Rime & Reason wrote:Bubba wrote:Nobody has said warming has stopped only that, contrary to models that predicted continuing warming, the warming has paused. It's an indication that models are incorrect and that predictions are suspect.
Stopped vs. paused? If no one said stopped then why are you saying it now? No matter…
This is cherry picking one set of data by the denialists and trying to spin it to mean something more than it really does. 1998 was an exceptionally hot year in the atmosphere. Unfortunately, it is making it seem like atmospheric warming has paused since then while the average is simply catching up to that anomaly. Trying to get us to focus on this one thing, while ignoring so many other indicators, is just grasping at straws. Can I once again direct you to Coydog’s posted graphic with the 6 charts? Global warming has not paused, sadly, it is still marching on.
Sorry but anyone who is paying attention to developments in climate science knows that there has been an UNPREDICTED change in atmospheric warming over the last 15 years of more. Most of the "consensus" scientists are willing to label it a "pause" and are trying to expand their theories to accommodate the unexpected data. Streamtracker and Coydog are well read and have posted a link from Nature which admits there is a pause:
http://www.nature.com/news/climate-chan ... at-1.14525" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So the ranting about how stupid us "denialist" hillbillies are for claiming there is a "pause in atmospheric warming is frankly a bit comical.
It's hard to get very upset by all the ad hominem attacks against "deniers" that get posted here... for two reasons.
One, the whole idea speaks of a lack of confidence in your ideas. If you truly understood and accepted the ideas you think are held by the consensus you could simply explain them in reasonable language to us simple folk. But instead of explanations we get invectives and links to articles which are mostly not germane to the actual issue being discussed.
The second reason I am not that bothered is that I think that time is on my side (cue Mick Jagger?) Every year for the last decade, and I have been obsessed with this for a decade, the case of the skeptics has become more compelling not less. The screaming has been getting louder but less and less people are listening. I think (would bet but it makes some folks mad) that the world will probably get cooler still in the next decade and the "Consensus" will be quietly overturned.
Overturn a consensus???? Impossible!!!! or NOT?
Remember until this last month most folks considered the linkage of saturated fats to heart disease an unimpeachable truism. That was a consensus
much larger and long lived than the AGW consensus.
Turns out there wasn't a CONSPIRACY of scientists that lied to us all about saturated fats... it just turned out that giant consensus GOT IT WRONG. All of them, way more of them that the climate science "consensus", got it wrong (at least according to the best current evidence) Any of you ranters about the value on consensus in science want to field that one?
A good link to start from is this:
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=11947" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts"