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An invisible boundary that divides the US in half has started to shift — and it may be an ominous sign for the future - Business Insider
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Physicist: Climate Scientists Are Giving Science a Bad Name

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hillbangin wrote:Physicist: Climate Scientists Are Giving Science a Bad Name

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -bad-name/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yeah! Nice catch.

A couple on money quotes from "Professor Garth Paltridge, formerly a chief scientist with Australia’s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) Division of Atmospheric Research" (a real scientist.)

"Climate research has to rely on spectacularly inaccurate data for information on Earth’s climate of more than a century or two ago; it has to rely on proxy information from tree rings and ice cores and corals and so on, and abstracting a coherent story from it all is something of a statistical nightmare. Even for the most recent century, the huge data sets of directly measured surface temperatures have their problems, and the stories that these data tell are revised in one way or another as new ideas about the correct method of analyzing the data appear on the scene. Such revisions make for tremendous arguments and competing claims about whether cherry picking of data has been used to support the predictions of the AGW theoretical models."

The truth about the rampant fraud in "climate science" is becoming more evident with every passing day.
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Sgt Eddy Brewers wrote:
hillbangin wrote:Physicist: Climate Scientists Are Giving Science a Bad Name

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -bad-name/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yeah! Nice catch.

A couple on money quotes from "Professor Garth Paltridge, formerly a chief scientist with Australia’s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) Division of Atmospheric Research" (a real scientist.)

"Climate research has to rely on spectacularly inaccurate data for information on Earth’s climate of more than a century or two ago; it has to rely on proxy information from tree rings and ice cores and corals and so on, and abstracting a coherent story from it all is something of a statistical nightmare. Even for the most recent century, the huge data sets of directly measured surface temperatures have their problems, and the stories that these data tell are revised in one way or another as new ideas about the correct method of analyzing the data appear on the scene. Such revisions make for tremendous arguments and competing claims about whether cherry picking of data has been used to support the predictions of the AGW theoretical models."

The truth about the rampant fraud in "climate science" is becoming more evident with every passing day.
Let's be clear about one thing. The alleged "fraud" does not mean that the science is wrong. It means that it is questionable and less than "settled".
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Bubba wrote:
Sgt Eddy Brewers wrote:
The truth about the rampant fraud in "climate science" is becoming more evident with every passing day.
Let's be clear about one thing. The alleged "fraud" does not mean that the science is wrong. It means that it is questionable and less than "settled".
OK...well...semantics?

If a scientist presents questionable claims AS SETTLED SCIENCE.... well the best label for that is actually FRAUD.

If the "conclusions" in "climate science" were presented with proper reference to realistic representations of the UNCERTAINTIES, which are MASSIVE... then nobody sane would likely be frightened. The way they are presented by the significant percentage of "climate scientists" who are actually climate activists does represent a fraud on the public... who lack the expertise to properly judge the claims.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/thirty-yea ... 1529623442" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thirty Years On, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?
James Hansen issued dire warnings in the summer of 1988. Today earth is only modestly warmer.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... all-failed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Hatter, if you’re getting your science news from Zerohedge, that might be a problem. :roll:
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rogman wrote:Hatter, if you’re getting your science news from Zerohedge, that might be a problem. :roll:
the article is from the WSJ (paywall) reposted by ZH ( no paywall)...as if climate zealots care where anything they disagree with comes from...and FYI those are simple observations of the failure of doomsday predictions to come to fruition...
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There is no Climate change in Concord, NH this year. Everything is the same, exactly the same.

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It's hot out - I was worried this topic almost made it to page 3

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hillbangin wrote:It's hot out - I was worried this topic almost made it to page 3

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45070498" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Extremely hot in the Dolomite region of Italy. They don't have air conditioning there as the temperature would never get very hot before.
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20th century heat waves

1900 - The historical heatwave of the center of Argentina between the first eight days of February 1900 known as "the week of fire" affects the city of Buenos Aires and Rosario with temperatures of up to 37 ºC (98.6 ºF) but with a very high index of humidity that elevates the sensation of heat to 49 ºC (120.2 ºF) severely affecting the health of people causing at least more than 478 fatalities.
1901 eastern United States heat wave killed 9,500 in the eastern United States.
1906 – During the 1906 United Kingdom heat wave which began in August and lasted into September broke numerous records. On the 2nd temperatures reached 36 °C (96 °F) which still holds the September record however some places beat their local record during September 1911 and September 2016.
1911 – The 1911 United Kingdom heat wave was one of the most severe periods of heat to hit the country with temperatures around 36 °C (97 °F). The heat began in early July and didn't let up until mid September where even in September temperatures were still up to 33 °C (92 °F). It took 79 years for temperature higher to be recorded in the United Kingdom during 1990 United Kingdom heat wave.
1923–1924 – During a period of 160 such days from 31 October 1923 to 7 April 1924, the Western Australian town of Marble reached 100 °F (38 °C).[1]
1936 – The 1936 North American heat wave during the Dust Bowl, followed one of the coldest winters on record—the 1936 North American cold wave. Massive heat waves across North America were persistent in the 1930s, many mid-Atlantic/Ohio valley states recorded their highest temperatures during July 1934. The longest continuous string of 100 °F (38 °C) or higher temperatures was reached for 101 days in Yuma, Arizona during 1937 and the highest temperatures ever reached in Canada were recorded in two locations in Saskatchewan in July 1937.
1950s – A prolonged severe drought and heat wave occurred in the early 1950s throughout the central and southern United States. In some areas it was drier than during the Dust Bowl and the heat wave in most areas was within the top five on record. The heat was particularly severe in 1954 with 22 days of temperatures exceeding 100 °F (38 °C) covering significant parts of eleven states. On 14 July, the thermometer reached 117 °F (47 °C) at East St. Louis, Illinois, which remains the record highest temperature for that state.[2][3][4]
1955 - The 1955 United Kingdom heat wave was a period of hot weather that was accompanied by drought. In some places it was the worst drought on record, more severe than 1976 and 1995.
1960 2 January - Oodnadatta, South Australia hit 50.7 °C (123.3 °F) degrees, the highest temperature ever recorded in the Southern Hemisphere and Oceania.
1972 – The heat waves of 1972 in New York and Northeastern United States were significant. Almost 900 people perished; the heat conditions lasted almost 16 days, aggravated by very high humidity levels.
1976 – The 1976 United Kingdom heat wave was one of the hottest in living memory and was marked by constant blue skies from May until September when dramatic thunderstorms signaled the heat wave's end.
1980 – An estimated 1,000 people perished in the 1980 United States heat wave and drought, which impacted the central and eastern United States. Temperatures were highest in the southern plains. From June through September, temperatures remained above 90 °F (32 °C) all but two days in Kansas City, Missouri. The Dallas/Fort Worth area experienced 42 consecutive days with high temperatures above 100 °F (38 °C), with temperatures reaching 117 °F (47 °C) at Wichita Falls, Texas on 28 June. Economic losses were $20 billion (1980 dollars).[5]
1983 – During the Summer of 1983 temperatures over 100 °F (38 °C) were common across Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota, Nebraska, and certain parts of Kentucky; the summer of 1983 remains one of the hottest summers ever recorded in many of the states affected. The hundred-degree readings were accompanied by very dry conditions associated with drought affecting the Corn Belt States and Upper Midwest. The heat also affected the Southeastern U.S. and the Mid-Atlantic states as well that same summer. New York Times represented articles about the heat waves of 1983 affecting the central United States.[6] This heat wave was associated with the I-94 derecho.
1983 – The United Kingdom experienced a heatwave during July 1983. This was the hottest month ever recorded until it was beaten in 2006. The heatwave is remembered, not for its extreme heat but the relentless heat with temperatures around 32 °C (90 °F) everyday. Temperature maxima for the month were high but not especially so.Temperature difference in Europe from the average during the European heat wave of 2003
1987 – prolonged heat wave from 20 to 31 July in Greece, with more than 1,000 deaths in the area of Athens. The maximum temperature measured was 41.6 °C at 23 July at the center of Athens and in the suburb of Nea Philadelphia, 8 km northeast was 43.6 °C at 27 July, and were combined with high minima, with the highest being 30.2 °C in the center of Athens at 27 July and 29.9 °C at 24 July at Nea Philadelfia. The lowest minimum was 25.6 °C at the center of Athens. Moreover, humidity was high and wind speeds low, contributing to human discomfort, even during the night.[7]
1988 - intense heat spells in combination with the drought of 1988, reminiscent of the dust bowl years caused deadly results across the United States. Some 5,000 to 10,000 people perished because of constant heat across the United States although-according to many estimates-total death reports run as high as next to 17,000 deaths.[8]
1990 – Cities across the United Kingdom broke their all time temperature records in the dramatic 1990 United Kingdom heat wave temperatures peaked at 37 °C (99 °F). This led to one of the hottest Augusts on record, records going back to 1659.
1995 – The 1995 Chicago heat wave produced record high dew point levels and heat indices in the Chicago area and Wisconsin. The lack of emergency cooling facilities and inadequate response from civic authorities to the senior population, particularly in lower income neighborhoods in Chicago and other Midwestern cities, lead to many hundreds of deaths. A series of damaging derechos occurred on the periphery of the hot air dome.
1995 – The United Kingdom experienced its 3rd hottest summer since 1659. August was the hottest on record since 1659. The summer was also the driest on record since 1766. Temperatures peaked at 35 °C (95 °F) on the 1st of August, which did not break the all-time record.
1997 – The United Kingdom experienced its 3rd major heatwave in 7 years with August 1997 being one of the hottest on record.
1999 – a heat wave and drought in the eastern United States during the summer of 1999. Rainfall shortages resulted in worst drought on record for Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, and Rhode Island. The state of West Virginia was declared a disaster area. 3,810,000 acres (15,400 km2) were consumed by fire as of mid-August. Record heat throughout the country resulted in 502 deaths nationwide.[9] There were many deaths in urban centers of the Midwest.
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As California burns, climate goals may go up in smoke — even after the flames are out

https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/08/as-ca ... yptr=yahoo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I thought electric lawn mowers would stop forest fires?

Were there forest fires before the electric lawn mower?

Did you know it is very hot and dry in the CA desert?
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"It's hot outside" - Must be global warming

"It's cold outside" - Climate change drives extremes
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