It will be good to have as a reference point when someone asks "Why do they hate us?" (add to this it was your (and my) tax dollars that partially funded the weapons used in the attack).
Global outrage greets Israel 'war crime' in Qana Mon Jul 31, 4:03 AM ET
BEIRUT (AFP) -
Israel's air strike on the Lebanese village of Qana sparked global outrage, with the UN Security Council deploring the deaths and Arab and Muslim leaders and thousands of livid protesters in the Middle East branding the assault a war crime.
Diplomats said the United States again forced the emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to water down its statement so that Israel was not openly criticised.
But the statement said: "The Security Council strongly deplores this loss of innocent lives and the killing of all civilians in the present conflict and requests the secretary general to report to it within one week on the circumstances of this tragic incident."
Qatar, which proposed the statement, had wanted to call the attack "deliberate" and to call for a ceasefire.
The final statement was agreed after the United States announced that Israel has agreed to suspend its air attacks for 48 hours pending an investigation into the Qana bombing.
The 15-nation council met in emergency session at the demand of UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora after the Israeli raid left 52 people dead, including at least 30 children.
"We must condemn this action in the strongest possible terms, and I appeal to you to do likewise," Annan told the council.
"I'm deeply dismayed that my earlier calls for immediate cessation of hostilities were not heard, with the result that innocent lives continue to be taken and innocent civilians continue to suffer," he said.
In Lebanon, where the deadlist attack of the 19-day-old conflict killed at least 52 people, more than half of them children, the government accused Israel of war crimes and crimes against humanity as thousands of demonstrators attacked the UN headquarters in Beirut.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was forced to cancel a visit to the Lebanese capital after a furious Prime Minister Fuad Siniora said there was no place for talks without an immediate ceasefire following the strike.
"These aggressions are crimes against humanity and war crimes in all senses of the words," Lebanese Information Minister Ghazi Aridi said. "It is to hide their failure in achieving their military objectives."
Arab League Secretary General Amr Mussa said he "strongly condemned Israel's ongoing barbaric attacks on Lebanon, the latest of which is the attack on the village of Qana."
The Organisation of the Islamic Conference said "the latest Israeli massacre amounts to a war crime and shows Israel's contempt for international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention on the protection of civilians in times of war."
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, whose country has been involved in diplomatic efforts to defuse the crisis, called Israel's attack "irresponsible" and reiterated his call for an immediate ceasefire.
Jordan, another regional broker, also strongly condemned the raid. "This criminal aggression is a flagrant violation of international laws," said Jordan's King Abdullah II in a statement.
Iran blamed the bloody attack on Rice's visit to the region.
Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas condemned the attack and asked the United Nations to oversee an immediate ceasefire, top Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat told AFP.
"Abu Mazen (Abbas) has called the Lebanese president and prime minister and offered his deepest condolences (for) the victims of the crime that was committed by Israel in Qana which he condemned in the strongest possible terms," he said.
Some 2,000 Palestinians protested in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
The United Arab Emirates joined the chorus of condemnations of the "ugly massacre".
"This crime ... provides new proof of Israel's systematic policy of using its destructive weapons to kill in an indiscriminate way and without consideration for international laws and conventions that protect civilians," said Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahyan.
Muslim nations around Asia led furious regional condemnation, with unified calls for an immediate ceasefire.
Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, branded Israel's attack a criminal act that violated international and humanitarian laws.
"The Indonesian government strongly condemns this criminal act, which goes beyond humanity," a government statement read by foreign affairs spokesman Desra Percaya said.
The government said the indiscriminate military attack was "a gross violation of international laws, including humanitarian laws ... (and has) blatantly been conducted in contravention of universal humanitarian values."
Indonesia, which does not have diplomatic ties with Israel, urged the UN Security Council to enforce an unconditional ceasefire.
Pakistan also denounced the attack as thousands of its Muslims protested.
"Pakistani government and people strongly condemn this sad incident, which is clearly unwarranted aggression," Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz told reporters on Sunday.
The call for a ceasefire was echoed in Afghanistan, where foreign ministry spokesman Sultan Ahmad Baheen said Kabul "strongly condemned" the latest attack.
"We want an end to the fighting. We want an urgent ceasefire," he said.
The outrage reverberated right across Asia.
China said it strongly condemned the attack as it pushed for a ceasefire.
"China strongly urges the two sides involved in the conflict to cease fire immediately to avoid further disaster," Xinhua news agency quoted foreign ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao as saying.
In Japan, the government's top spokesman Shinzo Abe said it was "extremely regrettable that this kind of incident occurred amid international calls on Israel to exercise self-restraint," according to Kyodo News.
Singapore said it was "deeply shocked and saddened by the loss of innocent lives" as it backed the UN call.
Israel expressed "regret" over the civilian casualties but rejected increased international pressure for an immediate ceasefire. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the village was a "safe haven" for militants.
It ordered an inquiry into the incident, with one official suggesting the lethal blast could have been caused by Hezbollah explosives.
In Europe, Finland, which holds the rotating EU presidency, said it was "shocked and dismayed" by the strikes.
"There is no justification for attacks causing casualties among innocent civilians, most of them women and children," it said in a statement, echoing condemnations from Scandinavian and other European countries.
British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett described the Qana raids as "quite appalling" and said Britain had "repeatedly urged the Israelis to act proportionately".
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier expressed "profound pity" for the victims, calling on Israel to observe "proportion" in its attacks and avoid civilian casualties, and reiterating calls for a swift ceasefire.
Britain and Germany issued a joint statement saying the events at Qana "have underlined the urgency of the need for a ceasefire as soon as possible."
French President Jacques Chirac condemned the bombing as an "unjustifiable action which shows more than ever the need to agree on an immediate ceasefire".
Spain announced that Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos, a former EU Mideast envoy, would visit Lebanon on Wednesday out of "solidarity with the Lebanese people and government."
The governments of Italy and Ireland also expressed their consternation, as did Greence, saying: "Nothing can justify the massive slaughter of civilians."
Switzerland said it acknowledged the right of Israel to defend itself but added: "The operations should adhere strictly to the rules of international humitarian law."
EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said nothing could justify the Qana bombing, adding that the EU backed an "immediate ceasefire".
Morocco dubbed the attack "odious" and reiterated calls for the international community to press for an end to hostilities.
Around 5,000 protesters marched in Belgium following the attacks, as did more than 600 in Paris.
Print this out and save it.
Print this out and save it.
Last edited by St. Jerry on Jul 31st, '06, 11:40, edited 2 times in total.
Ron Paul 2012
-
BigKahuna13
- Site Admin
- Posts: 6488
- Joined: Nov 5th, '04, 09:10
- Location: Under the Boardwalk
- Contact:
Isn't the fact that the Terrorist Group Hutza whatever it is hiding among or near the civilian population by itself a war crime? Using people as human shields without actually holding them. Then they fire rockets aimlessly into Isreali populated areas. Yet it is Isreal that is condemned for attempting to eliminate the rocket launchers and terrorists.
Note they are Terrorists and not an army of any nation. You cannot condone the bombing of the civilians, but you also must condemn the actions of terrorists who hide amonst those civilians.
Note they are Terrorists and not an army of any nation. You cannot condone the bombing of the civilians, but you also must condemn the actions of terrorists who hide amonst those civilians.
MUST STOP POSTING ! MUST STOP POSTING !
Shut up and Ski!
Why's Everybody Always Pickin on Me?
Shut up and Ski!
Why's Everybody Always Pickin on Me?
-
shortski
- Site Admin
- Posts: 8067
- Joined: Nov 5th, '04, 07:28
- Location: Between the Dark and the Daylight
- Contact:
The 48 hour cease fire by Israel lasted less than 24 because of renewed missile strikes by Hezbollah, targeting Israeli civilians, where's the international outrage. I hope Israel takes care of business so we don't have to deal with these terrorist ourselves.
As for Hezbollah, it has been firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas and the UN Humanitarian chief Jan Egeland has accused it of using civilians as cover.
"Such consistent failure to distinguish combatants and civilians is a war crime," he said.
In a statement, the Israel Defense Forces said: "Responsibility for any and all casualties among uninvolved Lebanese civilians lies squarely on the shoulders of Hezbollah, which abuses civilians as human shields, and on the Lebanese government which fails to prevent this."
Two side to every war and remember who started this latetest comflict. Isreal pulled out of southern Lebanon with the assurance that the Leanese Government would disarm Hezbollaha, now Isreal is doing the job Lebanon or the Great UN should have done back in 2000.
A differnet perspective;
July 31, 2006
What other country …?
By Charles Krauthammer
The Detroit News, July 31, 2006
· What other country when attacked in an unprovoked aggression across a recognized international frontier, is then put on a countdown clock by the world, given a limited time window in which to fight back, regardless of whether it has restored its own security?
· What other Country sustains 1,500 indiscriminate rocket attacks into its cities — everyone designed to kill, maim and terrorize civilians — and is then vilified by the world when it tries to destroy the enemy’s infrastructure and strongholds with precision guideded munitions that sometimes have the unintended but unavoidable consequence of collateral civilian death and suffering?
Hearing the world pass judgment on the Israel- Hezbollah war as it unfolds is to live in an Orwellian moral universe With a few significant exceptions (the leadership of the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada and a very few others), the world — governments, the media, U.N. bureaucrats has completely lost its moral bearings.
The word magically inverts victim into aggressor is “disproportionate,” as in the universally decried “disproportionate Israeli response?’ When the United States was attacked at Pearl Harbor, it did not respond with a parallel “proportionate” attack on a Japanese naval base. it launched a four-year campaign that killed millions of Japanese, reduced Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki to a cinder, and turned the Japanese home islands to rubble and ruin.
Disproportionate? No. When one is wantonly attacked by an aggressor, one has every right — legal and moral — to carry the fight until the aggressor is disarmed and so disabled that it cannot threaten one’s security again.
The perversity of today’s international outcry lies In the fact that there is indeed a disproportion in this war - a radical moral asymmetry between Hezbollah and Israel. Hezbollah is deliberately trying to create civilian casualties on both sides, while Israel is deliberately trying to minimize civilian casualties, also on both sides.
In perhaps the most blatant terror campaign from the air since the London blitz, Hezbollah is r*ining rockets on Israeli cities and villages. These rockets are packed with ball bearings that can penetrate automobiles and shred human flesh. They are meant to kill and maim. And they do.
But it is a dual campaign. Israeli innocents must die for Israel to be terrorized. But Lebanese innocents must also die for Israel to be demonized, which is why Hezbollah hides its fighters, its rockets, its launchers, its entire infrastructure among civilians. Creating human shields is a war crime.
On Wednesday, CNN cameras showed destruction in Tyre. What does Israel have against Tyre and its inhabitants? Nothing. But the long-range Hezbollah rockets that have been r*ining terror on Haifa are based in Tyre. What is Israel to do? Leave untouched the launch sites?
Israel’s response to Hezboflah has been to use the most precise weaponry and targeting it can. It has no interest, no desire to kill Lebanese civilians. In the bitter fight against Hezbollah in south Lebanon, it has repeatedly dropped leaflets, issued warnings, sent messages by radio and even phone text to Lebanese villagers to evacuate so they would not be harmed.
Israel knows these warnings give the Hezbollah fighters time to escape and re-group. The advance notification as to where the next attack is coming has allowed Hezbollah to setup elaborate ambushes. The result? Unexpectedly high Israeli casualties. Israeli soldiers die so Lebanese civilians will not. And who does the international community condemn for disregarding civilian life?
Charles Krauthammer writes for the Washington Post
As for Hezbollah, it has been firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas and the UN Humanitarian chief Jan Egeland has accused it of using civilians as cover.
"Such consistent failure to distinguish combatants and civilians is a war crime," he said.
In a statement, the Israel Defense Forces said: "Responsibility for any and all casualties among uninvolved Lebanese civilians lies squarely on the shoulders of Hezbollah, which abuses civilians as human shields, and on the Lebanese government which fails to prevent this."
Two side to every war and remember who started this latetest comflict. Isreal pulled out of southern Lebanon with the assurance that the Leanese Government would disarm Hezbollaha, now Isreal is doing the job Lebanon or the Great UN should have done back in 2000.
A differnet perspective;
July 31, 2006
What other country …?
By Charles Krauthammer
The Detroit News, July 31, 2006
· What other country when attacked in an unprovoked aggression across a recognized international frontier, is then put on a countdown clock by the world, given a limited time window in which to fight back, regardless of whether it has restored its own security?
· What other Country sustains 1,500 indiscriminate rocket attacks into its cities — everyone designed to kill, maim and terrorize civilians — and is then vilified by the world when it tries to destroy the enemy’s infrastructure and strongholds with precision guideded munitions that sometimes have the unintended but unavoidable consequence of collateral civilian death and suffering?
Hearing the world pass judgment on the Israel- Hezbollah war as it unfolds is to live in an Orwellian moral universe With a few significant exceptions (the leadership of the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada and a very few others), the world — governments, the media, U.N. bureaucrats has completely lost its moral bearings.
The word magically inverts victim into aggressor is “disproportionate,” as in the universally decried “disproportionate Israeli response?’ When the United States was attacked at Pearl Harbor, it did not respond with a parallel “proportionate” attack on a Japanese naval base. it launched a four-year campaign that killed millions of Japanese, reduced Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki to a cinder, and turned the Japanese home islands to rubble and ruin.
Disproportionate? No. When one is wantonly attacked by an aggressor, one has every right — legal and moral — to carry the fight until the aggressor is disarmed and so disabled that it cannot threaten one’s security again.
The perversity of today’s international outcry lies In the fact that there is indeed a disproportion in this war - a radical moral asymmetry between Hezbollah and Israel. Hezbollah is deliberately trying to create civilian casualties on both sides, while Israel is deliberately trying to minimize civilian casualties, also on both sides.
In perhaps the most blatant terror campaign from the air since the London blitz, Hezbollah is r*ining rockets on Israeli cities and villages. These rockets are packed with ball bearings that can penetrate automobiles and shred human flesh. They are meant to kill and maim. And they do.
But it is a dual campaign. Israeli innocents must die for Israel to be terrorized. But Lebanese innocents must also die for Israel to be demonized, which is why Hezbollah hides its fighters, its rockets, its launchers, its entire infrastructure among civilians. Creating human shields is a war crime.
On Wednesday, CNN cameras showed destruction in Tyre. What does Israel have against Tyre and its inhabitants? Nothing. But the long-range Hezbollah rockets that have been r*ining terror on Haifa are based in Tyre. What is Israel to do? Leave untouched the launch sites?
Israel’s response to Hezboflah has been to use the most precise weaponry and targeting it can. It has no interest, no desire to kill Lebanese civilians. In the bitter fight against Hezbollah in south Lebanon, it has repeatedly dropped leaflets, issued warnings, sent messages by radio and even phone text to Lebanese villagers to evacuate so they would not be harmed.
Israel knows these warnings give the Hezbollah fighters time to escape and re-group. The advance notification as to where the next attack is coming has allowed Hezbollah to setup elaborate ambushes. The result? Unexpectedly high Israeli casualties. Israeli soldiers die so Lebanese civilians will not. And who does the international community condemn for disregarding civilian life?
Charles Krauthammer writes for the Washington Post
Cogito, ergo sum
Sometimes it is that simple.
Sometimes it is that simple.
-
BigKahuna13
- Site Admin
- Posts: 6488
- Joined: Nov 5th, '04, 09:10
- Location: Under the Boardwalk
- Contact:
-
shortski
- Site Admin
- Posts: 8067
- Joined: Nov 5th, '04, 07:28
- Location: Between the Dark and the Daylight
- Contact:
If they truly were then lets see them turn in these dirty bastards. Bad men prevail when good people do nothing. Talk is cheep but when your adversary's goal is wiping your existence off the planet, then I think anything needed to insure your survival is in order. IMHO.BigKahuna13 wrote:Being justified and being smart are not the same thing.
Most moderate Arab states - and many Lebanese for that matter - were appalled by the initial Hizbollah raid and publicly condemned them. That's not the case anymore.
Cogito, ergo sum
Sometimes it is that simple.
Sometimes it is that simple.
How easy it is to put your expectations on others from the comfort and safety of Vermont. Israel is killing the Lebanese people. It may be in response to the actions of Hezbollah, but the bombs are coming from Israeli jets. You might be pissed off at your brother for provoking your neighbor, but when your neighbor kills your wife suddenly your brother is your ally. It's pretty freakin simple...and understandable. Why anyone would expect a different outcome is beyone me.shortski wrote:If they truly were then lets see them turn in these dirty bastards. Bad men prevail when good people do nothing. Talk is cheep but when your adversary's goal is wiping your existence off the planet, then I think anything needed to insure your survival is in order. IMHO.BigKahuna13 wrote:Being justified and being smart are not the same thing.
Most moderate Arab states - and many Lebanese for that matter - were appalled by the initial Hizbollah raid and publicly condemned them. That's not the case anymore.
-
shortski
- Site Admin
- Posts: 8067
- Joined: Nov 5th, '04, 07:28
- Location: Between the Dark and the Daylight
- Contact:
No, I would turn in my brother so the 265lb ex pro boxer next door doesn't get really pissed off and take it out on me. Tell me how does Israel deal with these terrorists if not from a position of strength and security.Cityskier wrote:How easy it is to put your expectations on others from the comfort and safety of Vermont. Israel is killing the Lebanese people. It may be in response to the actions of Hezbollah, but the bombs are coming from Israeli jets. You might be pissed off at your brother for provoking your neighbor, but when your neighbor kills your wife suddenly your brother is your ally. It's pretty freakin simple...and understandable. Why anyone would expect a different outcome is beyone me.shortski wrote:If they truly were then lets see them turn in these dirty bastards. Bad men prevail when good people do nothing. Talk is cheep but when your adversary's goal is wiping your existence off the planet, then I think anything needed to insure your survival is in order. IMHO.BigKahuna13 wrote:Being justified and being smart are not the same thing.
Most moderate Arab states - and many Lebanese for that matter - were appalled by the initial Hizbollah raid and publicly condemned them. That's not the case anymore.
Cogito, ergo sum
Sometimes it is that simple.
Sometimes it is that simple.
That's fine if you have someone to turn the perp into, but unfortunately the Lebanese government doesn't seem up to the task leaving the general population is a bit of a conundrum. I hear what you're saying, but I think the reality of the situation over there leaves people with some extremely difficult choices.shortski wrote:No, I would turn in my brother so the 265lb ex pro boxer next door doesn't get really pissed off and take it out on me. Tell me how does Israel deal with these terrorists if not from a position of strength and security.Cityskier wrote:How easy it is to put your expectations on others from the comfort and safety of Vermont. Israel is killing the Lebanese people. It may be in response to the actions of Hezbollah, but the bombs are coming from Israeli jets. You might be pissed off at your brother for provoking your neighbor, but when your neighbor kills your wife suddenly your brother is your ally. It's pretty freakin simple...and understandable. Why anyone would expect a different outcome is beyone me.shortski wrote:If they truly were then lets see them turn in these dirty bastards. Bad men prevail when good people do nothing. Talk is cheep but when your adversary's goal is wiping your existence off the planet, then I think anything needed to insure your survival is in order. IMHO.BigKahuna13 wrote:Being justified and being smart are not the same thing.
Most moderate Arab states - and many Lebanese for that matter - were appalled by the initial Hizbollah raid and publicly condemned them. That's not the case anymore.
-
shortski
- Site Admin
- Posts: 8067
- Joined: Nov 5th, '04, 07:28
- Location: Between the Dark and the Daylight
- Contact:
The Israelis have plenty of undercover operatives in Lebanon as well as informants. If truly concerned about peace and ridding themselves of the human plague that is Hezbollah and all other terrorists then they should turn them in or identify them so Israel can take them out, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. Allowing terrorists to hide in the general population gives them a place of relative safety to carry out their attacks and by doing so they are complicit in the actions of Hezbollah, IMHO.Cityskier wrote:That's fine if you have someone to turn the perp into, but unfortunately the Lebanese government doesn't seem up to the task leaving the general population is a bit of a conundrum. I hear what you're saying, but I think the reality of the situation over there leaves people with some extremely difficult choices.shortski wrote:No, I would turn in my brother so the 265lb ex pro boxer next door doesn't get really pissed off and take it out on me. Tell me how does Israel deal with these terrorists if not from a position of strength and security.Cityskier wrote:How easy it is to put your expectations on others from the comfort and safety of Vermont. Israel is killing the Lebanese people. It may be in response to the actions of Hezbollah, but the bombs are coming from Israeli jets. You might be pissed off at your brother for provoking your neighbor, but when your neighbor kills your wife suddenly your brother is your ally. It's pretty freakin simple...and understandable. Why anyone would expect a different outcome is beyone me.shortski wrote:If they truly were then lets see them turn in these dirty bastards. Bad men prevail when good people do nothing. Talk is cheep but when your adversary's goal is wiping your existence off the planet, then I think anything needed to insure your survival is in order. IMHO.BigKahuna13 wrote:Being justified and being smart are not the same thing.
Most moderate Arab states - and many Lebanese for that matter - were appalled by the initial Hizbollah raid and publicly condemned them. That's not the case anymore.
Cogito, ergo sum
Sometimes it is that simple.
Sometimes it is that simple.
-
BigKahuna13
- Site Admin
- Posts: 6488
- Joined: Nov 5th, '04, 09:10
- Location: Under the Boardwalk
- Contact:
Whether or not Lebanese citizens have a responsibility to turn in Hizballah members to the Israeli's and are complicit for not doing so is beside the point. Israel's actions have turned moderate muslim popular opinion completely against them, which will in the end probably wind up getting more Israeli's killed than anything else.shortski wrote:The Israelis have plenty of undercover operatives in Lebanon as well as informants. If truly concerned about peace and ridding themselves of the human plague that is Hezbollah and all other terrorists then they should turn them in or identify them so Israel can take them out, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. Allowing terrorists to hide in the general population gives them a place of relative safety to carry out their attacks and by doing so they are complicit in the actions of Hezbollah, IMHO.Cityskier wrote:That's fine if you have someone to turn the perp into, but unfortunately the Lebanese government doesn't seem up to the task leaving the general population is a bit of a conundrum. I hear what you're saying, but I think the reality of the situation over there leaves people with some extremely difficult choices.shortski wrote:No, I would turn in my brother so the 265lb ex pro boxer next door doesn't get really pissed off and take it out on me. Tell me how does Israel deal with these terrorists if not from a position of strength and security.Cityskier wrote:How easy it is to put your expectations on others from the comfort and safety of Vermont. Israel is killing the Lebanese people. It may be in response to the actions of Hezbollah, but the bombs are coming from Israeli jets. You might be pissed off at your brother for provoking your neighbor, but when your neighbor kills your wife suddenly your brother is your ally. It's pretty freakin simple...and understandable. Why anyone would expect a different outcome is beyone me.shortski wrote: If they truly were then lets see them turn in these dirty bastards. Bad men prevail when good people do nothing. Talk is cheep but when your adversary's goal is wiping your existence off the planet, then I think anything needed to insure your survival is in order. IMHO.
Just my opinon, but because of their heavy handed response they missed a choice opportunity to isolate Hizballah and make themselves look like good guys to the arab world.
Don't think many people would have faulted a more moderate "face saving" military response. But they've gone far beyond that.
What is not possible is not to choose. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Well said, Kahuna. I personally believe SS's response belongs in fantasy land. Turning informant would do nothing but dramatically shorten the informant's life expectancy. I understand Shortski's theory, but I believe a dose of reality is desparately needed.BigKahuna13 wrote:Whether or not Lebanese citizens have a responsibility to turn in Hizballah members to the Israeli's and are complicit for not doing so is beside the point. Israel's actions have turned moderate muslim popular opinion completely against them, which will in the end probably wind up getting more Israeli's killed than anything else.shortski wrote:The Israelis have plenty of undercover operatives in Lebanon as well as informants. If truly concerned about peace and ridding themselves of the human plague that is Hezbollah and all other terrorists then they should turn them in or identify them so Israel can take them out, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. Allowing terrorists to hide in the general population gives them a place of relative safety to carry out their attacks and by doing so they are complicit in the actions of Hezbollah, IMHO.Cityskier wrote:That's fine if you have someone to turn the perp into, but unfortunately the Lebanese government doesn't seem up to the task leaving the general population is a bit of a conundrum. I hear what you're saying, but I think the reality of the situation over there leaves people with some extremely difficult choices.shortski wrote:No, I would turn in my brother so the 265lb ex pro boxer next door doesn't get really pissed off and take it out on me. Tell me how does Israel deal with these terrorists if not from a position of strength and security.Cityskier wrote: How easy it is to put your expectations on others from the comfort and safety of Vermont. Israel is killing the Lebanese people. It may be in response to the actions of Hezbollah, but the bombs are coming from Israeli jets. You might be pissed off at your brother for provoking your neighbor, but when your neighbor kills your wife suddenly your brother is your ally. It's pretty freakin simple...and understandable. Why anyone would expect a different outcome is beyone me.
Just my opinon, but because of their heavy handed response they missed a choice opportunity to isolate Hizballah and make themselves look like good guys to the arab world.
Don't think many people would have faulted a more moderate "face saving" military response. But they've gone far beyond that.
-
XtremeJibber2001
- Signature Poster
- Posts: 19609
- Joined: Nov 5th, '04, 09:35
- Location: New York
The Media and UN rage against Isreal bombing in civilian areas, but at the same time limited coverage and condemnation of indiscriminante rocket attacks on strictly civilian areas by Hezbollah continues. So, Isreal is BAD for attacking strong holds of Hezbollah while Hezbollah should get a cease fire to restock and continue to lob Missiles into Isreal.XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Hezbollah's greatest weapon is the media. As long as Israel is killing civilians (intentionally or not) most of the arab world will be against Israel.
Wasn't the UN and Lebanon supposed to disarm Hezbollah some 6 years ago? Yep, must be Isreals fault.
MUST STOP POSTING ! MUST STOP POSTING !
Shut up and Ski!
Why's Everybody Always Pickin on Me?
Shut up and Ski!
Why's Everybody Always Pickin on Me?