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as is the case with every socialist utopia eventually you run out of other people's money...

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On Thursday, the U.S. government ordered family members of employees at its embassy in Venezuela to leave as the nation's political crisis deepened ahead of a controversial vote critics contend will end democracy in the oil-rich country. Similarly, Canada warned its nationals against non-essential travel to Venezuela and urged citizens already there to leave. As well as ordering relatives to leave, the U.S. State Department on Thursday also authorized the voluntary departure of any U.S. government employee at its compound-like hilltop embassy in Caracas, where hyperinflation is about to hit 1,000%.

gee no way?

sanctions on utopia...

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-0 ... telligence" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

how socialism always ends up....

"They've Just Taken Leopoldo": Maduro Detains Opposition Leaders At Gunpoint

The pigs have moved into the farmer's house.

All Venezuelans are now equal; some are more equal than others...

"In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia." (this might also fit in another thread)

-George Orwell

Sanctions against Venezuela .. just another feeble attempt at US flexing its Muscle Greatness.
Not expecting this gets a solar powered transparent wall built any quicker.
Carry On.

brownman wrote:Sanctions against Venezuela .. just another feeble attempt at US flexing its Muscle Greatness.
Not expecting this gets a solar powered transparent wall built any quicker.
Carry On.

well that's one way of looking at it....I mean a completely clueless and ignorant way of looking at it but a way nonetheless...the sanctions aren't against venezuela either but against maduro and certain members of his party...there may be future sanctions against venezuelan oil but right now those have not been exercised...

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The Treasury Department slapped sanctions on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro Monday, sending a clear signal of the Trump administration's opposition to his regime.
The move comes a day after Maduro declared a sweeping victory in a vote that will allow him to further consolidate his power over the crisis torn nation. Much of the world -- and many of Venezuela's own citizens -- have called the vote an assault on democracy.
"Yesterday's illegitimate elections confirm that Maduro is a dictator who disregards the will of the Venezuelan people," said Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin in a statement announcing the latest sanctions on the Latin American country.

Beginning on Monday, all of the Venezuelan's president's assets that are subject to U.S. jurisdiction will be frozen. All U.S. citizens are also barred from dealing with him, according to Treasury.

were you opposed to these sanctions? current expansion of russian sanctions?

Maduro is one of a handful of heads of state to be sanctioned by the U.S. government. He follows in the footsteps of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, North Korea's Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un, Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe, former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, and Manuel Noriega, who was a military dictator of Panama.

Venezuelans like Monica Calderon, 30, who manages a perfume stand at a shopping mall in Caracas, called on the U.S. to "apply the sanctions and do whatever you have to do"
"They should apply them as soon as possible because we're living under a government that steals money," said Calderon, who spoke to CNN from an opposition-supported area. "It's going to send a message, because we are hoping that Venezuela isn't alone."
"We are in a dictatorship," Aldo Volani, 68, a security advisor who has lived in Caracas for the last 23 years, told CNN from the same area in the capital city. "I wish he [President Trump] would have done it a long time ago."
Last week, the Trump administration imposed sanctions on 13 government and military officials tied to Maduro. Mexico and Colombia followed with sanctions on the same individuals.

perhaps if you understood what was going on vs the incessant whining, crying and propaganda spewing you do ya might not look the fool so often...til then I guess we can expect nothing but more brownoise...might even be a permanent condition...thanks for weighing in anyway though...

as a side note in 2011 the idiot bernie sanders praised the venezuelan model...good thing that outside of the loonasphere sanders is seen for the crazy old coot he is...course he was still more popular than hillary, which is why the DNC had to rig the primary for hillary...let that sink in for minute...Hillary was so bad that they had to rig the primary for her cuz no one voting wanted her...

the venezuelans clearly don't want need or concur w your POV, likewise we'll let you know when we need help running the govt. til then try shutting up and paying attn for a change...maybe by the time we call on you again your input will have some value besides the comedic tragedy of seeing a supposed adult acting like a petulant adolescent ...

Point is .. with the domestic issues facing this administration, sanctions against Venezuela don't matter whatsoever.
America First .. just another in a series of failed promises.

brownman wrote:Point is .. with the domestic issues facing this administration, sanctions against Venezuela don't matter whatsoever.
America First .. just another in a series of failed promises.

Thanks for the clarification, but I still have no idea what your point is.

Now that I got home from the grocery store, the electric bill doesn't matter whatsoever.

We're Venezuela's largest trade partner, more than double any other country. Their largest export accounting for 90% of all exports? Oil. Sanctions that don't apply to oil seem laughable and ineffective. Think of it as a photo op. They don't punish anyone or anything ... don't kid yourself.

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:We're Venezuela's largest trade partner, more than double any other country. Their largest export accounting for 90% of all exports? Oil. Sanctions that don't apply to oil seem laughable and ineffective. Think of it as a photo op. They don't punish anyone or anything ... don't kid yourself.

what is it with you guys and comprehension? do you read beyond the headlines?

the sanctions are to prevent maduro and others from enriching themselves from the countries coffers...it's to prevent them from transferring assets outside of the country...preventing them from gaining access to assets already outside the country...to prevent them from doing business with the US or US citizens and businesses...oil sanctions may be coming but they need to be considered carefully as there is a greater impact to the nation as a whole as well as the world oil market...

On Monday, the U.S. Treasury Department announced new sanctions on Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro. The sanctions mean that ".... all assets of Nicolas Maduro subject to U.S. jurisdiction are frozen, and U.S. persons are prohibited from dealing with him."

As Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster stated on Monday, Maduro had to be punished for his "sham election." Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin added to the sentiment, suggesting the sanctions could be strengthened going forward. "No options are off the table," he said.

It's critical that America acts with urgency here. Each day brings more suffering to the Venezuelan people. One disgusting dichotomy explains the tragedy best: Venezuela is the world's most oil-rich nation, but its children are now starving to death in record numbers.

Such is socialism. And such is America's responsibility to oppose this malevolence.

yet somehow idiots like sanders imagine that venzuela is/was a model for US shangri la...

madhatter wrote:

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:We're Venezuela's largest trade partner, more than double any other country. Their largest export accounting for 90% of all exports? Oil. Sanctions that don't apply to oil seem laughable and ineffective. Think of it as a photo op. They don't punish anyone or anything ... don't kid yourself.

what is it with you guys and comprehension? do you read beyond the headlines?

the sanctions are to prevent maduro and others from enriching themselves from the countries coffers...it's to prevent them from transferring assets outside of the country...preventing them from gaining access to assets already outside the country...to prevent them from doing business with the US or US citizens and businesses...oil sanctions may be coming but they need to be considered carefully as there is a greater impact to the nation as a whole as well as the world oil market...

On Monday, the U.S. Treasury Department announced new sanctions on Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro. The sanctions mean that ".... all assets of Nicolas Maduro subject to U.S. jurisdiction are frozen, and U.S. persons are prohibited from dealing with him."

As Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster stated on Monday, Maduro had to be punished for his "sham election." Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin added to the sentiment, suggesting the sanctions could be strengthened going forward. "No options are off the table," he said.

It's critical that America acts with urgency here. Each day brings more suffering to the Venezuelan people. One disgusting dichotomy explains the tragedy best: Venezuela is the world's most oil-rich nation, but its children are now starving to death in record numbers.

Such is socialism. And such is America's responsibility to oppose this malevolence.

yet somehow idiots like sanders imagine that venzuela is/was a model for US shangri la...

I'm sure these sanctions on Maduro's assets outside the US are having a material impact

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:

madhatter wrote:

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:We're Venezuela's largest trade partner, more than double any other country. Their largest export accounting for 90% of all exports? Oil. Sanctions that don't apply to oil seem laughable and ineffective. Think of it as a photo op. They don't punish anyone or anything ... don't kid yourself.

what is it with you guys and comprehension? do you read beyond the headlines?

the sanctions are to prevent maduro and others from enriching themselves from the countries coffers...it's to prevent them from transferring assets outside of the country...preventing them from gaining access to assets already outside the country...to prevent them from doing business with the US or US citizens and businesses...oil sanctions may be coming but they need to be considered carefully as there is a greater impact to the nation as a whole as well as the world oil market...

On Monday, the U.S. Treasury Department announced new sanctions on Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro. The sanctions mean that ".... all assets of Nicolas Maduro subject to U.S. jurisdiction are frozen, and U.S. persons are prohibited from dealing with him."

As Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster stated on Monday, Maduro had to be punished for his "sham election." Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin added to the sentiment, suggesting the sanctions could be strengthened going forward. "No options are off the table," he said.

It's critical that America acts with urgency here. Each day brings more suffering to the Venezuelan people. One disgusting dichotomy explains the tragedy best: Venezuela is the world's most oil-rich nation, but its children are now starving to death in record numbers.

Such is socialism. And such is America's responsibility to oppose this malevolence.

yet somehow idiots like sanders imagine that venzuela is/was a model for US shangri la...

I'm sure these sanctions on Maduro's assets outside the US are having a material impact

The U.S. is Venezuela’s largest trading partner, and thus, imposing economic sanctions could have a strong impact on the Venezuelan economy. The continuation and strengthening of the ongoing individual sanctions to Venezuelan government and state officials (which started under President Obama) is a no-brainer. The main responsibility for the ongoing crisis lies mainly on individuals in the executive power, the military, as well as in the judiciary and the electoral powers.

One of the main reasons—presumably—that officials bestowed with power in all these different institutions keep ignoring both the constitution and the will of the majority of Venezuelans is their continuous enrichment through corruption and presumably even drug trafficking. Many of these officials are believed to own bank accounts and other assets on U.S. soil.

Freezing their assets is the right thing to do, not only on moral grounds, but also strategically, as this could encourage them to shift their support away from Maduro. So far, however, these types of sanctions have not been successful at accomplishing that (notably the sanctions on justices of the Venezuelan Supreme Court), and therefore, the Trump administration is looking into tougher options.

The toughest possible sanction that the U.S. could impose on Venezuela is an economic embargo. This would include banning imports from and business with entities linked to the Venezuelan government. Venezuelan oil is a natural target for sanctions, given that it represents over 90 percent of Venezuela’s export basket, and its rents go mainly to PDVSA, Venezuela’s state-owned oil company.

again you ( and others, ahem brownman) seem to lack any interest in anything but belittling trump...when you do that over every little thing, especially things you either misunderstand, misinterpret or simply don't care to know about, you become nothing but noise or in some cases, brownoise...

when you demonstrate such lack of understanding ( and seemingly a lack of intellectual curiosity as well) it's hard not to outright dismiss you w/o so much as a glance...but I got lots of time and I actually do want hear what the "opposition" has to say...so far it hasn't been much...

Learn something about Venezuela .. or continue to prove yourself a dolt.
Not one mention of Hugo Chavez, or the Colectivos in the entire thread.
Oil barons on Lake Maracaibo have ruled Venezuela for decades.
The main difference now is global communications and coverage.

Misguided US policy will not resolve the unfolding humanitarian disaster in Caracas.
All it does is divert attention from things that need doing .. IN THIS COUNTRY.

madhatter wrote:again you ( and others, ahem brownman) seem to lack any interest in anything but belittling trump...when you do that over every little thing, especially things you either misunderstand, misinterpret or simply don't care to know about, you become nothing but noise or in some cases, brownoise...

when you demonstrate such lack of understanding ( and seemingly a lack of intellectual curiosity as well) it's hard not to outright dismiss you w/o so much as a glance...but I got lots of time and I actually do want hear what the "opposition" has to say...so far it hasn't been much...

I never even mentioned Trump. Sanctions that don't impact oil will have no material impact on Venezuela.

Tell me again, what's the value of Maduro's assets within US jurisdiction? Is he going to go without food or maybe just without an extra car?

brownman wrote:Learn something about Venezuela .. or continue to prove I'm a dolt.
Not one mention of Hugo Chavez, or the Colectivos in the entire thread.nope cuz it's irrelevant to the current situation... do you want us to dig him up and sanction him too? if you want to chime in on venezuelas history have at it...I'm mostly concerned with what is currently happening, same w the president...and where that could go if left unchecked...
Oil barons on Lake Maracaibo have ruled Venezuela for decades.
The main difference now is global communications and coverage.pretty sure it's because they have created a totalitarian state and the people are starving...

Misguided US policy will not resolve the unfolding humanitarian disaster in Caracas.
All it does is divert attention from things that need doing .. IN THIS COUNTRY.so maduro and whoever else is involved should be able to continue to trade w the US? to transfer venezuelan assets here? to purchase american goods? as if the US has such limited scope that placing sanctions on venezuelan officals or even venezuelan oil is all encompassing and prevents the country from doing anything else...yer not that dumb are ya? nope ya just can't stand trump and want to take a shot at him no matter how weak...

so because corruption has been going on for decades there's no reason to interrupt it's escalation? we should jut ignoring the jailing of any opposition or protests? the power grab by maduro? the transformation from a supposed democratic state to a totalitarian one? the humanitarian crisis unfolding there? should we just wait and see how it all plays out?