NYC Bans Transfat

DMC_Freeride · Post by **DMC_Freeride** » Dec 7th, '06, 09:52

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....

Your assuming that these consumers can afford something better then fast food.. :(

Post by **Bubba** » Dec 7th, '06, 09:55

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Bubba wrote:many restaurants also cook with trans fats so, unless they're banned or at least required to be clearly identified, we really don't have a choice....do we...unless we choose not to eat out at all.
If one was "really" concerned about TransFat, couldn't the consumer/customer ask the restaurant to clarify what they're cooking with? At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....

So...you go out with a bunch of friends to a restaurant. You get a table and sit down, review the menu, then order. XJib, being the "health concious" person in the group, asks about trans fats and learns that anything that appeals to him on the menu is cooked with trans fats. OK friends, let's leave. You think this is rational?

BigKahuna13 · Post by **BigKahuna13** » Dec 7th, '06, 09:57

Bubba wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Bubba wrote:many restaurants also cook with trans fats so, unless they're banned or at least required to be clearly identified, we really don't have a choice....do we...unless we choose not to eat out at all.
If one was "really" concerned about TransFat, couldn't the consumer/customer ask the restaurant to clarify what they're cooking with? At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....
So...you go out with a bunch of friends to a restaurant. You get a table and sit down, review the menu, then order. XJib, being the "health concious" person in the group, asks about trans fats and learns that anything that appeals to him on the menu is cooked with trans fats. OK friends, let's leave. You think this is rational?

Fine. So you label choices with trans-fats on the menu as such and let the consumer decide.

BadDog · Post by **BadDog** » Dec 7th, '06, 09:58

DMC_Freeride wrote:
Bubba wrote:
DMC_Freeride wrote:It's easy to be Conservative when your rich...
Classic Liberal jealousy. By the way, it's just as easy to be Liberal when you're rich.
The rich want to stay rich and support Conservatives(fiscal) but why would rich Liberals want to stay Libs if they stand to lose $$?.

1) Moral Quality (e.g. President Clinton calling for cutback on tax breaks to the richest 2% while acknowledging they now that he is rich, the tax cuts benefit him.)

2) The real economy did better under the "liberal" (really conservative?) presidency of Bill "You the Man" Clinton than under the "conservative" (really radical) presidency of "Benedict" Bush.

Post by **Bubba** » Dec 7th, '06, 09:59

DMC_Freeride wrote:
The rich want to stay rich and support Conservatives(fiscal) but why would rich Liberals want to stay Libs if they stand to lose $$?.

See:

George Soros
Bono
Ted Kennedy
John Kerry

Thousands more, of course.

Maybe people are motivated by more than money? Maybe principles apply? Maybe principles apply equally when it comes to both liberals and conservatives?

XtremeJibber2001 · Post by **XtremeJibber2001** » Dec 7th, '06, 10:01

Bubba wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Bubba wrote:many restaurants also cook with trans fats so, unless they're banned or at least required to be clearly identified, we really don't have a choice....do we...unless we choose not to eat out at all.
If one was "really" concerned about TransFat, couldn't the consumer/customer ask the restaurant to clarify what they're cooking with? At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....
So...you go out with a bunch of friends to a restaurant. You get a table and sit down, review the menu, then order. XJib, being the "health concious" person in the group, asks about trans fats and learns that anything that appeals to him on the menu is cooked with trans fats. OK friends, let's leave. You think this is rational?

I think the rational and intelligent person would make it known to their friends that they have a problem with unhealthy food (i.e. TransFat) and their friends will be aware of this before going out to dine.

Before sitting at the table, the "health freak" could presumably call the restaurant prior to attending so they can be informed if any foods contain TransFat and steer clear of those entrees or opt not to spend money at this establishment.

Post by **Bubba** » Dec 7th, '06, 10:02

BigKahuna13 wrote:
Bubba wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Bubba wrote:many restaurants also cook with trans fats so, unless they're banned or at least required to be clearly identified, we really don't have a choice....do we...unless we choose not to eat out at all.
If one was "really" concerned about TransFat, couldn't the consumer/customer ask the restaurant to clarify what they're cooking with? At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....
So...you go out with a bunch of friends to a restaurant. You get a table and sit down, review the menu, then order. XJib, being the "health concious" person in the group, asks about trans fats and learns that anything that appeals to him on the menu is cooked with trans fats. OK friends, let's leave. You think this is rational?
Fine. So you label choices with trans-fats on the menu as such and let the consumer decide.

What if the vast majority of restaurants cook with trans fats and you don't know which is which until you're sitting at the table? You're now faced with having to force restaurants to post their menus in the window - another regulation.

Post by **Bubba** » Dec 7th, '06, 10:04

DMC_Freeride wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....
Your assuming that these consumers can afford something better then fast food.. :(

Maybe the poor shouldn't be eating out at all?

XtremeJibber2001 · Post by **XtremeJibber2001** » Dec 7th, '06, 10:06

Bubba wrote:
BigKahuna13 wrote:
Bubba wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Bubba wrote:many restaurants also cook with trans fats so, unless they're banned or at least required to be clearly identified, we really don't have a choice....do we...unless we choose not to eat out at all.
If one was "really" concerned about TransFat, couldn't the consumer/customer ask the restaurant to clarify what they're cooking with? At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....
So...you go out with a bunch of friends to a restaurant. You get a table and sit down, review the menu, then order. XJib, being the "health concious" person in the group, asks about trans fats and learns that anything that appeals to him on the menu is cooked with trans fats. OK friends, let's leave. You think this is rational?
Fine. So you label choices with trans-fats on the menu as such and let the consumer decide.
What if the vast majority of restaurants cook with trans fats and you don't know which is which until you're sitting at the table? You're now faced with having to force restaurants to post their menus in the window - another regulation.

Do you really think people are that dumb? Restaurants publish menu's (online and other ways) and potential customers can call before attending so they know what food and substances are available before dining.

Do you go to restaurants, get seated, and then decide if you like the food or selection? No, you call, talk to friends, look at their menu online, etc.

DMC_Freeride · Post by **DMC_Freeride** » Dec 7th, '06, 10:07

Bubba wrote: Maybe people are motivated by more than money? Maybe principles apply? Maybe principles apply equally when it comes to both liberals and conservatives?

ding ding ding.... :)

DMC_Freeride · Post by **DMC_Freeride** » Dec 7th, '06, 10:08

Bubba wrote:
DMC_Freeride wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....
Your assuming that these consumers can afford something better then fast food.. :(
Maybe the poor shouldn't be eating out at all?

Then who would we tax?

XtremeJibber2001 · Post by **XtremeJibber2001** » Dec 7th, '06, 10:08

DMC_Freeride wrote:
Bubba wrote:
DMC_Freeride wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....
Your assuming that these consumers can afford something better then fast food.. :(
Maybe the poor shouldn't be eating out at all?
Then who would we tax?

Duh, the rich people!

BigKahuna13 · Post by **BigKahuna13** » Dec 7th, '06, 10:21

Bubba wrote:
BigKahuna13 wrote:
Bubba wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Bubba wrote:many restaurants also cook with trans fats so, unless they're banned or at least required to be clearly identified, we really don't have a choice....do we...unless we choose not to eat out at all.
If one was "really" concerned about TransFat, couldn't the consumer/customer ask the restaurant to clarify what they're cooking with? At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....
So...you go out with a bunch of friends to a restaurant. You get a table and sit down, review the menu, then order. XJib, being the "health concious" person in the group, asks about trans fats and learns that anything that appeals to him on the menu is cooked with trans fats. OK friends, let's leave. You think this is rational?
Fine. So you label choices with trans-fats on the menu as such and let the consumer decide.
What if the vast majority of restaurants cook with trans fats and you don't know which is which until you're sitting at the table? You're now faced with having to force restaurants to post their menus in the window - another regulation.

Lesser of two evils. Besides most decent NYC restaurants already post
their menus in the window - or have you forgotten that because of too many years in the boondocks :)

Post by **Bubba** » Dec 7th, '06, 10:23

XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Do you really think people are that dumb?

This is a rhetorical question, right?

XtremeJibber2001 wrote: Restaurants publish menu's (online and other ways) and potential customers can call before attending so they know what food and substances are available before dining.

Do you go to restaurants, get seated, and then decide if you like the food or selection? No, you call, talk to friends, look at their menu online, etc.

So you are saying that all restaurant menus should be labeled with trans fat content, and that this must be posted outside the restaurant and on all on-line menus? And that whoever answers the phone at a restaurant when you call must be knowledgeable about which dishes are cooked with trans fats and which aren't?

Post by **Bubba** » Dec 7th, '06, 10:25

DMC_Freeride wrote:
Bubba wrote: Maybe people are motivated by more than money? Maybe principles apply? Maybe principles apply equally when it comes to both liberals and conservatives?
ding ding ding.... :)

But you blame (accuse?) Conservatives for being motivated by money and assume Liberals are motivated by principle?