze the numbers, Obama is the best performer of the three in stemming border crossing attempts.

Don’t try facts on John. It’ll only give him a migraine.

[Fancypants]

Haha okay, and what exactly did Pelosi and the democrats do to cause the surge?

How about this - looking at the numbers, in 2017 you had 303,916 apprehensions, then in 2018 you had 396,579, a 30% increase. What caused that? And what caused the numbers to continually trend down during Obama's first term in office? How about the fact that despite all Trump's changes to Obama's immigration enforcement policies, his numbers are pretty much even with those from Obama's second term?

Seems to me that these numbers are pretty clear. The policy changes from Obama to Trump to Biden had little to no effect on border crossing attempts. If you really want to analyze the numbers, Obama is the best performer of the three in stemming border crossing attempts.

On what planet do you reside? Certainly not this one.......

[XtremeJibber2001]

On what planet do you reside? Certainly not this one.......

Welcome back, Madhatter.

[easyrider16]

On what planet do you reside? Certainly not this one.......

Welcome back, Madhatter.

Ha, that's exactly what I was thinking.

In any case, to FancyPants/MadHatter, is there any form of rationale, fact, or other basis for your unsolicited opinion? I mean the data is what it is. Under Obama, border crossing attempts dropped sharply during his first term. During his second term, the numbers are pretty much even with Trump's, except 2019 when there was a huge spike (apparently due to Pelosi and the Democrats somehow, even though Trump's administration was in charge of border enforcement and Congress passed no law that changed any immigration policy).

[Bubba]

On what planet do you reside? Certainly not this one.......

Welcome back, Madhatter.

Not likely...

[Fancypants]

On what planet do you reside? Certainly not this one.......

Welcome back, Madhatter.

Ha, that's exactly what I was thinking.

In any case, to FancyPants/MadHatter, is there any form of rationale, fact, or other basis for your unsolicited opinion? I mean the data is what it is. Under Obama, border crossing attempts dropped sharply during his first term. During his second term, the numbers are pretty much even with Trump's, except 2019 when there was a huge spike (apparently due to Pelosi and the Democrats somehow, even though Trump's administration was in charge of border enforcement and Congress passed no law that changed any immigration policy).

First off, I'm not MadHatter, no idea who that person is. Secondly I take reference to your "my unsolicited opinion" comment. This is a "discussion" forum right? I'll admit I lean hard to the right but the repeated talking points, selective data, selective science, etc. being broadcast as gospel through the news/social media lately is frightining. In my upbringing I was always taught to question everything, especially coming from those of influence. Let's just say I have lot's of questions. When was the last time you questioned any of our current leaders or possibly a news article with unnamed sources?

Back to the subject at hand. I can think of one very specific policy change that having is having a huge impact on the current increase, (really wanted to use the word surge but then according to AOC I would be using a dog whistle and considered a white supremacist) removal of the remain in Mexico policy. Thoughts?

[easyrider16]

When was the last time you questioned any of our current leaders or possibly a news article with unnamed sources?

You must be new here. Go take a look at the Biden thread and see some of my more recent posts where I criticize his spending proposals.

Back to the subject at hand. I can think of one very specific policy change that having is having a huge impact on the current increase, (really wanted to use the word surge but then according to AOC I would be using a dog whistle and considered a white supremacist) removal of the remain in Mexico policy. Thoughts?

The numbers clearly suggest that the change in policy has had little effect in the past. Scroll up to my previous posts. At the risk of repeating myself, the number of annual border crossing apprehensions under Trump during his first two years was about equal to the annual numbers during Obama's second term. Then in 2019 there was a huge surge to twice the annual amount. All of this despite Trump's remain in Mexico policy being in full force and effect. Can you explain this? If the remain in Mexico policy had little effect on numbers during Trump's entire term in office, then how could repealing it have any effect?

Source: https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files ... 9%29_0.pdf

Btw, my reference to your "unsolicited opinion" was to your personal attack which did not address the merits of the actual issue. You're right, this is a discussion forum. The topic is politics, not what planet you think I'm on. If you can't address the merits of the issue, you have no reason to post here and your opinion is unsolicited. MadHatter was known for his constant personal attacks and use of ellipses, which is why I and XJ presumed you might be him.

[throbster]

Incompetent Biden Admin.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- ... nistration

[easyrider16]

I wonder how much comics like that contribute to the perception among migrants that Biden's administration will be more friendly to them?