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deadheadskier wrote:

madhatter wrote:
as far as under-reporting the number of deaths FROM COVID? far more likely there is a an over-reporting...there is a big difference in dying WITH COVID and dying FROM COVID...

That's a tough one with no universally accepted answer.

Happens every day with all sorts of disease states.

Does a person with COPD who contracts a common cold resulting in pneumonia get called dead from COPD or pneumonia?

Huge percentage of deaths involve comorbidities, so which do you choose when listing cause of death?

madhatter wrote:

deadheadskier wrote:

madhatter wrote:
as far as under-reporting the number of deaths FROM COVID? far more likely there is a an over-reporting...there is a big difference in dying WITH COVID and dying FROM COVID...

That's a tough one with no universally accepted answer.

Happens every day with all sorts of disease states.

Does a person with COPD who contracts a common cold resulting in pneumonia get called dead from COPD or pneumonia?

Huge percentage of deaths involve comorbidities, so which do you choose when listing cause of death?

whichever makes the orange man look even "more" bad...

deadheadskier wrote:

madhatter wrote:

deadheadskier wrote:

madhatter wrote:
as far as under-reporting the number of deaths FROM COVID? far more likely there is a an over-reporting...there is a big difference in dying WITH COVID and dying FROM COVID...

That's a tough one with no universally accepted answer.

Happens every day with all sorts of disease states.

Does a person with COPD who contracts a common cold resulting in pneumonia get called dead from COPD or pneumonia?

Huge percentage of deaths involve comorbidities, so which do you choose when listing cause of death?

whichever makes the orange man look even "more" bad...

Lotta people having routine cancer care paused recently because of this. Screenings, checkups etc. My sister in-law would be one of those people. Some it literally could shorten life. Maybe they'll get counted in the final tally without even having a test!

End of the day, I have very little energy or concern about theatrics and politics getting wrapped into all of this from either side. It's pretty insignificant to me. I'm just focused on keeping my family safe, coaching loved ones to do the same by sharing whatever information I glean from industry people I deal with and looking forward to people just getting back to normal life.

The orange man, the media and all else matters very little to me in the here and now. Don't have a whole lotta interest in MMQB on the other side either. it's the tomorrow that should concern you and everyone else...)

Overall, it's been basically a cathartic experience for me. A purge of the pervasive BS of "normal life" and just focusing on the really important stuff.yeah there's something to be said for being a "hermit" in gaysville living in a "bunker"...

skiadikt wrote:times square & 5th ave now ...

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skiadikt wrote:sad & troubling ... sounds like reduced subway service is the culprit because the streets are empty. unfortunately these essential workers have to get to work. sadly if they keep that up, there's gonna be a lot fewer of them.