NSR/OT: Iranian mission says he'll go despite NYPD rejection

[b-5]

I say he can check it out If I get to light him up with a 50 cal!

[b-5]

Let him check it out or not? What kind of question is that? Last time I
checked this isn't Iran. We let our visitors pretty much go wherever they
want.

And keeping the media away is a horrible, unconstitutional, anti everything American is supposed to stand for, idea.

And this does belong in the political forum.

You are NOT looking at the BIG picture......YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE USED TO ESCORT HIM TO THE WTC!
can you hear me now?
Ok, the United States can not stop him from coming to the UN, give his Hate Speach and then Get back on a plane and go back to killing our troops and his own people.(due to a treaty with the U.sless N. ations
But do we have to supply him with an escort by the secret service?


OK Don't Taze Me BrO!

[BigKahuna13]

Let him visit, and freedom of speech applies to our visitors as well as our citizens. (As you already know, hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so if he were to go off on one of those rants about Israel or the like, he could be arrested)./b]

Also, I noticed that you edited out the part of the article where it said that he wanted to place a wreath at the site.

since when?

and what exactly is "hate speech"?

as a practical matter as a foreign head of state he'd never be arrested.
same reason why he'll eventually be allowed to visit the site whether the
NYPD likes it or not.

What if he goes there and then uses the photo op. as a salute to the " Al-Quida" A$$holes who Hyjacked the Jets and makes them martyr's.

and what you think your fellow Americans are too stupid to figure out
what's going on on their own?

The photo op would not be aimed at our citizens, but Hamas, Hezbollah, and other proclaimed enemies of our Nation and our allies. Why allow them to mock us on hallowed ground to further their cause?

Denying freedom of speech or the press is so fundamentally contrary to what this country is supposed to be about that you need an incredibly good
reason to do it - and even then you need to think twice.

This isn't nearly good enough.

[BigKahuna13]

Let him check it out or not? What kind of question is that? Last time I
checked this isn't Iran. We let our visitors pretty much go wherever they
want.

And keeping the media away is a horrible, unconstitutional, anti everything American is supposed to stand for, idea.

And this does belong in the political forum.

You are NOT looking at the BIG picture......YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE USED TO ESCORT HIM TO THE WTC!
can you hear me now?
Ok, the United States can not stop him from coming to the UN, give his Hate Speach and then Get back on a plane and go back to killing our troops and his own people.(due to a treaty with the U.sless N. ations
But do we have to supply him with an escort by the secret service?


OK Don't Taze Me BrO!

Yep we do. Whether you like the man or not he's a head of state and gets the same privileges that any other head of state gets. That's just the way it works.

And considering the hundreds of billions wasted in Iraq I'm not gonna worry too much about the OT that gets paid to the Secret Service and the
NYPD.

[millerm277]

Let him visit, and freedom of speech applies to our visitors as well as our citizens. (As you already know, hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so if he were to go off on one of those rants about Israel or the like, he could be arrested)./b]

Also, I noticed that you edited out the part of the article where it said that he wanted to place a wreath at the site.

since when?

and what exactly is "hate speech"?

This explains what is and isn't pretty well. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/project ... speech.htm

In other words.....calling for the annihilation of Israel or Jews isn't likely to fall under the protection of the First Amendment in my opinion.

What if he goes there and then uses the photo op. as a salute to the " Al-Quida" A$$holes who Hyjacked the Jets and makes them martyr's.

To my knowlege, Iran hasn't made any statement calling the Al-Quida members martyr's, or saying that they were justified. (Not saying that Iran doesn't support terrorist groups, but I don't believe Al-Quida is one of them).

[Nevada West]

Let him visit, and freedom of speech applies to our visitors as well as our citizens. (As you already know, hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so if he were to go off on one of those rants about Israel or the like, he could be arrested)./b]

Also, I noticed that you edited out the part of the article where it said that he wanted to place a wreath at the site.

since when?

and what exactly is "hate speech"?

as a practical matter as a foreign head of state he'd never be arrested.
same reason why he'll eventually be allowed to visit the site whether the
NYPD likes it or not.

What if he goes there and then uses the photo op. as a salute to the " Al-Quida" A$$holes who Hyjacked the Jets and makes them martyr's.

and what you think your fellow Americans are too stupid to figure out
what's going on on their own?

The photo op would not be aimed at our citizens, but Hamas, Hezbollah, and other proclaimed enemies of our Nation and our allies. Why allow them to mock us on hallowed ground to further their cause?

Denying freedom of speech or the press is so fundamentally contrary to what this country is supposed to be about that you need an incredibly good
reason to do it - and even then you need to think twice.

This isn't nearly good enough.

He is neither a Citizen of the US which would provide him these rights that we treasure, nor a member of the press.

I guess it is different for others that are citizens ot our Nation to express themselves or to be denied that expression....

Would our dignitaries be allotted the same benefits in the IRoI??? I think not...

[BigKahuna13]

Let him visit, and freedom of speech applies to our visitors as well as our citizens. (As you already know, hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so if he were to go off on one of those rants about Israel or the like, he could be arrested)./b]

Also, I noticed that you edited out the part of the article where it said that he wanted to place a wreath at the site.

since when?

and what exactly is "hate speech"?

This explains what is and isn't pretty well. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/project ... speech.htm

In other words.....calling for the annihilation of Israel or Jews isn't likely to fall under the protection of the First Amendment in my opinion.

I'm not seeing how you can claim that calling for the "anniilation of Isreal" or presumably any other state falls outside first amendment protections based on that link.

I'd go further and suggest that that is exactly the kind of political speech that the founders had in mind when they thought up the first amendment.

And in either case as a foreign head of state if he did violate a US law he'd never be prosecuted.

He is neither a Citizen of the US which would provide him these rights that we treasure, nor a member of the press.

I guess it is different for others that are citizens ot our Nation to express themselves or to be denied that expression....

Would our dignitaries be allotted the same benefits in the IRoI??? I think not...

Non citizens are afforded virtually all the rights that citizens are. The only real exception is voting rights.

The "freedom of the press" issue isn't that he's a member of the press but that the press has the right and responsibility to report on matters of
import. You have a right to know what the President of Iran did or said
at the WTC site. The only way you can know is if a free press is allowed to report on it.

[XtremeJibber2001]

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[b-5]

Let him check it out or not? What kind of question is that? Last time I
checked this isn't Iran. We let our visitors pretty much go wherever they
want.

And keeping the media away is a horrible, unconstitutional, anti everything American is supposed to stand for, idea.

And this does belong in the political forum.

You are NOT looking at the BIG picture......YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE USED TO ESCORT HIM TO THE WTC!
can you hear me now?
Ok, the United States can not stop him from coming to the UN, give his Hate Speach and then Get back on a plane and go back to killing our troops and his own people.(due to a treaty with the U.sless N. ations
But do we have to supply him with an escort by the secret service?


OK Don't Taze Me BrO!

Yep we do. Whether you like the man or not he's a head of state and gets the same privileges that any other head of state gets. That's just the way it works.

And considering the hundreds of billions wasted in Iraq I'm not gonna worry too much about the OT that gets paid to the Secret Service and the
NYPD.

Wrong!
Guess again!
If and ONLY if he was visiting the White House or Congress the gov. ect He would be able to use the Secret Service...But guess where he is visiting?
Take your time tic-tock-tick-tock Ding times up....He is visiting the U.N. soooooo guess just who has to foot the bill and get escort him around?

[XtremeJibber2001]

Denying freedom of speech or the press is so fundamentally contrary to what this country is supposed to be about that you need an incredibly good
reason to do it - and even then you need to think twice.

This isn't nearly good enough.

Do you think President George Washington would have permitted General Cornwallis to speak on a public platform about the annihilation of the US colonies? I'm leaning towards no on this one, based on what I've read.

[b-5]

Denying freedom of speech or the press is so fundamentally contrary to what this country is supposed to be about that you need an incredibly good
reason to do it - and even then you need to think twice.

This isn't nearly good enough.

Do you think President George Washington would have permitted General Cornwallis to speak on a public platform about the annihilation of the US colonies? I'm leaning towards no on this one, based on what I've read.

According to Jimmy Carter Iran is not a threat....Hey did'nt jimmy help the mulahs gain power in Iran?
Hey now theres a fvckup...

[XtremeJibber2001]

Denying freedom of speech or the press is so fundamentally contrary to what this country is supposed to be about that you need an incredibly good
reason to do it - and even then you need to think twice.

This isn't nearly good enough.

Do you think President George Washington would have permitted General Cornwallis to speak on a public platform about the annihilation of the US colonies? I'm leaning towards no on this one, based on what I've read.

According to Jimmy Carter Iran is not a threat....Hey did'nt jimmy help the mulahs gain power in Iran?
Hey now theres a fvckup...

The same Jimmy Carter that essentially blames the Jews for the middle east issue?

Fvckup is an understatement.

[Atomic1]

Let him visit, and freedom of speech applies to our visitors as well as our citizens. (As you already know, hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so if he were to go off on one of those rants about Israel or the like, he could be arrested)./b]

Also, I noticed that you edited out the part of the article where it said that he wanted to place a wreath at the site.

since when?

and what exactly is "hate speech"?

as a practical matter as a foreign head of state he'd never be arrested.
same reason why he'll eventually be allowed to visit the site whether the
NYPD likes it or not.

What if he goes there and then uses the photo op. as a salute to the " Al-Quida" A$$holes who Hyjacked the Jets and makes them martyr's.[/quote/]

and what you think your fellow Americans are too stupid to figure out
what's going on on their own?

The photo op would not be aimed at our citizens, but Hamas, Hezbollah, and other proclaimed enemies of our Nation and our allies. Why allow them to mock us on hallowed ground to further their cause?

Thanks Nevada West .... my thoughts exactly !

[Nevada West]

Let him visit, and freedom of speech applies to our visitors as well as our citizens. (As you already know, hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so if he were to go off on one of those rants about Israel or the like, he could be arrested)./b]

Also, I noticed that you edited out the part of the article where it said that he wanted to place a wreath at the site.

since when?

and what exactly is "hate speech"?

This explains what is and isn't pretty well. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/project ... speech.htm

In other words.....calling for the annihilation of Israel or Jews isn't likely to fall under the protection of the First Amendment in my opinion.

I'm not seeing how you can claim that calling for the "anniilation of Isreal" or presumably any other state falls outside first amendment protections based on that link.

I'd go further and suggest that that is exactly the kind of political speech that the founders had in mind when they thought up the first amendment.

And in either case as a foreign head of state if he did violate a US law he'd never be prosecuted.

He is neither a Citizen of the US which would provide him these rights that we treasure, nor a member of the press.

I guess it is different for others that are citizens ot our Nation to express themselves or to be denied that expression....

Would our dignitaries be allotted the same benefits in the IRoI??? I think not...

Non citizens are afforded virtually all the rights that citizens are. The only real exception is voting rights.

The "freedom of the press" issue isn't that he's a member of the press but that the press has the right and responsibility to report on matters of
import. You have a right to know what the President of Iran did or said
at the WTC site. The only way you can know is if a free press is allowed to report on it.

He is not afforded the "right" to travel wherever he would like.

The State Department has issued Ahmadinejad a C-2 visa, the most restrictive possible, that will limit his movement to a 25-mile radius from Columbus Circle when he comes here to address the United Nations next week. Only North Korean leaders currently get such restrictive visas, the department said.

[KBL Ed]

... this disgusting excuse for a human should not be allowed to make a mockery of the thousand that died that painful day. He's a modern day Nazi ...

It's disrespectful to speak about our president that way.