Coydog wrote:madhatter wrote:Coydog wrote:freeski wrote:We did it with the Japanese and it was the right thing to do. wow Obviously the muslim problem today does not warrant your plan. there's a relief So, you didn't answer my question if you should ever fight back. Obama wouldn't either. Another reason Cankle is hiding in the woods.
I'd fight back in a
morally justifiable way, not indiscriminate killing of
innocents.
That's me, but then apparently I'm not as scared as you.
and that's the problem with your "ideology" it relies on emotional standards that are subjective in the mind of every citizen...
the EXACT reason for conservatism at the legislative and court level, so that there is no "eye of the beholder" justice but a pre-determined outcome that has nothing to do with the perpetrator and everything to do with the crime that was perpetrated...
Uh huh, conservative "ideology" is so much easier.
no what I said was conservatism in the approach to law...For example, we were attacked by Japan in WWII.
my mother wasn't even born yet but ok...Therefore, just to be safe, let's round up every US citizen who appears to be of Japanese heritage. Doesn't matter how many generations they've been here - any one of 'em could be the enemy. No "subjective rule of law", no "eye of the beholder", if you look Japanese, in you go, clean and simple, very Gumpian. But please don't round up
German Americans, they look just like us.
pretty sure it was the democrats who interned the japanese, so I'm gonna go with so very democratic...
But back to your traffic analogy.
madhatter wrote:
I insist that every stop sign requires a full stop, every time, and failure to do so results in a warning or fine any time you are caught ...
Got it, no exceptions.
please list all the LEGAL exceptions to stopping at a stop sign...otherwise yeah, no exceptions...
Now imagine you have an emergency in the middle of the night, an elderly parent suffering from a stroke or a child with a life threatening injury. Time is of the essence - a few moments could mean the difference between life or death. Too far away for an ambulance. I assume those practicing conservative ideology would diligently come to a full stop at every traffic sign on the way to the hospital no matter how empty the intersection.
you should... you don't get to run through a stop sign and endanger the lives others because you think your priority is of higher importance than the legally granted right of way given to oncoming traffic...
again with the wanting to be the sole arbiter while ignoring what allowing everyone to be the sole arbiter devolves into...
now lets imagine your emergency ends you up in an accident where a family is killed because you decided that your priorities took precedent over the rule of law, i.e. the stop sign...that same "my priority trumps all" mentality is on display w every whining petulant liberal cry about trump, every law, rule, eo etc that they disagree with and in fact every mere idea they disagree with...
and that's the problem I have w "liberal" ideology, the "liberal" always feels as though he/she is the sole arbiter of all that is fair and just and that their priorities are always "good" and therefore any action they take is justified cuz it's for the "greater good" and thus a noble and selfless act even when said liberal is the sole benefactor of those actions...ain't nothing liberal about any of that at all...
rules are rules and breaking the rules has set consequences...now that doesn't mean that one must be pure as the driven snow and never break a rule, people break rules all the time but one still needs to understand and accept the universally agreed upon rule of law and any consequences for failing to abide by such that's how the rule of law works, anything else is a degree of anarchy...
so back to your car example you could still decide that your priority trumps rule of law, and run a red light...perhaps nothign happens and you contimnue on your way, ok...now suppose you struck a bicyclist timing the light that you failed to see...yer criminally negligent...and perhaps a person is dead as a result of that...now what? is it now homicide because you made a conscious decision to run the red light? one that was perhaps decided when you first got into the car? that's why there needs to be specific law...so the "court" can't sympathize more with the dead kid on a bike's family than they do for you and your sick dog and call you a murderer...