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Now on to Afghanistan, the next Obama success story.

Russia To Redeploy Troops To Afghanistan – Tajikistan Border

According to Russian newspaper Kommersant, Russia is set to redeploy its military troops to Tajikistan’s border with Afghanistan following a serious deterioration in the security situation in the region ever since US President, Barack Obama declared an end to the US combat mission in the area.

The aforementioned newspaper claims that the idea of Russian forces arriving at the Afghanistan-Tajikistan border does not seem unlikely. Indeed, it appears that the Tajikistan government is keen on taking help from the Kremlin in a bid to get some much needed assistance around the shared border.

Quite recently, Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov expressed grave concerns regarding security threats faced by Tajikistan from the South due to the worsening security situation in Afghanistan thanks to the presence of terrorist elements and the rapid emergence of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

It is being feared that the ISIS-linked jihadists will be looking to enter Tajikistan via Afghanistan and if that happens, it could create a new security headache for Russia. Reports in various media outlets have already stated that Russian President, Vladimir Putin could offer under-fire Tajikistan help during his visit to capital Dushanbe later this week.

Putin arrived in the capital of Tajikistan this Monday to attend the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) summit.

On Friday, top foreign policy aide for Kremlin, Yuri Ushakov told reporters that Putin will be having a meeting with his opposite number Imomali Rakhmon which means
that security the Tajikistan-Afghanistan border with Russian help could be one of the main agendas of the meeting.

“We are ready to provide assistance one way or another, as well as political support, and I think this matter will be one of the key ones during talks,” Ushakov told reporters.

And although Ushanov was not particularly forthcoming when asked about the prospect of Russia deploying its troops in Tajikistan, the fact that Moscow already has a military base in the country means that it is only a matter of time when Russian boots will be marching around the Tajikistan-Afghanistan border.

Despite the fact that the Central Asian States gained independence following the disintegration of the USSR more than two decades ago, Russia still has a lot of influence in the region and has always made sure of an obvious present there.
Also, the fact that Kremlin is worried that the ISIS-linked violence in the Middle East could trickle down to the Central Asian region, clearly means that Moscow is in no mood to sit idly and see its neighbor’s situation keep getting worse by the hour.

Until 2005, Russian forces were providing security assistance to Tajikistan’s border with Afghanistan but afterwards, Tajik forces took over. Already 22 people have lost their lives in bloody gun battles this month which has added to fears of religious unrest in the state which is a close ally of Russia.

The reason behind the consistently worsening of situation can be traced back to December last year when President Obama declared an end to USA’s decade-long mission in Afghanistan. The fact that US troops have more or less left the region has exposed Afghanistan to a multitude of issues and as things stand, the country is struggling to keep influence against Taliban, a force that in the past few months, has grown both in numbers and confidence.

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Indeed, Afghanistan has been left in a precarious position ever since US rolled back its program.
Only yesterday, Northern Afghan city of Kunduz fell to the Taliban which indeed is a chilling news considering the fact that US left the country confident that it had taken care of business in an immaculate fashion.

Back in 2001, Kunduz was the last city that was taken from Taliban’s control and was heralded as the completion of Afghanistan’s complete liberation.

This recent recapture clearly demonstrates the strength of Taliban and should not be taken lightly. It also shows that the Taliban now boast the confidence and the apparatus to take on the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF) who have been put to the sword to say the least ever since US boots left the ground.

“The fall of Kunduz was a failure of both national and international leadership. Unfortunately, the government in Kabul is not taking responsibility for it. I am sure it will impact the National Unity Government very deeply,” says Kabul-based political expert, Haroon Mir, in an interview with The Diplomat.

Why the sudden need for Russia's troop deployment?

For the last ten years or so, Russia had one headache less to worry about. With the US presence in Afghanistan, Russia was able to stay less focused on the Afghanistan border acting as the gateway to Central Asia since it was heavily patrolled by US troops – meaning that the chances of jihadists entering Tajikistan via Afghanistan were slim to none. That allowed Russia to focus elsewhere.

However, now that the US adventure in Afghanistan is over in more ways than one, Russia will now have to heavily rely on its own troops to take care of the security situation in Tajikistan.

The Tajik forces have not been able to cope with the security crisis lately which means that Russia had no other option but to get out of its comfort zone and ensure that the potential wave of extremism in Central Asia does not affect its own volatile cities like Chechnya, Dagestan and Makhachkala.

With the growing crisis in Tajikistan, the CSTO meeting couldn’t have come at a better time. Already, the Uzbek militant element is making things complicated for all member states of CSTO and Russia clearly cannot afford any sort of security lapses in Tajikistan which have the potential to gravely affect Russia’s internal security.

With current issues such as the South China Sea, Syrian and Middle Eastern crisis and Crimean crisis more in focus, the Afghanistan issue has slipped from under the radar which has further given Taliban a lot of confidence in taking things in its own hands.

Back in 2012, international donors gathered in Tokyo and pledged $16 billion in aid over four years. Next year, the donors will gather again but it will be interesting to see if they will be looking to dig deep just like they did three years ago keeping in mind the current developments in Middle East and Asia Pacific.

John Kerry is a firm believer in the National Unity Government formed by the Afghan President Ashraf Ghani and Abdullah even though he doesn’t feel the same way about the security condition in the country.

And although Afghanistan has asked neighbor Pakistan to do more in order to push back against terrorist groups, it is clear to see that Kabul should be more focused on its own security condition and try and develop more productive means to bring about stability within its borders just like Pakistan has been doing over the past few months.

All these issues have made things very complicated for Russia which is why it has become imperative for Moscow to quickly take control of the situation before the Taliban resurgence hits its shores which will be a potentially back-breaking event for Russia and its long-term goals in which Tajikistan holds an important place.
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dang Russians are showing up all over the place...

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steamboat1 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Ok then. How many troops? How long? Where does it end? How many lives are worth it? :violin

How much money? We're at six TRILLION and counting. You willing to pay more taxes to support this?
It will cost a lot less when we have to fight them here. Is that your plan? Seems to be Obama's.
Obama has no plans on fighting them as a matter of fact Obama would be happy to see people like deadheadskiers's granddaughter wearing a burka someday and from the sounds of it so would he.
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Atomic1 wrote:
steamboat1 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Ok then. How many troops? How long? Where does it end? How many lives are worth it? :violin

How much money? We're at six TRILLION and counting. You willing to pay more taxes to support this?
It will cost a lot less when we have to fight them here. Is that your plan? Seems to be Obama's.
Obama has no plans on fighting them as a matter of fact Obama would be happy to see people like deadheadskiers's granddaughter wearing a burka someday and from the sounds of it so would he.
If my son ends up marrying a woman wearing a Burka, I honestly wouldn't care as long as she denounces Sharia law and respects US customs.

Why?

I'm not a moronic, Xenophobic, judgmental prick like yourself who associates all Muslims with ISIS. Do you associate all Christians with the KKK too?

There's this thing in this country called freedom of religion; learn to deal with it.
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deadheadskier wrote:
Atomic1 wrote:
steamboat1 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Ok then. How many troops? How long? Where does it end? How many lives are worth it? :violin

How much money? We're at six TRILLION and counting. You willing to pay more taxes to support this?
It will cost a lot less when we have to fight them here. Is that your plan? Seems to be Obama's.
Obama has no plans on fighting them as a matter of fact Obama would be happy to see people like deadheadskiers's granddaughter wearing a burka someday and from the sounds of it so would he.
If my son ends up marrying a woman wearing a Burka, I honestly wouldn't care as long as she denounces Sharia law and respects US customs. wearing a burka ( mandated by sharia law ) then denouncing sharia law????

Why?

I'm not a moronic, Xenophobic, judgmental prick like yourself who associates all Muslims with ISIS. Do you associate all Christians with the KKK too?no you just have no ability to comprehend reality obviously

There's this thing in this country called freedom of religion; learn to deal with it.
kinda why many christians don;t want to fund PP....are really this oblivious or do you pretend just to create good theater?
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Funny how the Constitution only suits you where you want it to. Freedom of religion is the law of the land. I know plenty of moderate Muslims. There are moderate Muslims who wear Burqa's who do so out of modesty only idiot. Many move onto Hijab when they realize such modesty isn't needed in this country. I do not have a problem with them.


The majority of immigrants into this country in the future, regardless of who is president will be coming from Asia and a high percentage of them will be Muslim. Learn to deal with it.

Me personally? I'm completely anti-organized religion. I think throughout history, man made organized religion has caused more harm than good. But, I will never, ever tell someone else what they can or cannot believe provided they do no harm or attempt to restrict the freedom of others. Thankfully, most people of my generation and younger are going in this direction and moving away from all churches/temples/mosques etc. Too many of their preachings are antiquated, divisive and irrelevant to a modern, civilized society.
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Good luck with with that ! But if the women here are wearing Burkas then you can bet Sharia Law will be the reason why ! Also it was your Democratic Party that were the KKK leaders , it was the Republicans led by Lincoln who freed the slaves and fought the KKK and that KKK also killed Catholics and Jews and it's leaders and players were Southern Baptists ........
So go phuck yourself and get a clue !
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Atomic1 wrote:Good luck with with that ! But if the women here are wearing Burkas then you can bet Sharia Law will be the reason why ! Also it was your Democratic Party that were the KKK leaders , it was the Republicans led by Lincoln who freed the slaves and fought the KKK and that KKK also killed Catholics and Jews and it's leaders and players were Southern Baptists ........
So go phuck yourself and get a clue !
its not that liberals are stupid, its just that they know so much that isn't so....
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deadheadskier wrote:
Atomic1 wrote:
steamboat1 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Ok then. How many troops? How long? Where does it end? How many lives are worth it? :violin

How much money? We're at six TRILLION and counting. You willing to pay more taxes to support this?
It will cost a lot less when we have to fight them here. Is that your plan? Seems to be Obama's.
Obama has no plans on fighting them as a matter of fact Obama would be happy to see people like deadheadskiers's granddaughter wearing a burka someday and from the sounds of it so would he.
If my son ends up marrying a woman wearing a Burka, I honestly wouldn't care as long as she denounces Sharia law and respects US customs. will you also be ecstatic when the father comes and kills em both for dishonoring islam?

Why?

I'm not a moronic, Xenophobic, judgmental prick like yourself who associates all Muslims with ISIS. Do you associate all Christians with the KKK too?

There's this thing in this country called freedom of religion; learn to deal with it.
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deadheadskier wrote:Me personally? I'm completely anti-organized religion. I think throughout history, man made organized religion has caused more harm than good. But, I will never, ever tell someone else what they can or cannot believe provided they do no harm or attempt to restrict the freedom of others.
You may not tell them what they can (or cannot) believe, but you'll assert their beliefs are made up. I don't really see a difference. Isn't this the same as Madhatter asserting a burkha is commensurate with sharia law ... he's not telling you (or anyone else) what they can or can't believe, but asserting his opinion as fact. This is the same thing you're doing in your post quoted above.
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Atomic1 wrote:Good luck with with that ! But if the women here are wearing Burkas then you can bet Sharia Law will be the reason why ! Also it was your Democratic Party that were the KKK leaders , it was the Republicans led by Lincoln who freed the slaves and fought the KKK and that KKK also killed Catholics and Jews and it's leaders and players were Southern Baptists ........
So go phuck yourself and get a clue !
Let's focus on Modern History moron

Since the the Civil Rights movement, the KKK has realigned with the Republican Party.......

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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Me personally? I'm completely anti-organized religion. I think throughout history, man made organized religion has caused more harm than good. But, I will never, ever tell someone else what they can or cannot believe provided they do no harm or attempt to restrict the freedom of others.
You may not tell them what they can (or cannot) believe, but you'll assert their beliefs are made up. I don't really see a difference. Isn't this the same as Madhatter asserting a burkha is commensurate with sharia law ... he's not telling you (or anyone else) what they can or can't believe, but asserting his opinion as fact. This is the same thing you're doing in your post quoted above.
If I'm misunderstood, my point is live and let live. I do not care if your Christian, Muslim or Jew. I do not share your beliefs, but I'm cool with you as long as you do no harm to or restrict the freedom of others. Seeing someone walking down the street in a Burqa is no different for me than seeing someone in traditional Hasidic Jewish attire.

There's a big difference between this belief and the numerous people in this thread who are pigeonholing all Muslims as extremists and moron Atomic who thinks Obama is trying to spread Islam and challenging me that I would like to see the same.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Me personally? I'm completely anti-organized religion. I think throughout history, man made organized religion has caused more harm than good. But, I will never, ever tell someone else what they can or cannot believe provided they do no harm or attempt to restrict the freedom of others.
You may not tell them what they can (or cannot) believe, but you'll assert their beliefs are made up. I don't really see a difference. Isn't this the same as Madhatter asserting a burkha is commensurate with sharia law ... he's not telling you (or anyone else) what they can or can't believe, but asserting his opinion as fact. where did I do that? This is the same thing you're doing in your post quoted above.
I expressed doubt that anyone who wears a burkha would denounce sharia law and follow US customs...and find it incredulous that DHS would imagine this as a possibility, and use it as a qualifier for his approval...
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deadheadskier wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
deadheadskier wrote:Me personally? I'm completely anti-organized religion. I think throughout history, man made organized religion has caused more harm than good. But, I will never, ever tell someone else what they can or cannot believe provided they do no harm or attempt to restrict the freedom of others.
You may not tell them what they can (or cannot) believe, but you'll assert their beliefs are made up. I don't really see a difference. Isn't this the same as Madhatter asserting a burkha is commensurate with sharia law ... he's not telling you (or anyone else) what they can or can't believe, but asserting his opinion as fact. This is the same thing you're doing in your post quoted above.
If I'm misunderstood, my point is live and let live.well except for all the demands you and your party make of everyone else... I do not care if your Christian, Muslim or Jew. I do not share your beliefs, but I'm cool with you no one needs your approval, kinda weak that you imagine they do...as long as you do no harm to or restrict the freedom of others. ah if only this were even remotely possible, but that would be full out libertarianism and that of course would result in anarchy and eventual chaos which would come full circle and negate the bold... Seeing someone walking down the street in a Burqa is no different for me than seeing someone in traditional Hasidic Jewish attire. well except for the fact that hasidic jews don't really have a reputation for being suicide bombers or chanting death to america, yer probably right...

There's a big difference between this belief and the numerous people in this thread who are pigeonholing all Muslims as extremists no one did that, you made it up and moron Atomic who thinks Obama is trying to spread Islam and challenging me that I would like to see the same.
numerous examples of obama's sympathy and preferential treatment of islamic nations and principles has been well documented in this thread you've absolutely ignored every one of them in favor your imagined reality...
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"Hey, don't eat beef" No that's not enough you have to beat the guy to death. I guess the Muslims in India are a special kind of weird. I love the news stories about how the government can't get the Indians to use a toilet.

Also, "I don't cover my head because I'm a Muslim. I cover my head so my brother and father don't beat me." :|

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deadheadskier wrote:
Atomic1 wrote:Good luck with with that ! But if the women here are wearing Burkas then you can bet Sharia Law will be the reason why ! Also it was your Democratic Party that were the KKK leaders , it was the Republicans led by Lincoln who freed the slaves and fought the KKK and that KKK also killed Catholics and Jews and it's leaders and players were Southern Baptists ........
So go phuck yourself and get a clue !
Let's focus on Modern History moron

Since the the Civil Rights movement, the KKK has realigned with the Republican Party.......

http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/ ... outh-96090" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Modern history,... has proven 1 thing ,
Not all Muslims are today terrorists BUT all terrorists today ARE Muslims !
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