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Re: Superstar 2023

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Maybe if they didn't spend so much replacing perfectly functioning lifts we wouldn't have $15 beers in the K1 pub. We don't need any more uphill capacity at K - it's dangerously crowded now. We need ski patrol pulling more passes from reckless sliders.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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Bayfive wrote: Sep 5th, '23, 12:49 Lots of rumors out there about them shutting super star down early to replace the chair, anyone hear anything ?
If it turns out to be true, they better announce it early and/or lower the price of the Spring Pass.

It also seems like they should have enough time to replace that lift between the end of May and the middle of November. Forfeiting the revenue from their spring season sounds like the least desirable option for them.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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They would need to either not run it in the spring or skip the world cup to replace it. They need to replace the lift soon. That doesn't mean they can't move spring skiing to a different trail. My vote is for Dipper.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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snoloco wrote: Sep 5th, '23, 13:52 They would need to either not run it in the spring or skip the world cup to replace it. They need to replace the lift soon. That doesn't mean they can't move spring skiing to a different trail. My vote is for Dipper.
If you are correct, I think we will likely see a spring season that ends by the first week of May. I don't think they are going back to the days of Canyon spring skiing. And I certainly don't think they will skip the WC over it.

Of course, I will happily admit being wrong if we do get May in the Canyon. That would be a fun change of pace.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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My theory is the large amount of snow made on Dipper last year, and attempts at snow farming were a test run to use it as the late spring trail, but that's just a theory. It would only be for one year, and they would probably not make it as late as they do on Superstar, but would make it later than the first weekend of May. There would be no change in the amount of snow made. Just on a different trail.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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snoloco wrote: Sep 5th, '23, 14:56 My theory is the large amount of snow made on Dipper last year, and attempts at snow farming were a test run to use it as the late spring trail, but that's just a theory. It would only be for one year, and they would probably not make it as late as they do on Superstar, but would make it later than the first weekend of May. There would be no change in the amount of snow made. Just on a different trail.
I think it's a cool theory. But how much later than the beginning of May would be the rub. It is more about the runout than the trail, whether it be Dipper or Cascade or Downdraft. If this spring was a test run, it showed what they already knew - that in late April the runout melts out about as fast as they can stitch it together. As I know you know, in the old days of Canyon springs they went from downloading, to shuttling people there with trucks, to moving it to Supe. I don't think they are going to download or shuttle, which leaves it open only as long as the runout is open.

I also ask again, is more than five months really not long enough to replace this lift? I get that it depends on the schedules of the manufacturer, helicopters, inspectors, etc, and not in K's control. But still....
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Re: Superstar 2023

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The problem is if 5 months isn't long enough then it interferes with the world cup, so I think they would much rather get an early start on work vs chancing a late finish.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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Bridges can be built in a week, why can't the construction scheduale be compressed? Or put in the tower foundations one season and the balance of the lift in the next?
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Re: Superstar 2023

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G-smashed wrote: Sep 5th, '23, 13:51 Maybe if they didn't spend so much replacing perfectly functioning lifts we wouldn't have $15 beers in the K1 pub. We don't need any more uphill capacity at K - it's dangerously crowded now. We need ski patrol pulling more passes from reckless sliders.
Every lift that's been replaced in the past 20 years has been a pile of sh*t, get real.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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Big Bob wrote: Sep 5th, '23, 19:43 Bridges can be built in a week, why can't the construction scheduale be compressed? Or put in the tower foundations one season and the balance of the lift in the next?
It would end up being less than 5 months. If SS is the spring venue you couldn't begin to think about putting a piece of equipment on that trail (that is still melting) until late June.

I would not risk it. I would either install the lift over two seasons or close SS early and run an abreviated spring in the Canyon on Dipper and Downdraft, downloading on K1 when the runout melts. People will deal for a year.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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Reality check.
1. Super Star is a draw for K.
2. A lift can be buit in short order.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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When they replaced North Ridge, they closed it the first weekend of April, and the new one was ready to go by early October, though that season did not open until November 3rd. As such, that was a 6 month project, for a much shorter lift, that did not require any tree removal, blasting, or major grading work. Replacing Superstar would be a far bigger undertaking. I'd rather that spring skiing be moved to Dipper for a year than spread the replacement over 2 years. The current lift sucks. I feel like it gets slower and less reliable each year, and it doesn't even take you to the top of the trail once they start building the glacier. It's easily their worst lift situation, like the North Ridge Triple, Snowdon Quad, and Skye Peak Quad when they were replaced. Ramshead needs additional capacity more, but the lift itself is not especially problematic.

As for my comment about last season being a test run for Dipper, no, it was not a full glacier build, but I assume it would've helpful in figuring out where the thin spots develop, and how to move snow around to keep the run pieced together. They'd only need to keep it open to the Canyon Quad. Once the runout below is gone, then people can either walk out from the bottom, or walk up the peak walkway and download.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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Lol at some of these lift building comments.

Uh, next summer is quite full already for manufactures with some big projects still not confirmed but needed and wanted.

6+ months for a 6 pack replacement there at a cost of north of $10m these days.
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Re: Superstar 2023

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Y’all realize you’re arguing the merits and timing of a hypothetical started by a rumor posted on an internet message board? Oh, wait…that’s the norm here. How about someone just email Mike and ask?
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Re: Superstar 2023

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I heard they're replacing the lift with a tram
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