Paris

[Coydog]

So…all ye progressives… you say the risk is worth it for you, for your principles….how about “putting your money where your mouth is" and sign a pledge…

The pledge would say:

“I am of full confidence that our government will properly vet ALL Syrians refugees and I will therefore personally vouch for their behavior. If any Syrian refugee performs acts of terrorism I shall be held personally liable for the consequences of those acts up to and including damage to properties and premeditated murder. In any and all acts they perform I should be held legally liable as an accessory to those crimes.”

Pretty sure that’s the exact pledge the House now requires the Director of the FBI, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence to sign as a part of their recently passed "The American SAFE Act". I say in the spirit of fairness, equality and increased security, this more than reasonable pledge requirement should apply to all refugees.

[deadheadskier]

[quote="madhatter"]you kill enough of them that no one will stand w them for fear of being killed also... ya know exactly what they are doing to gain power in their region, you are with them or you are dead...who's gonna stand up to that? submission only comes when defeat is certain...[/quote]

I guess the only option is to start annihilating the claimed caliphate lands in Syria and Iraq and see what happens in the remote enclaves.

Boko Haram still existing is the one that's most puzzling to me. Supposedly there's only 10k of them. Seems like that threat could be destroyed in a matter of weeks.

[madhatter]

Presumably after that, they get their 100 virgins.

Dude, it's 72 virgins, not 100. Get yer facts straight.

Are the female suicide bombers also rewarded with virgins?

I’m sure sufficiently worthy female participants would receive the same rights and privileges as they had in the 7th century.

[deadheadskier]

You all know about the allegations we funded those that"became ISIS" in order to destabilize Syria and take out Assad?

What do you all think of these allegations (such as the pictures of McCain with ISIS founders)? (or the video which supposedly came from McCain staffer showing "ISIS desert beheading video" actually being made in a sophisticated studio in front of a green screen?)

And....on the issue of accepting refugees in USA...

Just an idea here…. Some folks are addicted to the idea that we have to remain open to virtually all refugees …others are hesitant to extend that KINDNESS to all populations because of the assessment of risk inherent in admitting masses from CERTAIN populations.

I am hesitant to admit Syrian refugees because I think our government IS NOT GOOD AT ANYTHING and that would include vetting refugees.

So…all ye progressives… you say the risk is worth it for you, for your principles….how about “putting your money where your mouth is" and sign a pledge…

The pledge would say:

“I am of full confidence that our government will properly vet ALL Syrians refugees and I will therefore personally vouch for their behavior. If any Syrian refugee performs acts of terrorism I shall be held personally liable for the consequences of those acts up to and including damage to properties and premeditated murder. In any and all acts they perform I should be held legally liable as an accessory to those crimes.”

Might be able to make such a document legally binding?

If not for ordinary citizens….how about for legislators.

If my kids die from an act of terrorism involving refugees... I expect to see Malloy at the funeral.

I expect to go to jail shortly after.

I identify as progressive. I think the best approach given the current crisis would be to addopt a similar policy as in the Bosnian war and establish UN controlled safe areas within Syria.

[madhatter]

You all know about the allegations we funded those that"became ISIS" in order to destabilize Syria and take out Assad?

What do you all think of these allegations (such as the pictures of McCain with ISIS founders)? (or the video which supposedly came from McCain staffer showing "ISIS desert beheading video" actually being made in a sophisticated studio in front of a green screen?)

And....on the issue of accepting refugees in USA...

Just an idea here…. Some folks are addicted to the idea that we have to remain open to virtually all refugees …others are hesitant to extend that KINDNESS to all populations because of the assessment of risk inherent in admitting masses from CERTAIN populations.

I am hesitant to admit Syrian refugees because I think our government IS NOT GOOD AT ANYTHING and that would include vetting refugees.

So…all ye progressives… you say the risk is worth it for you, for your principles….how about “putting your money where your mouth is" and sign a pledge…

The pledge would say:

“I am of full confidence that our government will properly vet ALL Syrians refugees and I will therefore personally vouch for their behavior. If any Syrian refugee performs acts of terrorism I shall be held personally liable for the consequences of those acts up to and including damage to properties and premeditated murder. In any and all acts they perform I should be held legally liable as an accessory to those crimes.”

Might be able to make such a document legally binding?

If not for ordinary citizens….how about for legislators.

If my kids die from an act of terrorism involving refugees... I expect to see Malloy at the funeral.

I expect to go to jail shortly after.

I identify as progressive. I think the best approach given the current crisis would be to addopt a similar policy as in the Bosnian war and establish UN controlled safe areas within Syria.

that's pretty much what O'Reilly was advocating for last night, NATO coalition forces mobilized based on france being attacked to set up safe areas for refugees and to combat ISIS forces... it's at least a theoretically plausible course of action...

[Highway Star]

This is more than a faith based war.

Not really. It is little more than a religious war. Why is that so hard to believe for some people, and especially liberals?

Have ever actually talked to an Iraqi?

Go ahead, ask them about the hatred for westerners. It extends beyond religious differences.

Don't know what's so difficult for you to understand that many of them are pissed we bombed the sh*t out of their country and killed there family members. They lose everything to the evil white man, so they kill us in the name of Allah because that justifies the behavior as okay. It's not all about spreading wahhabism. That's a big part, but not all of it.

Which Iraqi's? I'm sure about 65% (shiite arabs and kurds) are pretty much OK with us invading and ousting Saddam (less so about being occupied). The Sunni (Saddam's and ISIS's denomination) are in general pretty upset about it. I'd say there's a higher percentage of people in the US that think the Iraq war was a bad thing, including myself.

[steamboat1]

So let’s see, Paris is brutally attacked by European nationals - home grown ISIS terrorists - and our immediate response is a desire to seal our borders to Syrian refugees fleeing a war torn region we helped to create. Not French nationals, not Belgian nationals, not western Europeans, not the people who actually committed the horrific terrorist acts and who can easily come here for 3 months for any reason whatsoever.

Instead, we must, um, "pause" our Syrian refugee program because ISIS has scared the bejesus out of us that terrorists will infiltrate the refugee community and pass through, like sh*t through a goose, our most stringent and lengthy vetting procedures for any population ever.

This is not a misguided, knee-jerk, useless overreaction reminiscent of past misguided knee-jerk, useless overreactions, but rather calm, rational, common sense approach to keeping the homeland secure.

Well I feel safer already.

[freeski]

I identify as progressive.

Okay this is important:

Don't say: "I identify as a progressive"
Instead say: "I am progressive"

When you use the word identify it sounds like you don't know what you are. It conveys a sense that you maybe something else, you want to be something you're not. It makes you sound like a confused college student. This is the language of far left socialists.

You'll thank me latter...

[steamboat1]

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[deadheadskier]

I identify as progressive.

Okay this is important:

Don't say: "I identify as a progressive"
Instead say: "I am progressive"

When you use the word identify it sounds like you don't know what you are. It conveys a sense that you maybe something else, you want to be something you're not. It makes you sound like a confused college student. This is the language of far left socialists.

You'll thank me latter...

You honestly think I'd take any advice from the Glen Beck of ski forums?

Labels for the most part are all sh*t. Brewers attempt to score some sort of lame political point by making assumptions of what most progressives should think regarding the refugee debate was lame. I hate stereotypes; something you wouldn't understand because you're the king of stereotypes.

I look at each situation and make a judgment based on the information available to me. My view on ISIL and Syrian refugees is conservative even if most progressives have the opposite view.

[steamboat1]

Ok Rachel

[Coydog]

The Tsarnaev family came here on a travel visa and later obtained political asylum when that visa expired. They were not refugees and did not undergo the extensive refugee vetting process. However you make a good point, the brothers were Muslim and came as children. They were later radicalized by both foreign and domestic influences. So we really don’t know where the next terrorist will come from, but we know they will be Muslim.

Clearly, the House bill does not go far enough - we need to seal our borders to all refugees, certainly all Muslim refugees. But that doesn’t address the huge problem of Muslims already here in the homeland. Some have called for a national database of all Muslim citizens who would be issued a simple ID card. In fact, with today’s technology, we should also consider micro-chiping them. Why would anyone object if they don’t have anything to hide?

Once the Muslim population has been properly identified and tracked, they could be evacuated to a number of "safe spaces" located far away from major population centers. This would be a matter of mutual protection and a temporary measure, lasting only until victory is achieved in the war on terror. With the Muslim community secured, we could then engage in a national debate on a more final solution to the Muslim threat.

No doubt this would be complex logistical challenge, but other countries have instituted similar programs in the past and achieved great success with impressive efficiency. And we have American exceptionalism on our side.

Just sayin'.

[madhatter]

[madhatter]

more peace in mali...


Less than a week since the Friday 13th Paris terror attack, hours ago the newswires lit up with news of another terrorist attack when gunmen shouting and screaming "Allahu Akbar" attacked the Radisson Blu, a luxury hotel full of foreigners, in Mali's capital Bamako, taking 170 people hostage. The identity of the Bamako gunmen, or the group to which they belong, is not known

[wanderer7453]

You all know about the allegations we funded those that"became ISIS" in order to destabilize Syria and take out Assad?

What do you all think of these allegations (such as the pictures of McCain with ISIS founders)? (or the video which supposedly came from McCain staffer showing "ISIS desert beheading video" actually being made in a sophisticated studio in front of a green screen?)

And....on the issue of accepting refugees in USA...

Just an idea here…. Some folks are addicted to the idea that we have to remain open to virtually all refugees …others are hesitant to extend that KINDNESS to all populations because of the assessment of risk inherent in admitting masses from CERTAIN populations.

I am hesitant to admit Syrian refugees because I think our government IS NOT GOOD AT ANYTHING and that would include vetting refugees.

So…all ye progressives… you say the risk is worth it for you, for your principles….how about “putting your money where your mouth is" and sign a pledge…

The pledge would say:

“I am of full confidence that our government will properly vet ALL Syrians refugees and I will therefore personally vouch for their behavior. If any Syrian refugee performs acts of terrorism I shall be held personally liable for the consequences of those acts up to and including damage to properties and premeditated murder. In any and all acts they perform I should be held legally liable as an accessory to those crimes.”

Might be able to make such a document legally binding?

If not for ordinary citizens….how about for legislators.

If my kids die from an act of terrorism involving refugees... I expect to see Malloy at the funeral.

I expect to go to jail shortly after.

Regarding refugees. I have really been trying to keep an open mind. I have listened to the supporters of continuing as is the policy right now that on the surface sounded like a legitimate vetting process that takes two years and has only accepted 10% of those they vetted. Sounds pretty thorough. Then in the middle of the night I woke up and it occurred to me that 9 out 10 refugees have been declined entry. That is a big number. Why? Are 9 out of 10 potential terrorist. If that is true we will definitely miss some no matter what the process.