War in Iraq - Troops Dying
Borders - Open
NK - Firing Missles
Israel - Making aggressive movements into Gaza
Iran - Building Nukes
... meanwhile, congress is going to put up a vote tomorrow to ban on-line gambling.
What a crock of sh*t and to think my taxes pay any of these people
Farking Congress
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Yep, you too can earn 150K and have a 1MM budget so you can exploit the people and pass impotent legislation. To think it used to be a part time job. Hmm, part time congress? Now that is something we should look into.XtremeJibber2001 wrote:War in Iraq - Troops Dying
Borders - Open
NK - Firing Missles
Israel - Making aggressive movements into Gaza
Iran - Building Nukes
... meanwhile, congress is going to put up a vote tomorrow to ban on-line gambling.
What a crock of sh*t and to think my taxes pay any of these people
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Yea, part-time is a stretch. What have they done this year? The last 4 years? Not much considering the events!Dr. NO wrote:Yep, you too can earn 150K and have a 1MM budget so you can exploit the people and pass impotent legislation. To think it used to be a part time job. Hmm, part time congress? Now that is something we should look into.XtremeJibber2001 wrote:War in Iraq - Troops Dying
Borders - Open
NK - Firing Missles
Israel - Making aggressive movements into Gaza
Iran - Building Nukes
... meanwhile, congress is going to put up a vote tomorrow to ban on-line gambling.
What a crock of sh*t and to think my taxes pay any of these people
Online gambling could be tazed and potentially generate $3.5 billion in revenue, but I'm sure congress thought of that already
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This is part of the conservative Republican's "Values Agenda", which has moderate Republican House members up in arms as well since they think it hurts their reelection efforts. It's all politically driven nonsense to make people have to vote on social issues near and dear to the social conservatives' hearts.
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Garbage. F*ck their stupid values. Maybe I'm ignorant (ok I am), but has it always been like this?Bubba wrote:This is part of the conservative Republican's "Values Agenda", which has moderate Republican House members up in arms as well since they think it hurts their reelection efforts. It's all politically driven nonsense to make people have to vote on social issues near and dear to the social conservatives' hearts.
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Congress hasn't been this bad since...............yesterday?XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Garbage. F*ck their stupid values. Maybe I'm ignorant (ok I am), but has it always been like this?Bubba wrote:This is part of the conservative Republican's "Values Agenda", which has moderate Republican House members up in arms as well since they think it hurts their reelection efforts. It's all politically driven nonsense to make people have to vote on social issues near and dear to the social conservatives' hearts.
"Abandon hope all ye who enter here"
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You can checkout any time you like,
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"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function" =
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"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function" =
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the government is upset they can not tax the gambling going on in the internet so they want to shut it down. They claim they are preventing people losing their homes??? Is the government protecting these people when they go to Vegas or AC? Of course not because a state in the US is getting tax money from it. I have a right to spend my money any way I want. The government has no right to tell me I cant gamble on the internet with a company not in the US.
As a Republican, I think online poker is fine. They tried prohibition of alcohol in the 1920's and you ended up with mobsters, bootlegging, and no taxes being collected. Online gamming can't be stopped. Why not make it legal and have a gamming authority like the nevada gamming authority to overlook it. I would rather see American dollars go to American vendors creating Jobs rather than offshore. If regulated properly, you would have a safer product, an awsome tax revenue source, and folks just might have a little fun.
But what do I know huh???
As a Republican, I think online poker is fine. They tried prohibition of alcohol in the 1920's and you ended up with mobsters, bootlegging, and no taxes being collected. Online gamming can't be stopped. Why not make it legal and have a gamming authority like the nevada gamming authority to overlook it. I would rather see American dollars go to American vendors creating Jobs rather than offshore. If regulated properly, you would have a safer product, an awsome tax revenue source, and folks just might have a little fun.
But what do I know huh???
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Shut up and stay between the lines... the lines are your freind.Dirty Old Ski Bastard wrote:the government is upset they can not tax the gambling going on in the internet so they want to shut it down. They claim they are preventing people losing their homes??? Is the government protecting these people when they go to Vegas or AC? Of course not because a state in the US is getting tax money from it. I have a right to spend my money any way I want. The government has no right to tell me I cant gamble on the internet with a company not in the US.
As a Republican, I think online poker is fine. They tried prohibition of alcohol in the 1920's and you ended up with mobsters, bootlegging, and no taxes being collected. Online gamming can't be stopped. Why not make it legal and have a gamming authority like the nevada gamming authority to overlook it. I would rather see American dollars go to American vendors creating Jobs rather than offshore. If regulated properly, you would have a safer product, an awsome tax revenue source, and folks just might have a little fun.
But what do I know huh???
Cogito, ergo sum
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No surprise here ...XtremeJibber2001 wrote:... meanwhile, congress is going to put up a vote tomorrow to ban on-line gambling.
What a crock of sh*t and to think my taxes pay any of these people
Online Casinos To Congress: Thanks For The Publicity!
With the House of Representatives moving yesterday to try to ban online casinos in the US, you'd think that would be bad news for those casinos -- many of whom admit the majority of their customers are from the US. Not so, apparently. The stock market has driven the stock of many of these online casinos up following the news of the bill being passed. It seems that investors realize that, not only does this have no chance of actually going anywhere, the discussion about online casinos has only acted as a ton of free publicity for the sites, perhaps encouraging some people to sign up and play now, just in case the sites are forced to go away.
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haha you know what I meant.Cityskier wrote:Huh?XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Who knows. Many of these servers are off shore anyway. They could ban the LLC's that are based in the US, but it's not too hard to move over to a country like EuropeBigKahuna13 wrote:I'd love to know how the intend to implement such a ban.
A MINORITY VIEW
BY WALTER E. WILLIAMS
RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, JULY 26, 2006, AND THEREAFTER
TRULY DISGUSTING
The House of Representatives voted 245 to 159 to pass the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 1999. Because of a rule requiring two-thirds approval, the measure didn't pass. Its sponsor, Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., plans to introduce it again when only a majority is needed for passage.
If enacted, it would "Amend the Federal criminal code to make it unlawful for any person engaged in a gambling business to knowingly use the Internet or any other interactive computer service to: (1) place, receive or otherwise make a bet or wager; or (2) send, receive, or invite information assisting in the placing of a bet or wager." Criminal penalties include fines and up to five years' imprisonment.
There is absolutely no constitutional authority for this disgusting abuse of federal power. But most Americans, who think Congress has a right to do anything for which they can get a majority vote, ignore the clearly written constitutional restraints on Congress.
The key restraint here is the Tenth Amendment, which holds that all powers not enumerated in the Constitution belong to the people and the states. Of course, congressmen might pretend they have such authority under the "commerce clause," their standard excuse to grab power.
Congress' constitutional contempt is nothing new, but this latest act is quite a step down the slippery slope toward greater control of our lives. Let's look at some of their justifications. Rep. Goodlatte says, "Internet gambling is a scourge on our society. It causes innumerable problems in our society." Rep. John Duncan, R-Tenn., says, "The Internet is addictive for many people anyway, and online gambling can be doubly addictive." Most other justifications follow the same line of reasoning; namely, there are Americans who don't know what's good for them, and it's the job of Congress to stop them from personal indiscretions.
The Internet Gambling Prohibition Act gives Congress the authority to go to an Internet Service Provider (ISP) and order that they not provide linkages to online gambling establishments. If you think Congress will be satisfied with restrictions only on gambling establishments, you're going to be disappointed. After all, the Internet provides people with access to other establishments that can be said to "cause innumerable problems in our society." There are various hate groups with Internet sites that spew vile propaganda. There are pornographic sites. There are sites that present political ideas or religious fanaticism that are offensive to many people and can "cause innumerable problems in our society."
If the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act is approved, it will become a precedent for congressional control over other aspects of the Internet and an important loss in our liberty. Let's follow the money and ask who benefits should the law be passed. What about legal gambling establishments in Las Vegas, Atlantic City and elsewhere? From their revenue point of view, they'd be happy to see less online gambling competition.
What about federal, state and local governments? Online gambling, most of which is offshore, doesn't create any tax revenue for them. The bill focuses on online games such as poker, blackjack and sports betting but exempts taxable state-regulated gambling such as lotteries and horse racing.
If people want to gamble online, they are going to gamble online. The only thing the act will accomplish is, like Prohibition, make criminals out of otherwise law-abiding people. It will turn banks and other financial institutions into government snoops. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., said, "If an adult in this country, with his own money, wants to engage in an activity that harms no one, how dare we bar it." I second that and add, since protection of "the children" often serves as an excuse to restrict our liberties, that if children get involved, let their parents, not Congress, deal with it.
BY WALTER E. WILLIAMS
RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, JULY 26, 2006, AND THEREAFTER
TRULY DISGUSTING
The House of Representatives voted 245 to 159 to pass the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 1999. Because of a rule requiring two-thirds approval, the measure didn't pass. Its sponsor, Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., plans to introduce it again when only a majority is needed for passage.
If enacted, it would "Amend the Federal criminal code to make it unlawful for any person engaged in a gambling business to knowingly use the Internet or any other interactive computer service to: (1) place, receive or otherwise make a bet or wager; or (2) send, receive, or invite information assisting in the placing of a bet or wager." Criminal penalties include fines and up to five years' imprisonment.
There is absolutely no constitutional authority for this disgusting abuse of federal power. But most Americans, who think Congress has a right to do anything for which they can get a majority vote, ignore the clearly written constitutional restraints on Congress.
The key restraint here is the Tenth Amendment, which holds that all powers not enumerated in the Constitution belong to the people and the states. Of course, congressmen might pretend they have such authority under the "commerce clause," their standard excuse to grab power.
Congress' constitutional contempt is nothing new, but this latest act is quite a step down the slippery slope toward greater control of our lives. Let's look at some of their justifications. Rep. Goodlatte says, "Internet gambling is a scourge on our society. It causes innumerable problems in our society." Rep. John Duncan, R-Tenn., says, "The Internet is addictive for many people anyway, and online gambling can be doubly addictive." Most other justifications follow the same line of reasoning; namely, there are Americans who don't know what's good for them, and it's the job of Congress to stop them from personal indiscretions.
The Internet Gambling Prohibition Act gives Congress the authority to go to an Internet Service Provider (ISP) and order that they not provide linkages to online gambling establishments. If you think Congress will be satisfied with restrictions only on gambling establishments, you're going to be disappointed. After all, the Internet provides people with access to other establishments that can be said to "cause innumerable problems in our society." There are various hate groups with Internet sites that spew vile propaganda. There are pornographic sites. There are sites that present political ideas or religious fanaticism that are offensive to many people and can "cause innumerable problems in our society."
If the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act is approved, it will become a precedent for congressional control over other aspects of the Internet and an important loss in our liberty. Let's follow the money and ask who benefits should the law be passed. What about legal gambling establishments in Las Vegas, Atlantic City and elsewhere? From their revenue point of view, they'd be happy to see less online gambling competition.
What about federal, state and local governments? Online gambling, most of which is offshore, doesn't create any tax revenue for them. The bill focuses on online games such as poker, blackjack and sports betting but exempts taxable state-regulated gambling such as lotteries and horse racing.
If people want to gamble online, they are going to gamble online. The only thing the act will accomplish is, like Prohibition, make criminals out of otherwise law-abiding people. It will turn banks and other financial institutions into government snoops. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., said, "If an adult in this country, with his own money, wants to engage in an activity that harms no one, how dare we bar it." I second that and add, since protection of "the children" often serves as an excuse to restrict our liberties, that if children get involved, let their parents, not Congress, deal with it.
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Rep. Frank hit the nail right on the head.
Congress has literally lost its mind. Heck, they could have taxed the sh*t out of online gambling!
Generally I beleive the majority of big wigs within the AC/Reno/Vegas community pushed a great deal of money to congress members to pass this bill. It's the only reason that I can think of anyways.
Casino's are losing a great amount of money because people are no longer flying cross-country to sit at a table and play games when they can do it in their home with cheap drinks, good food, and in their PJ's.
What a disgrace some in congress are.
Voting record here: http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote ... te_id=3871
Approx 9 republicans voted for the bill. This surprised me because I thought generally the republicans were trying to push this bill?
Congress has literally lost its mind. Heck, they could have taxed the sh*t out of online gambling!
Generally I beleive the majority of big wigs within the AC/Reno/Vegas community pushed a great deal of money to congress members to pass this bill. It's the only reason that I can think of anyways.
Casino's are losing a great amount of money because people are no longer flying cross-country to sit at a table and play games when they can do it in their home with cheap drinks, good food, and in their PJ's.
What a disgrace some in congress are.
Voting record here: http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote ... te_id=3871
Approx 9 republicans voted for the bill. This surprised me because I thought generally the republicans were trying to push this bill?