Yes, I am saying "alleged". That's much different than Murtha saying "Our soldiers raped and killed innocent civilians."DMC Freeride wrote:Alledged? Your coming at me with alledged??XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Well, I wasn't going to say anything, but you said I can spin it how I want ...DMC Freeride wrote:W ordered this war that has killed thousands of innocent Iraqis...XtremeJibber2001 wrote:So GWB orded the deaths of 100,000 innocent people, no, not quite Ms. Sheehan.
Spin it however you want - who killed who doesn't matter.. Fact is they are dead because we invaded and messed everything up...
If we weren't in Iraq the last 3-4 years ... many more than 100,000 innocent people may have died.
Saddam is alleged to have killed over 300,000 innocent Iraqi's.
After you chastized people for Marines alledgedly raping and killing???
Practice what you preach brother...
If you notice, in Murtha's statement, there is no acknowledgement that the report he was commenting was merely alleged. In fact, these Marines that were accused were in Military Prisons in San Diego before they were even charged, again the Military and the media were treating the Marines like convicted felons ... convieneintly leaving out that the soldiers had not been charged, hell, they even left out 'allegedly' from their reports. This is similar to the post CS made where I said the article was not confirmed, but merely alleged. However the source he posted neglected to acknowledge that fact. Of course it came back to bite them [the media source] in the ass.
So I am practicing what I preach. If it's alleged, then it's alleged [it's not proven].
When people cite numbers like Sheehan did/does and media outlets post polls, I like to see the numbers and see if they're being misrepresented as they often are.
As you can see above, Sheehan's number of 100K is accurate, but our troops did not kill all 100K. Most of which, in any account, is collateral or accidental death, which Sheehan ironically leaves out of her rant.
Another good example of misrepresenting data was when the '04 election was coming to an end and Ohio was the last significant state to get in their electoral votes. Polls on many media outlets showed Kerry winning by a landslide. Of course, that didn't pan out, but it's a great misrepresentation of the stats.
We have a long road ahead to decrease innocent deaths, but we're doing much better than we did in WWII. Hopefully, as you and I have agreed previously, less or no war will obviously reduce civilian casualties to nill.