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Mister Moose wrote:This guy sums up an interesting counter-point:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32424" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;rogman wrote:Say what you will about POWDR, I've found them to be pretty thorough when it comes to maintenance, even if it's on a chair that is slated for replacement.
Highway Star wrote:About $6-7M more revenue (on top of ~$15m normal profit) with very little increase in expenses. PURE PROFIT! MONEYMONEYMONEY! Maybe they'll throw us some scraps from the table.Last season, skier visits at Killington were up 9 percent over the 2013-2014 season.
This is how you maintain lifts. Most resorts barely talk about about this, let alone lead off a press release with it.Powdr Corp. of Utah is spending $600,000 to upgrade Killington’s K-1 and Skyeship gondolas installing electronic lift drive systems. Upgrades at a number of lifts at Killington and Pico include new communication lines, haul ropes, and upgrades at lift loading and unloading terminals.
Again, this is a normal cost of maintaining a resort. Not any sort of improvement.Another $600,000 is being spent on new ticket scanners, trail edging and widening, paving, and a new terrain park grooming machine.
Again, this is a normal cost of maintaining a resort. Not any sort of improvement.Major snowmaking system pipelines are scheduled for replacement at both Killington and Pico. Other snowmaking upgrades include rebuilding hydrants, water pumps and new snowmaking hose.Somebody said something about fanguns on lower Superstar? Finally, we get to the improvements. Woohoo! I mean, we've only been talking about better snowmaking on superstar for like 10 years, glad to see it finally happening!!!To improve snowmaking along the Superstar trail, the snowmaking infrastructure has been redesigned and relocated to the lower part of the trail. Killington said the relocation would improve snowmaking coverage and snow depth especially toward the end of the ski season.
This is KMS's money, not Killington's. They had to settle for a midstation on a 1973 vintage triple chair, because nothing better could be afforded.The resort, in collaboration with Killington Mountain School, is also investing $600,000 to improve race and training venues. Those improvements include a new mid-station unload at the Snowdon triple lift, and a permanent bag jump venue on lower Superstar.I've never set foot in Ovations, nor to I know anybody who has. It's interior was nearly 20 years old, real deal 90's cheap-chic:— A $750,000 remodeling of Ovations restaurant at the Killington Grand Resort Hotel. The restaurant will undergo a facelift creating a new atmosphere and a new menu will be introduced.
http://www.oyster.co.uk/vermont/hotels/ ... -and-bars/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Badly in need of an update.
Seriously? First of all, what about all the rental and installed DIESEL AIR COMPRESSORS they use to make snow? How do they run on solar power? No, they are just talking about the water pumps, where the 4,700 mWh figure does pass the sniff test. Though, I'm not sure how they are are going to get solar power when they are making snow at night. As much as I hate Jiminy Peak in the Berkshires, at the least the wind turbine they installed is the real deal.— Signed a 20-year purchase agreement with Namaste Solar to receive 3 megawatts of power from six, 500-kilowatt solar arrays. The 4,700 megawatt-hours of new solar power will cover all of Killington and Pico’s snow gun energy needs.
Fuzzy math, inflated figures, and the vast majority is maintenance.Since acquiring Killington and Pico eight years ago, Powdr Corp. has invested more than $40 million in its two Vermont resorts.
Part of the reason they are so far behind, and last time I checked, Copper was their crown jewel, where they are going to unsuccessfully compete with Vail in CO.“Also, I think Powdr’s sale of Park City Mountain Resort, albeit under difficult circumstances, made Killington Resort the premier jewel in Powdr’s crown.”
It's popular this year because its new. Lets see how it's doing 3 years from now. Not to mention being fugly. Really going to add to the appeal of the village - not.Killington’s $3.5 million Snowshed Adventure Center with its 10 attractions, including the Beast Mountain Coaster, opened this summer.Killington has been squandering it's natural advantages for mountain biking for 15 years. Glad they could follow along and finally get with the program.In partnership with Gravity Logic at Whistler Resort, Killington began a five-year mountain bike park expansion, investing more than $175,000 on trail building.
Based in British Columbia, Gravity Logic is assisting Killington in designing and building more beginner and intermediate-friendly mountain bike terrain while also continuing to add more expert trails.
Six new mountain bike trails are also being integrated under and over the Beast Mountain Coaster.
So, go around and ask the people at those resorts how it has been to have POWDR run their resorts. Won't hear many positive things.Powdr Corp. operates eight resorts across the country. In addition to Killington and Pico, the privately held company also owns Copper Mountain, Colo.; Mount Bachelor, Ore.; Boreal Mountain Resort, Nev.; Las Vegas Ski and Snowboard Resort; Gorgoza Park, Utah; and Soda Springs, Calif.
Highway Star wrote:Went back and added to my first post on the first page, responding to the press release:
Highway Star wrote:About $6-7M more revenue (on top of ~$15m normal profit) with very little increase in expenses. PURE PROFIT! MONEYMONEYMONEY! Maybe they'll throw us some scraps from the table.Last season, skier visits at Killington were up 9 percent over the 2013-2014 season.
This is how you maintain lifts. Most resorts barely talk about about this, let alone lead off a press release with it.Powdr Corp. of Utah is spending $600,000 to upgrade Killington’s K-1 and Skyeship gondolas installing electronic lift drive systems. Upgrades at a number of lifts at Killington and Pico include new communication lines, haul ropes, and upgrades at lift loading and unloading terminals.
Again, this is a normal cost of maintaining a resort. Not any sort of improvement.Another $600,000 is being spent on new ticket scanners, trail edging and widening, paving, and a new terrain park grooming machine.
Again, this is a normal cost of maintaining a resort. Not any sort of improvement.Major snowmaking system pipelines are scheduled for replacement at both Killington and Pico. Other snowmaking upgrades include rebuilding hydrants, water pumps and new snowmaking hose.Somebody said something about fanguns on lower Superstar? Finally, we get to the improvements. Woohoo! I mean, we've only been talking about better snowmaking on superstar for like 10 years, glad to see it finally happening!!!To improve snowmaking along the Superstar trail, the snowmaking infrastructure has been redesigned and relocated to the lower part of the trail. Killington said the relocation would improve snowmaking coverage and snow depth especially toward the end of the ski season.
This is KMS's money, not Killington's. They had to settle for a midstation on a 1973 vintage triple chair, because nothing better could be afforded.The resort, in collaboration with Killington Mountain School, is also investing $600,000 to improve race and training venues. Those improvements include a new mid-station unload at the Snowdon triple lift, and a permanent bag jump venue on lower Superstar.I've never set foot in Ovations, nor to I know anybody who has. It's interior was nearly 20 years old, real deal 90's cheap-chic:— A $750,000 remodeling of Ovations restaurant at the Killington Grand Resort Hotel. The restaurant will undergo a facelift creating a new atmosphere and a new menu will be introduced.
http://www.oyster.co.uk/vermont/hotels/ ... -and-bars/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Badly in need of an update.
Seriously? First of all, what about all the rental and installed DIESEL AIR COMPRESSORS they use to make snow? How do they run on solar power? No, they are just talking about the water pumps, where the 4,700 mWh figure does pass the sniff test. Though, I'm not sure how they are are going to get solar power when they are making snow at night. As much as I hate Jiminy Peak in the Berkshires, at the least the wind turbine they installed is the real deal.— Signed a 20-year purchase agreement with Namaste Solar to receive 3 megawatts of power from six, 500-kilowatt solar arrays. The 4,700 megawatt-hours of new solar power will cover all of Killington and Pico’s snow gun energy needs.
Fuzzy math, inflated figures, and the vast majority is maintenance.Since acquiring Killington and Pico eight years ago, Powdr Corp. has invested more than $40 million in its two Vermont resorts.
Part of the reason they are so far behind, and last time I checked, Copper was their crown jewel, where they are going to unsuccessfully compete with Vail in CO.“Also, I think Powdr’s sale of Park City Mountain Resort, albeit under difficult circumstances, made Killington Resort the premier jewel in Powdr’s crown.”
It's popular this year because its new. Lets see how it's doing 3 years from now. Not to mention being fugly. Really going to add to the appeal of the village - not.Killington’s $3.5 million Snowshed Adventure Center with its 10 attractions, including the Beast Mountain Coaster, opened this summer.Killington has been squandering it's natural advantages for mountain biking for 15 years. Glad they could follow along and finally get with the program.In partnership with Gravity Logic at Whistler Resort, Killington began a five-year mountain bike park expansion, investing more than $175,000 on trail building.
Based in British Columbia, Gravity Logic is assisting Killington in designing and building more beginner and intermediate-friendly mountain bike terrain while also continuing to add more expert trails.
Six new mountain bike trails are also being integrated under and over the Beast Mountain Coaster.
So, go around and ask the people at those resorts how it has been to have POWDR run their resorts. Won't hear many positive things.Powdr Corp. operates eight resorts across the country. In addition to Killington and Pico, the privately held company also owns Copper Mountain, Colo.; Mount Bachelor, Ore.; Boreal Mountain Resort, Nev.; Las Vegas Ski and Snowboard Resort; Gorgoza Park, Utah; and Soda Springs, Calif.
tons of people there this weekend, lines at gondi and snowshed lift most of the day...you can ride your XC bike there but ya gotta go a lot slower, a lot smaller and both you and the bike take more of a beating, also helps to pick your trails wisely... Wife and I took our XC bikes there a few weeks ago, pedaled up to the motor room and ramshead something I never do w a 40+ lb DH bike and full gear... you can however get just as hurt on your XC bike as a DH bike and if ya push hard the likelihood rises....boston_e wrote:We spent a great weekend up there this weekend. Kudos to Killington for all of the great summer / fall additions.
We had done bits and pieces of the adventure center a couple of prior weekends, but Sunday we took the kids and pretty much spent the full day.
Coaster is great, zip line ride is fun, my kids loved the jumpy thing. We all did the ropes course which was super fun. I thought we would get bored of it after a half hour or so, but the whole family pretty much spend close to our full 2 hours in there.
Next season there is no doubt I'm going to go and rent the full equipment for downhill biking some weekend. (I'm sure my cross country bike would get pretty beat up doing those trails, but they look amazing!)
What you "heard" we now know not to be true.Highway Star wrote:How are those capital improvements coming along? I hear that Killington just lost $1.5 Million hosting a WC race.
