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Pedro wrote:Wow, Reporter Fed those questions about armor to the soldiers. Turns out only soldiers could ask questions so he had them ask for him.
Did the reporter also ask everyone to clap after the question?
As well as chuckle when Rumsfeld ask him to repeat the first part?
Who wouldn't clap if a 24 year old army specialist was grilling the secretary of defense. I would clap.. The guy is a Dick.
Whos the dick? Rumsfeld of the Army Specialist...?
Rumsfeld
Yeah but you're expected to say that since he used to be your boss (see chatter thread regarding bosses and working holidays).

Since I didn't work for him, I can say it with more conviction. Rumsfeld's a dick.
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BigKahuna13 wrote:
Pedro wrote:
DMC wrote:
Pedro wrote:
DMC wrote: Did the reporter also ask everyone to clap after the question?
As well as chuckle when Rumsfeld ask him to repeat the first part?
Who wouldn't clap if a 24 year old army specialist was grilling the secretary of defense. I would clap.. The guy is a Dick.
Whos the dick? Rumsfeld of the Army Specialist...?
Rumsfeld
Yeah but you're expected to say that since he used to be your boss (see chatter thread regarding bosses and working holidays).

Since I didn't work for him, I can say it with more conviction. Rumsfeld's a dick.
My old boss had some personal experiences with him, from that i concluded he was a dick.
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DMC wrote: Did the reporter also ask everyone to clap after the question?
As well as chuckle when Rumsfeld ask him to repeat the first part?
That's not the point. Do you think it's OK for the media to create the news they cover? Doesn't the Dan Rather memo even remotely sound like what this reporter did. If I recall it was the same song then it dosen't matter because the story is true. Well it does matter when you have the main stream press doing everything it can up to and including creating the news they cover to undermine the efforts of the United States.

I have no problem with the question and neither did Rumsfeld, he answered it. If the solider had come up with the question on his own it would have been news, it was scripted by the media covering the event as news thats a farce. DMC, I sometime wonder how far you'll back things that are so obviously wrong as long as they are detrimental to the efforts of the current administration, an administration that was elected by the MAJORITY of the people in the United States, for the first time since 1988 when George Sr. beat Dukakis, another liberal Mass Democrate, coincedence ...I think not.

Here's a point that the Liberals have to understand if they ever hope to have a chance of winning in the National Forum....now pay attention this is going to hurt
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It's all about having integrity.
Whether or not the question originated with the kid or he was helped or coached by the media really doesn't matter. It's just another manifestion of Rumsfeld's trying to do the war on the cheap.

Please don't use the word integrity anywhere near Rumsfeld's name. If he had any, he'd have made sure the folks at the pointy end of the stick had 200% of what was needed to get the job done (can you say Powell Doctrine). He didn't. Cost more lives that it should've. He's a dick.
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BigKahuna13 wrote:Yeah but you're expected to say that since he used to be your boss (see chatter thread regarding bosses and working holidays).

Since I didn't work for him, I can say it with more conviction. Rumsfeld's a dick.
Seems more and more soldiers are willing to speak up about this war lately...
When a soldier stops bitchen, you know somthings wrong.
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DMC wrote:
Pedro wrote:
DMC wrote:
BigKahuna13 wrote:Yeah but you're expected to say that since he used to be your boss (see chatter thread regarding bosses and working holidays).

Since I didn't work for him, I can say it with more conviction. Rumsfeld's a dick.
Seems more and more soldiers are willing to speak up about this war lately...
When a soldier stops bitchen, you know somthings wrong.
True.... But - they usually "tow the company line" while on active duty...
Maybe they bitch to each other but they keep it "in the family"...
Or they will send a letter to thier congressman. And guess what congress will respond within the next day.
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DMC wrote:
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DMC wrote: Did the reporter also ask everyone to clap after the question?
As well as chuckle when Rumsfeld ask him to repeat the first part?
That's not the point. Do you think it's OK for the media to create the news they cover?
All your conservative diatribe aside... Got to be honest - it's getting tougher and tougher to read your stuff... Your grasping at straws now... And your attacks are a little unwarrented - without at least allowing me to get my opinion out...

I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking the liberal agenda. The question I directed at you was do you think that the media creating the stories it covers is OK, you obviously got that as it's the only part you quoted. Can you answer that with a simple yes or no, it will give me an insight to the way you view reality. I don't care that they are inbeded or not, that's not the point. The Town Style meeting was set up to take questions from the soilder's not the media, that were the rules. It'a like I said it's all about integrity, being up front, like allowing the media at the front lines with the troops, first time in history, how much more can this administration do in making sure the American people know what's going on. If you don't like the truth then don't read my stuff. The truth hurts. Oh one more time FOUR MORE YEARS, and maybe 12, if Jeb in Florida can get his sh*t together, we can only dream.
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Pedro wrote:Or they will send a letter to thier congressman. And guess what congress will respond within the next day.
Really ???
If you fax it to them.....depending on the legitimacy of the complaint, you do get the occasional "We have no icecream in the chow hall letter" but i have had to deal with a few legitimate congressional inquiries.

They take the letters very seriously.
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Whether or not the question originated with the kid or he was helped or coached by the media really doesn't matter. It's just another manifestion of Rumsfeld's trying to do the war on the cheap.

Please don't use the word integrity anywhere near Rumsfeld's name. If he had any, he'd have made sure the folks at the pointy end of the stick had 200% of what was needed to get the job done (can you say Powell Doctrine). He didn't. Cost more lives that it should've. He's a dick.
It does matter, its the whole point, its about the media making up the stories it covers as news. Think about that, if the news media with all their power to influence the public start making stories up and report them as news thats a major problem. The discussion as to weather the troops should have had been better prepared is another argument totally. It actually has hurt the point that the reporter was trying to make about the lack of amour on the Huvee's, even though this had been addressed in earlier reporting and was being worked on as Rumsfeld pointed out in his answer.. My personal feeling regarding that is the military needs a new small armored vehicle for the type of warfare they are now engaged in, close in urban combat. They need a smaller version of the Bradly fighting Vehicle, Smaller , more manuverable but with adequate armor to stop small arms and RPG fire, something the Humvee was never designed to do. So its a factor of not having the foresight maybe what 10-12 years ago to foresee the kind of conflicts we would be involved in and not taking action to make sure we had the proper equipment to deal with it. Can you say Bosnia. I haven't checked to see if a new vehicle was proposed but if it was, I'm sure the funding for it would have voted down, just like the funding for the armor for the Humvee was voted for, before it was voted against by the last Democratic Presidential Candidate. This is what I don't get, why do the liberals keep revisting arguments that had an impact on them losing the last election, they just don't get it and I hope they never do.
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