NYC Bans Transfat

[Bubba]

At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....

Your assuming that these consumers can afford something better then fast food.. :(

Maybe the poor shouldn't be eating out at all?

Then who would we tax?

Let them eat cake.

[SkiDork]

At this point, the consumer can make the choice to eat at this particular establishment or not ....

Your assuming that these consumers can afford something better then fast food.. :(

Maybe the poor shouldn't be eating out at all?

Then who would we tax?

Let them eat cake.

[XtremeJibber2001]

So you are saying that all restaurant menus should be labeled with trans fat content, and that this must be posted outside the restaurant and on all on-line menus? And that whoever answers the phone at a restaurant when you call must be knowledgeable about which dishes are cooked with trans fats and which aren't?

No, no, and no.

I'm saying that there are various ways customers can find out if TransFat is being used in meals.

It shouldn't be the government forcing this down everyone's throat. If TransFat was that important of an issue, the market would adjust and restaurant owners would make changes as they see fit.

This should NOT be a government issue.

[SkiDork]

So you are saying that all restaurant menus should be labeled with trans fat content, and that this must be posted outside the restaurant and on all on-line menus? And that whoever answers the phone at a restaurant when you call must be knowledgeable about which dishes are cooked with trans fats and which aren't?

No, no, and no.

I'm saying that there are various ways customers can find out if TransFat is being used in meals.

It shouldn't be the government forcing this down everyone's throat. If TransFat was that important of an issue, the market would adjust and restaurant owners would make changes as they see fit.

This should NOT be a government issue.

Is there like a "trans Fat Detector" you can buy?

[XtremeJibber2001]

So you are saying that all restaurant menus should be labeled with trans fat content, and that this must be posted outside the restaurant and on all on-line menus? And that whoever answers the phone at a restaurant when you call must be knowledgeable about which dishes are cooked with trans fats and which aren't?

No, no, and no.

I'm saying that there are various ways customers can find out if TransFat is being used in meals.

It shouldn't be the government forcing this down everyone's throat. If TransFat was that important of an issue, the market would adjust and restaurant owners would make changes as they see fit.

This should NOT be a government issue.

Is there like a "trans Fat Detector" you can buy?

Hmm ... maybe I'll patent it ... once I figure out how to do it!

[BadDog]

But you blame (accuse?) Conservatives for being motivated by money and assume Liberals are motivated by principle?

I would accuse Neo-Conservatives (and the New Christian Right) of being motivated by money and suggest that real Liberals and real Conservatives (Barry Goldwater) are motivated by principle.

Tax-and-Spend versus No-Tax-and-No-Spend is an interesting arguement and a healthy dynamic for the country.

The Neo-Con ("Benedict" Bush) No-Tax-and-Spend-Plenty policy is Insane or Treasonous or both.

"Remember 9/11 -- Impeach the Traitor!"

[Bubba]

But you blame (accuse?) Conservatives for being motivated by money and assume Liberals are motivated by principle?

I would accuse Neo-Conservatives (and the New Christian Right) of being motivated by money and suggest that real Liberals and real Conservatives (Barry Goldwater) are motivated by principle.

Therefore, a Liberal beneficiary of government largesse is motivated by principle, not money, but a Conservative beneficiary of government largesse is motivated by money, not by principle. Yes, I see your point. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[BadDog]

But you blame (accuse?) Conservatives for being motivated by money and assume Liberals are motivated by principle?

I would accuse Neo-Conservatives (and the New Christian Right) of being motivated by money and suggest that real Liberals and real Conservatives (Barry Goldwater) are motivated by principle.

Therefore, a Liberal beneficiary of government largesse is motivated by principle, not money, but a Conservative beneficiary of government largesse is motivated by money, not by principle.

No, I never said that. (See above. Liberals and Conservatives act on American principles -- Neo-Cons (and Yuppies?) are motivated by money and/or Treason, not American principle.)

Unless you accept the Neo-Cons (Bush-shites) as Real Conservatives, which they clearly are not. (Profound differences in regards to basic economic principles and subversion of the United States Constitution. Also social issues: it is Conservative to uphold abortion rights as they have been the law of the land for 30 years -- it is Radical to try to destroy these rights based on Religous fancies.)

[BigKahuna13]

But you blame (accuse?) Conservatives for being motivated by money and assume Liberals are motivated by principle?

I would accuse Neo-Conservatives (and the New Christian Right) of being motivated by money and suggest that real Liberals and real Conservatives (Barry Goldwater) are motivated by principle.

Therefore, a Liberal beneficiary of government largesse is motivated by principle, not money, but a Conservative beneficiary of government largesse is motivated by money, not by principle.

No, I never said that. (See above. Liberals and Conservatives act on American principles -- Neo-Cons (and Yuppies?) are motivated by money and/or Treason, not American principle.)

Unless you accept the Neo-Cons (Bush-sites) as Real Conservatives, which they clearly are not.

Neo cons are not real conservatives. I do find it interesting that you didn't point to radical liberal equivalents of the Neocons. Do does such not exist?

[BadDog]

Neo cons are not real conservatives. I do find it interesting that you didn't point to radical liberal equivalents of the Neocons. Do does such not exist?

Perhaps Yuppies?

(The term is a perversion of the Liberal Yippie -- adopted by "Liberal" baby-boomers when they sold out?)

Otherwise, perhaps the Radical Liberal Equivalent has all but died out with the decline of the Socialist/marxist movement (when the Communist Soviet Union collapsed, which was of course an utterly predictable event given the nature of the system and would have occured no matter what America did.)

[Clutch]

The movie, "SuperSize Me" was all about how ignorant many people are to the fact that fast food is not healthy.

That may have been Morgan Spurlock's intention, but really it was just glorified reality tv. Going from a strict vegan diet to a complete fast food diet and ceasing excersise doesn't prove people are ignorant. It proves you will sacrifice your body to make a movie. The only good part of that DVD was the interview with Eric Schlosser.

Seriously, as for trans fats, while we think of trans fats primarily with regard to fast food places like McDonalds, many restaurants also cook with trans fats so, unless they're banned or at least required to be clearly identified, we really don't have a choice....do we...unless we choose not to eat out at all.

Labeling is a good choice. Things like transfats are fine in moderation. It also give people an opportunity to

So...you go out with a bunch of friends to a restaurant. You get a table and sit down, review the menu, then order. XJib, being the "health concious" person in the group, asks about trans fats and learns that anything that appeals to him on the menu is cooked with trans fats. OK friends, let's leave. You think this is rational?.

No, you can chose not to go back to that restaurant. The problem with banning things like trans fats, aside from limiting our freedom, is that it sends the wrong message. People should learn how to eat and not depend on the government to baby them. What's next a ban on chocolate? Or maybe all fried food?

[Dr. NO]

Is this going to be like the NJ ban on not fully cooked eggs? I think that law lasted about 4 months or so because people wanted Poached, Sunny Side up and Over Easy rather than Hard Boiled or over Hard.

Just what we need, move interferance with personal choices and more labels to read so you can make a "healthy" choice.

BTW, there is a dietician MD who has a taped speach regarding Butter, Oil and FAT. His comment is Fat is Fat. Put any label on it you like, but the body treats it like FAT.