The Trials Of Donald Trump

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Fancypants wrote: Aug 21st, '23, 21:25
easyrider16 wrote: Aug 21st, '23, 06:23 I doubt it. It's further evidence to support the conspiracy charges already indicted, but I think Smith is being very careful in trying not to overreach.
No he's not, overreach is Jack Smith's modus operandi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_McDonnell
You cited one case as evidence that legal overreach is his modus operandi? Is this your only example?

Just for some history on this case, McDonnell admitted to accepting a lot of high-value gifts from donors, things like sweetheart loans, golf outings, stays in vacation homes, and a Rolex watch. In return for those gifts, he was accused of doing favors for the donor, things like setting up meetings and making phone calls to officials on that donor's behalf. The case got overturned because the alleged quid pro quo to the donor was not sufficient to meet the standard of the law.

I'm not sure it was a bad idea to go after a politician who had been accepting gifts from a donor and then doing favors for that donor. That doesn't strike me as much of a legal overreach. Also, the Supreme Court was criticized for their decision here because the judges had all accepted gifts like this in the past, and thus could potentially be subjected to prosecution if they upheld this case.

I quoted to you Barr's and Cassidy's very direct statements on how they think these cases against Trump are legitimate. Do you have any response to those statements?
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A Nightmare for Trump's Defense Team: Everything He Says Can Be Used Against Him

https://time.com/6306991/donald-trump-g ... ment-bond/
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Just one of the many reasons that representing him would be a nightmare. The other reasons include, he regularly publicly castigates his former attorneys, he is not great at paying his legal bills, and he pressures his attorneys into doing unethical things resulting in bar discipline and sometimes jail time. See e.g. Guiliani, Cohen, et. al.

In fact, here's a link to a list of 17 lawyers who were sanctioned after they represented Trump. That has to be a record, no?
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-l ... ts-2022-12
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https://www.axios.com/2023/08/22/georgi ... ctor-trump

"Mr. Shafer and the other Republican Electors in the 2020 election acted at the direction of the incumbent President and other federal officials," Shafer's lawyers wrote in the court filing Monday.

"Attorneys for the President and Mr. Shafer specifically instructed Mr. Shafer, verbally and in writing, that the Republican electors' meeting and casting their ballots on December 14, 2020 was consistent with counsels' advice and was necessary to preserve the presidential election contest.”
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I am not sure the author of this article is reading this correctly. The pleading in question is a notice of removal, something the defense has filed to move the case from state court to federal court. It lists reasons for the removal, one of which is that this elector was acting in an official capacity for the President and thus is immune from state prosecution. I don't think he's signaling that he wants to turn on Trump or trying to raise the "I was just following orders" defense. I think he's saying he believed he was acting in good faith based on the advice of his lawyers. I think that will be Trump's same defense.
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Maybe, but I think they'll be flipping involved in Georgia

Kinda like what's happening at Mar a Lago

https://apnews.com/article/trump-marala ... e2fb1936e9

Poor Donnie. He's being treated very unfairly 😭
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I think anybody who doesn't flip on Trump in these cases is acting very foolishly, but the world is filled with fools, and most of these fake elector people probably fall into that category.

Speaking of fools, who in their right mind pays $100,000 to attend a fundraising dinner for Rudy Guiliani's legal bills?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-AA1fFdPq

Mind you, this is a guy who owns a $6.5 million apartment in NYC which he is selling to fund his legal defense.
https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-gi ... ion-2023-8

Seriously, what kind of moron donates a hundred thousand dollars to rich people to help them pay their bills?
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Same idiots that donate to Trump's legal fund. What kinda of billionaire asks every day Americans , many of them poor people, to help pay for their lawyers?

Answer: probably someone who is lying about being a billionaire
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deadheadskier wrote: Aug 23rd, '23, 07:25 Maybe, but I think they'll be flipping involved in Georgia

Kinda like what's happening at Mar a Lago

https://apnews.com/article/trump-marala ... e2fb1936e9

Poor Donnie. He's being treated very unfairly 😭
Why would this guy allow a Trump attorney to represent him? He doesn't see a conflict of interest? His lawyers obviously tell their clients to lie to obstruct justice and protect Trump.
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easyrider16 wrote: Aug 22nd, '23, 07:22I quoted to you Barr's and Cassidy's very direct statements on how they think these cases against Trump are legitimate. Do you have any response to those statements?
Let us now hear from conservative judge Michael Luttig:

https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/sta ... 20741?s=20
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote: Aug 23rd, '23, 08:58
deadheadskier wrote: Aug 23rd, '23, 07:25 Maybe, but I think they'll be flipping involved in Georgia

Kinda like what's happening at Mar a Lago

https://apnews.com/article/trump-marala ... e2fb1936e9

Poor Donnie. He's being treated very unfairly 😭
Why would this guy allow a Trump attorney to represent him? He doesn't see a conflict of interest? His lawyers obviously tell their clients to lie to obstruct justice and protect Trump.
It's a funny thing that these attorneys are allowed to be paid for by a co-defendant. Technically, under the rules of professional conduct the lawyer is supposed to have an undivided loyalty to the client, not the person paying the bill, but in reality I think we know how fallible humans can be when it comes to money. That said, these lawyers are very, very expensive. A big case like this might require a $50-100k retainer or more, depending on how high-end a lawyer you're trying to retain. Having someone else foot that bill could be pretty tempting, especially if you think you haven't done anything wrong.
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Kemp reigning in the authoritarian folks in his party ..

Gov. Kemp says special session to remove DA Willis from election investigation will not happen
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlant ... MR6IMYWTE/
Gov Kemp wrote:As long as I am governor, we’re going to follow the law and the Constitution, regardless of who it helps or harms politically
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Meanwhile, another deplorable is sentenced for January 6th.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va ... onspiracy/
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Bubba wrote: Aug 31st, '23, 12:23 Meanwhile, another deplorable is sentenced for January 6th.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va ... onspiracy/
Imagine spending nearly two decades in prison for the former guy.
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Imagine living in a third world police state hell hole.....welcome the United States.
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