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An old struggle to adapt to a new country's ways
By Gaiutra Bahadur

Joseph Vento, whose grandparents came from Italy, insists that customers at Geno's Steaks order in English. "Why should I have to bend?" he says.

PETER TOBIA / Inquirer

Joseph Vento, whose grandparents came from Italy, insists that customers at Geno's Steaks order in English. "Why should I have to bend?" he says.

How do you say cheesesteak with in Spanish?

Joseph Vento, the owner of Geno's Steaks, doesn't know. And he doesn't care.

Just read the laminated signs, festooned with American eagles, at his South Philadelphia cheesesteak emporium: This is America. When Ordering, Speak English.

Vento's political statement - from a man whose Italian-born grandparents spoke only broken English - captures the anger and discontent felt by many Americans about illegal immigrants.

With a battle looming between the House and Senate on legalizing some immigration violators, the public backlash is framed by two complaints:

One, my grandparents came legally. How come these guys can't? And, two, my grandparents had to learn English. How come these guys don't?

"Go back to the 19th century, and play by those rules," said Vento, 66, whose grandfather became a U.S. citizen in 1921.

But history challenges many assumptions about the hurdles aspiring Americans used to face, say scholars of the last massive migration to the United States, which occurred between 1880 and 1920.

"There was no such thing as an 'illegal' immigrant," said Roger Daniels, a member of the Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island History Committee and author of Guarding the Golden Door: American Immigrants and Immigration Policy Since 1882.

The Old Country often required exit visas, which created the possibility of illegal emigrants. But the United States did not issue entry visas until 1921.

Before that, no meaningful immigration restrictions existed, except for a bar on Chinese enacted in 1882. Congress imposed no other limits on the number of immigrants - from any one country, or in total. About a million arrived each year in the early 1900s. It wasn't until 1924 that Congress imposed an annual cap of 155,000 immigrants.

"If you could get here and weren't terribly diseased, you could get in," Daniels said.

By contrast, backlogs, country quotas and annual caps now make legal immigration a tortuous and nearly impossible process for many, said Thomas Conaghan, director of the Irish Immigration and Pastoral Center in Upper Darby.

Past immigrants, once here, faced a backlash fueled by anxiety about religions, languages and races that were relatively new to the United States. Fear of anarchist and "Red" ideologies and the competition for jobs also played roles.

Help-wanted ads limited applicants to native-born Americans, said Kathryn Wilson, director of education at the Pennsylvania Historical Society.

Current critics of illegal immigration echo earlier generations of nativists, say academic experts on ethnicity.

"A lot of the rhetoric was similar: 'They don't speak English. They don't want to be Americans,' " said Mae M. Ngai, a University of Chicago historian and author of Impossible Subjects: Illegal Aliens and the Making of Modern America.

The Senate bill passed last Thursday, which gives some illegal immigrants a chance to become citizens, included an amendment that would make English the national language.

An English-only movement also took shape in the late 19th century, with an abortive attempt to require newcomers to read a passage in English at Ellis Island. In the end, the literacy test was administered, but in the immigrant's native tongue.

Joseph Vento's grandfather and namesake, a street-corner jeweler from Sicily, had trouble with English.

"They tried," Vento said of his grandparents. "They had a hard time. Look at the price they paid. They were limited."

The Ventos rarely left their South Philadelphia neighborhood. Now, in a way, the neighborhood has left the couple's descendants. Geno's sits at Ninth and Passyunk, the hub of Little Italy turned home to thousands of Mexicans.

Some try to order a cheesesteak. And it bugs Vento if they can't ask for American cheese, provolone or the classic - Cheez Whiz - without pointing.

"If you can't tell me what you want, I can't serve you," he said. "It's up to you. If you can't read, if you can't say the word cheese, how can I communicate with you - and why should I have to bend?

"I got a business to run."

Vento, who lives in Shamong, put up the signs when the immigration debate seized national headlines six months ago.

With Geno's Steaks tattooed on his arm, Vento is used to publicizing things, especially what's on his mind. Speak English signs also poster his Hummer. He has driven through South Philadelphia blaring through the SUV's P.A. system denunciations of neighborhood business owners who hire illegal immigrants.

"I say what everybody's thinking but is afraid to say," Vento said.

That many think as he does may be true. The dominance of Latinos among new immigrants has triggered a backlash, said Peter Skerry, a political scientist at the Brookings Institution.

Spanish-speakers make up about 30 percent of legal migrants and roughly 80 percent of illegal migrants, compared with the 21 percent preponderance of Italians a century ago.

"It's just a huge concentration . . . that raises questions for people about how these immigrants are assimilating," Skerry said.

He and other experts say that current immigrants are taking no longer to assimilate than Vento's grandfather did. Now, as then, English takes hold among the children of immigrants, and native languages disappear by the third generation.

What's different, Skerry said, is that many Americans now value multiculturalism, and technology allows it to flourish. Satellite TV beams soap operas from Latin America to U.S. living rooms, phones make it cheap and easy to connect with relatives back home, and airplanes allow a back-and-forth existence.

In society, "there is a notion that people are entitled to their own culture," he said. "Assimilation is a dirty word in many quarters. Sometimes, we don't even use the word anymore."

Vento is lashing out at that self-assertion by immigrants: "I don't want somebody coming here to change my culture to their culture," he said.

"They want us to adapt to these people. What do you mean, 'Press 1 for Spanish'? English, period. Case closed. End of discussion. You better make it the official language."
Now some woman in Philly is filing suit suggesting that Geno's sign is discriminatory and must be removed.
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i saw the owner get interviewed. what a douche bag.
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Cityskier wrote:i saw the owner get interviewed. what a douche bag.
I think he's a pretty decent guy....
Geno's Steaks at 9th Street & Passyunk Avenue, in the Heart of South Philly, sponsored the First Annual Justice For Daniel Faulkner Block Party. There was entertainment and contests. The day's events were hosted by local talk radio personality, Michael Smerconish. ALL proceeds from the day's sales of Geno's Steaks will be used to support our ongoing efforts to spread the truth about Officer Faulkner's murder at the hands of Mumia Abu-Jamal and to memorialize his name with the newly formed "Daniel Faulkner Scholarship Fund". Thanks for joining us for a great day by honoring Police Officer Daniel Faulkner and all local law enforcement officers. Thank you for your support.
Not to mention Joey Vento donated over $100,000 to the victims of 9/11.

What do I know though? You're right, what a freakin' douche bag!
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Not to mention Joey Vento donated over $100,000 to the victims of 9/11.
Why so bitches like Coulter and others can call them Gold Diggers?
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Cityskier wrote:i saw the owner get interviewed. what a douche bag.
I think he's a pretty decent guy....
Geno's Steaks at 9th Street & Passyunk Avenue, in the Heart of South Philly, sponsored the First Annual Justice For Daniel Faulkner Block Party. There was entertainment and contests. The day's events were hosted by local talk radio personality, Michael Smerconish. ALL proceeds from the day's sales of Geno's Steaks will be used to support our ongoing efforts to spread the truth about Officer Faulkner's murder at the hands of Mumia Abu-Jamal and to memorialize his name with the newly formed "Daniel Faulkner Scholarship Fund". Thanks for joining us for a great day by honoring Police Officer Daniel Faulkner and all local law enforcement officers. Thank you for your support.
Not to mention Joey Vento donated over $100,000 to the victims of 9/11.

What do I know though? You're right, what a freakin' douche bag!
Lots of us make donations to lots causes without any concerns for publicity. I couldn't give two shits about what he has done for charity. It's not even remotely part of the issue. I want my steak con queso so fukc him.
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Cityskier wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Cityskier wrote:i saw the owner get interviewed. what a douche bag.
I think he's a pretty decent guy....
Geno's Steaks at 9th Street & Passyunk Avenue, in the Heart of South Philly, sponsored the First Annual Justice For Daniel Faulkner Block Party. There was entertainment and contests. The day's events were hosted by local talk radio personality, Michael Smerconish. ALL proceeds from the day's sales of Geno's Steaks will be used to support our ongoing efforts to spread the truth about Officer Faulkner's murder at the hands of Mumia Abu-Jamal and to memorialize his name with the newly formed "Daniel Faulkner Scholarship Fund". Thanks for joining us for a great day by honoring Police Officer Daniel Faulkner and all local law enforcement officers. Thank you for your support.
Not to mention Joey Vento donated over $100,000 to the victims of 9/11.

What do I know though? You're right, what a freakin' douche bag!
Lots of us make donations to lots causes without any concerns for publicity. I couldn't give two shits about what he has done for charity. It's not even remotely part of the issue. I want my steak con queso so fukc him.
i raised a few thousand dollars for 911 charities... But then again I don't push cheesesteaks...

XJab seems to be very confused today...
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DMC Freeride wrote:
Cityskier wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Cityskier wrote:i saw the owner get interviewed. what a douche bag.
I think he's a pretty decent guy....
Geno's Steaks at 9th Street & Passyunk Avenue, in the Heart of South Philly, sponsored the First Annual Justice For Daniel Faulkner Block Party. There was entertainment and contests. The day's events were hosted by local talk radio personality, Michael Smerconish. ALL proceeds from the day's sales of Geno's Steaks will be used to support our ongoing efforts to spread the truth about Officer Faulkner's murder at the hands of Mumia Abu-Jamal and to memorialize his name with the newly formed "Daniel Faulkner Scholarship Fund". Thanks for joining us for a great day by honoring Police Officer Daniel Faulkner and all local law enforcement officers. Thank you for your support.
Not to mention Joey Vento donated over $100,000 to the victims of 9/11.

What do I know though? You're right, what a freakin' douche bag!
Lots of us make donations to lots causes without any concerns for publicity. I couldn't give two shits about what he has done for charity. It's not even remotely part of the issue. I want my steak con queso so fukc him.
i raised a few thousand dollars for 911 charities... But then again I don't push cheesesteaks...

XJab seems to be very confused today...
So you can't make a donation because you're a business owner? I'm confused? I'm not going to even dive into that debate.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
DMC Freeride wrote:
Cityskier wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Cityskier wrote:i saw the owner get interviewed. what a douche bag.
I think he's a pretty decent guy....
Geno's Steaks at 9th Street & Passyunk Avenue, in the Heart of South Philly, sponsored the First Annual Justice For Daniel Faulkner Block Party. There was entertainment and contests. The day's events were hosted by local talk radio personality, Michael Smerconish. ALL proceeds from the day's sales of Geno's Steaks will be used to support our ongoing efforts to spread the truth about Officer Faulkner's murder at the hands of Mumia Abu-Jamal and to memorialize his name with the newly formed "Daniel Faulkner Scholarship Fund". Thanks for joining us for a great day by honoring Police Officer Daniel Faulkner and all local law enforcement officers. Thank you for your support.
Not to mention Joey Vento donated over $100,000 to the victims of 9/11.

What do I know though? You're right, what a freakin' douche bag!
Lots of us make donations to lots causes without any concerns for publicity. I couldn't give two shits about what he has done for charity. It's not even remotely part of the issue. I want my steak con queso so fukc him.
i raised a few thousand dollars for 911 charities... But then again I don't push cheesesteaks...

XJab seems to be very confused today...
So you can't make a donation because you're a business owner? I'm confused? I'm not going to even dive into that debate.
you want to just live in my mouth that you put words in?

No - I'm just saying donating $$ has nothing to do with he liking or disliking people that don't use english...
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Tyrolean had to learn english when she came here. It took her like 3 months till she started to get proficient.

Granted, she was 10 years old, and wne right into school and was assigned another girl who "translated" for her at first. She said that girl wasn't too thrilled about doing that job.

Also, I think the younger you are the easier it is to learn a new language.
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I guess Vento doesn't want to serve non English speaking tourists either.
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BigKahuna13 wrote:I guess Vento doesn't want to serve non English speaking tourists either.
Good one.. :lol:
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
DMC Freeride wrote:
Cityskier wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Cityskier wrote:i saw the owner get interviewed. what a douche bag.
I think he's a pretty decent guy....
Geno's Steaks at 9th Street & Passyunk Avenue, in the Heart of South Philly, sponsored the First Annual Justice For Daniel Faulkner Block Party. There was entertainment and contests. The day's events were hosted by local talk radio personality, Michael Smerconish. ALL proceeds from the day's sales of Geno's Steaks will be used to support our ongoing efforts to spread the truth about Officer Faulkner's murder at the hands of Mumia Abu-Jamal and to memorialize his name with the newly formed "Daniel Faulkner Scholarship Fund". Thanks for joining us for a great day by honoring Police Officer Daniel Faulkner and all local law enforcement officers. Thank you for your support.
Not to mention Joey Vento donated over $100,000 to the victims of 9/11.

What do I know though? You're right, what a freakin' douche bag!
Lots of us make donations to lots causes without any concerns for publicity. I couldn't give two shits about what he has done for charity. It's not even remotely part of the issue. I want my steak con queso so fukc him.
i raised a few thousand dollars for 911 charities... But then again I don't push cheesesteaks...

XJab seems to be very confused today...
So you can't make a donation because you're a business owner? I'm confused? I'm not going to even dive into that debate.
You're very, very confused. But it's cool...we're used to it.
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Interesting sign on the flip-side I found today

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Cityskier wrote: Lots of us make donations to lots causes without any concerns for publicity. .
You're full of sh*t.
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DMC Freeride wrote:
i raised a few thousand dollars for 911 charities...
you want a cookie?
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