venezuela

[madhatter]

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

― Margaret Thatcher

well that's cuz they didn't take enough from the rich people....

[Mister Moose]

We also are already stupid for massively underfunding all levels of education and being the laughing stock of the world when it comes to science. If it weren't for H1B Visas and imported foreign intelligence our tech industry would barely exist.

I know it's extremely difficult for someone without a college education to grasp, but science is the foundation of prosperity and we as a nation need to invest in that massively ...You want to be accurate with Sanders comparison to policy, it's Nordic nations, not Venezuela.

OK, so you got me curious about the basis of this opinion, and I googled Danish inventions, Swedish inventions, and Norwegian inventions.

It was a short list, and while it includes zippers, colostomy bags and dynamite, it is a very short list compared to the achievements of the US.

So tell me why we are the laughing stock, what long list of great achievements of the Scandinavian countries am I missing, and why it is that all these brilliant people that comprise the vast foreign tech intelligence want to move here. Here, in the US, not Venezuela, Denmark, Cuba, or any other utopia I may not be aware of.

[steamboat1]

So tell me, what long list of great achievements of the Scandinavian countries am I missing

Blondes

[deadheadskier]

We also are already stupid for massively underfunding all levels of education and being the laughing stock of the world when it comes to science. If it weren't for H1B Visas and imported foreign intelligence our tech industry would barely exist.

I know it's extremely difficult for someone without a college education to grasp, but science is the foundation of prosperity and we as a nation need to invest in that massively ...You want to be accurate with Sanders comparison to policy, it's Nordic nations, not Venezuela.

OK, so you got me curious about the basis of this opinion, and I googled Danish inventions, Swedish inventions, and Norwegian inventions.

It was a short list, and while it includes zippers, colostomy bags and dynamite, it is a very short list compared to the achievements of the US.

So tell me why we are the laughing stock, what long list of great achievements of the Scandinavian countries am I missing, and why it is that all these brilliant people that comprise the vast foreign tech intelligence want to move here. Here, in the US, not Venezuela, Denmark, Cuba, or any other utopia I may not be aware of.

Surprise, surprise. In comes captain of intellectual dishonesty, Moose with his Carli pencil. Let's just take a little bit of this, leave out a little bit of that and change the context of that and I'll make a nice little tidy point that the idiots will lap up.

When talking about education, I was referring to H1B doctorate students and that the US is failing miserably at producing scientists. A full 50% of phD students in science are foreign born. Some education systems it's 100%. I work for a US based medical technology company. I can tell you that US born engineers in the company represent a tiny minority.

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By making undergraduate college attainable for people of all income levels (a big goal for Sanders and a reality in much of the world) it stands to reason we will also have more young people achieving into higher institutions of learning as well. Some of those very bright people move on to create the next great technologies that help drive our economy. The cost of entry into the system is astronomical today compared to when you graduated high school. Also the students that can find a way in are not as well prepared because our primary and secondary education systems are lagging behind most first world countries. People like madhatter that don't see this crisis in intellectual capital for what it is truly have their head in the sand.

My point regarding Venezuela is that it's easy for the low information Trump crowd to point to Venezuela and say, "see, that's what Sanders economy would look like," when the truth is that the countries that Sanders draws much of his inspiration from like Norway are thriving economically and socially.

Okay, save your breath madhatter. I know what you're going to say. "If you like Norway so much, why don't you move there." That my friend is code for, "I'm an idiot who doesn't like progress."

In all aspects of life from the individual level to that of government, you look at other people's ideas and if the results are better than your own, you adopt them. That's how we got from hunter gatherers to where we are today with a few simpleton Neanderthals like yourself slipping through the cracks along the way.

We should be constantly striving to do better. That is the essence of being a progressive.

[freeski]

DHS: You're all over the place, lots of scattered thoughts. You're not good at this. Why don't you go see the new Angry Birds movie and tell us what you think? That might be fun? If we didn't allow any immigrants in for 10 years then 0% of the scientists would be foreign born. Problem solved.

[madhatter]

We also are already stupid for massively underfunding all levels of education and being the laughing stock of the world when it comes to science. If it weren't for H1B Visas and imported foreign intelligence our tech industry would barely exist.

I know it's extremely difficult for someone without a college education to grasp, but science is the foundation of prosperity and we as a nation need to invest in that massively ...You want to be accurate with Sanders comparison to policy, it's Nordic nations, not Venezuela.

OK, so you got me curious about the basis of this opinion, and I googled Danish inventions, Swedish inventions, and Norwegian inventions.

It was a short list, and while it includes zippers, colostomy bags and dynamite, it is a very short list compared to the achievements of the US.

So tell me why we are the laughing stock, what long list of great achievements of the Scandinavian countries am I missing, and why it is that all these brilliant people that comprise the vast foreign tech intelligence want to move here. Here, in the US, not Venezuela, Denmark, Cuba, or any other utopia I may not be aware of.

Surprise, surprise. In comes captain of intellectual dishonesty, Moose with his Carli pencil. Let's just take a little bit of this, leave out a little bit of that and change the context of that and I'll make a nice little tidy point that the idiots will lap up.

When talking about education, I was referring to H1B doctorate students and that the US is failing miserably at producing scientists. yep we produce, aspiring actors, poets, basketweavers, lesbian studies professionals, transgender activists etc...A full 50% of phD students in science are foreign born. Some education systems it's 100%. I work for a US based medical technology company. I can tell you that US born engineers in the company represent a tiny minority. cuz H1B allows them to be paid squat...

here's how TRUMP will fix that...

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program.

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By making undergraduate college attainable for people of all income levels (a big goal for Sanders and a reality in much of the world) it stands to reason we will also have more young people achieving into higher institutions of learning as well. WRONG, you'll simply have more people attending university and spending the first 1/3 of their life living in mommy's basement, being surrounded by "groupthink" , never having spent a single day fending for themselves...but no worries they'll magically become adults at 30 and begin to prosper...Some of those very bright people move on to create the next great technologies that help drive our economy. MOST do not...The cost of entry into the system is astronomical today compared to when you graduated high school. yep thank the gov and student loans for that... Also the students that can find a way in are not as well prepared because our primary and secondary education systems are lagging behind most first world countries. gee I wonder what brings the AVG of that down? must be them cities full of untapped genius...the truth is not everyone is university material and many never will be...People like madhatter that don't see this crisis in intellectual capital for what it is truly have their head in the sand.the world is full of stupid people, no amount of "education" will change that.... despite what you imagine... dopes will be dopes...look at you, obliviously clueless to reality and adamantly so...thousands of years of experience to draw on yet you somehow you insist that if the wheel were irregularly shaped it would some how be better....

My point regarding Venezuela is that it's easy for the low information Trump crowd to point to Venezuela and say, "see, that's what Sanders economy would look like," when the truth is that the countries that Sanders draws much of his inspiration from like Norway are thriving economically and socially.you are the poster child of the lofo/nofo contingent...mindlessly repeating that which can easily be proven false in hopes that it will somehow be accepted as truth...no one but the truly stupid think any of sanders idiotic ideas have any chance of coming to fruition...

Okay, save your breath madhatter. I know what you're going to say. "If you like Norway so much, why don't you move there." That my friend is code for, "I'm an idiot who doesn't like progress."no that is plain talk for if you think its better there feel free to move there , I like things here the way they are and don't want them changed to suit you at my expense...so why don;t you move there? I'm guessing it's cuz you like it here better, despite your grass is greener stupidity...seems no one else is clamoring to go to those bastions of socialist superiority either...

In all aspects of life from the individual level to that of government, you look at other people's ideas and if the results are better than your own, you adopt them. yet yer still a dumbf@ck libtard progressive, so I guess not...That's how we got from hunter gatherers to where we are today with an overpopulated world saddled w the burden of rampant breeding of a permanent underclass incapable of sustaining itself? awesome, it don't get much more "progressive" than that....with a few simpleton Neanderthals like yourself slipping through the cracks along the way.yep sux being a simpleton neanderthal, I can only imagine how much better my life would be if I had followed the dickheadskier model... I probably could have landed a gorgeous wife, bought a few investment properties, left the workforce in my 30's, built my own house, and spent my life having fun...oh what could have been if only I had met you sooner and followed your path to success...

We should be constantly striving to do better. That is the essence of being a progressive. sorry striving to take from the successful for yourself is the essence of being a progressive...striving to do better for oneself is the essence of being self sufficient....I don;t need you or your money for ANYTHING, you clearly insist on taking mine to further your agenda...

your entire argument is THE most bigoted, closed minded, pie-in-the-sky, politics of envy, strawhatter BS ever... which is of course is what being a progressive is all about...

[deadheadskier]

If we didn't allow any immigrants in for 10 years then 0% of the scientists would be foreign born. Problem solved.

This would be hilarious if it were a joke, but you probably actually believe this, so it's not. With comments you and f.a.s.t make about immigration, I'm guessing you don't see the importance of importing intellectual capital.

[deadheadskier]

Maddy, you are correct. Not everyone is university material. You're living proof and demonstrate this daily here on kzone. So, we've found something we agree on there.

What you fail to realize is you're just a toy for everyone here. Basically the in house forum version of the Springer show. It makes for wonderful comedy when bored. What kind of uneducated white trash BS is he going to spew next? I wonder if he's okay? It's 9AM and he has yet to spot off some juvenile dick reference? Nah, he will deliver. He's probably too busy reading zero hedge and emailing someone about how awesome he is.

[Mister Moose]

OK, so you got me curious about the basis of this opinion, and I googled Danish inventions, Swedish inventions, and Norwegian inventions.

It was a short list, and while it includes zippers, colostomy bags and dynamite, it is a very short list compared to the achievements of the US.

So tell me why we are the laughing stock, what long list of great achievements of the Scandinavian countries am I missing, and why it is that all these brilliant people that comprise the vast foreign tech intelligence want to move here. Here, in the US, not Venezuela, Denmark, Cuba, or any other utopia I may not be aware of.

Surprise, surprise. In comes captain of intellectual dishonesty, Moose with his Carli pencil. Let's just take a little bit of this, leave out a little bit of that and change the context of that and I'll make a nice little tidy point that the idiots will lap up.

They are legitimate questions. You still haven't answered them. You can add to the list what did I say that is intellectually dishonest?

When talking about education, I was referring to H1B doctorate students and that the US is failing miserably at producing scientists. A full 50% of phD students in science are foreign born. Some education systems it's 100%. I work for a US based medical technology company. I can tell you that US born engineers in the company represent a tiny minority.

You are basing a judgment of the US educational system on the number of imported engineers. 1) Are these foreign born engineers cheaper than their US counterparts? 2) With all the easy college loans, why are so many not choosing an engineering degree?

By making undergraduate college attainable for people of all income levels (a big goal for Sanders and a reality in much of the world) it stands to reason we will also have more young people achieving into higher institutions of learning as well. Some of those very bright people move on to create the next great technologies that help drive our economy. The cost of entry into the system is astronomical today compared to when you graduated high school. Also the students that can find a way in are not as well prepared because our primary and secondary education systems are lagging behind most first world countries. People like madhatter that don't see this crisis in intellectual capital for what it is truly have their head in the sand.

It IS attainable. That's what the easy college loans do. The cost went up because way too much easy money chased a small supply with no concern for the cost.

My point regarding Venezuela is that it's easy for the low information Trump crowd to point to Venezuela and say, "see, that's what Sanders economy would look like," when the truth is that the countries that Sanders draws much of his inspiration from like Norway are thriving economically and socially.

You have to look at the whole socialist crowd of nations. To point at just one or two and say "See how great it works!" ignores the greater picture. Norway has indigenous differences, and enjoys the protection of NATO.

Norway's economy is far from thriving, GDP is less than 1% growth currently, and has averaged 1.4% the last 5 years.

Okay, save your breath madhatter. I know what you're going to say. "If you like Norway so much, why don't you move there." That my friend is code for, "I'm an idiot who doesn't like progress."
In all aspects of life from the individual level to that of government, you look at other people's ideas and if the results are better than your own, you adopt them. That's how we got from hunter gatherers to where we are today with a few simpleton Neanderthals like yourself slipping through the cracks along the way.

We should be constantly striving to do better. That is the essence of being a progressive.

"Progressive" ideas don't always produce progress. See public education with more money thrown at it and more federal regulation. What we have as a result is teach to the test, and pass low performers to meet the quota so funding isn't lost. That isn't progress. You imply that those who aren't part of your "progressive" party don't strive to be better. You sure you want to hang your hat on that? Simply saying progressive doesn't make it so.

I'm not against investing in education. But get it right in High School first before you start shoveling even more money at College. Because the current cost of College is a great example of why shoveling other people's money isn't always a good idea.

Still waiting on the long list of Norwegian inventions.

[madhatter]

Maddy, you are correct. Not everyone is university material. You're living proof and demonstrate this daily here on kzone. So, we've found something we agree on there.

What you fail to realize is you're just a toy for everyone here. aww and of course you are a scholar to be worshiped here...most beloved character on the board...Basically the in house forum version of the Springer show. It makes for wonderful comedy when bored. What kind of uneducated white trash BS is he going to spew next? I wonder if he's okay? It's 9AM and he has yet to spot off some juvenile dick reference? if ever there was a word to describe you "dickhead" is it... I simply include the skier to humor you, cuz of course that crap you pretend is skiing doesn't really qualify you as a "skier", just an owner of skis...so how 'bout "dickheadownerofskis"? kinda long...Nah, he will deliver. He's probably too busy reading zero hedge and emailing someone about how awesome he is.

yep sux to be me...so where does that leave you? somewhere around subterranean sewage hole?

enjoy yer bitter strawhatter envy....I'm sure it'll pay big dividends some day...

[madhatter]

OK, so you got me curious about the basis of this opinion, and I googled Danish inventions, Swedish inventions, and Norwegian inventions.

It was a short list, and while it includes zippers, colostomy bags and dynamite, it is a very short list compared to the achievements of the US.

So tell me why we are the laughing stock, what long list of great achievements of the Scandinavian countries am I missing, and why it is that all these brilliant people that comprise the vast foreign tech intelligence want to move here. Here, in the US, not Venezuela, Denmark, Cuba, or any other utopia I may not be aware of.

Surprise, surprise. In comes captain of intellectual dishonesty, Moose with his Carli pencil. Let's just take a little bit of this, leave out a little bit of that and change the context of that and I'll make a nice little tidy point that the idiots will lap up.

They are legitimate questions. You still haven't answered them. You can add to the list what did I say that is intellectually dishonest?

When talking about education, I was referring to H1B doctorate students and that the US is failing miserably at producing scientists. A full 50% of phD students in science are foreign born. Some education systems it's 100%. I work for a US based medical technology company. I can tell you that US born engineers in the company represent a tiny minority.

You are basing a judgment of the US educational system on the number of imported engineers. 1) Are these foreign born engineers cheaper than their US counterparts? 2) With all the easy college loans, why are so many not choosing an engineering degree?cuz math and stuff is hard and no fun while singing, dancing and spouting off your opinion as a philosophy to be followed is...combine that up w easy, pain free student loans ( pain free to take out, not so pain free to pay back) and "follow your dreams" ridiculousness and ya get a whole pile of western poetry and transgender studies majors, and a couple of petro-chemical engineers here and there...

By making undergraduate college attainable for people of all income levels (a big goal for Sanders and a reality in much of the world) it stands to reason we will also have more young people achieving into higher institutions of learning as well. Some of those very bright people move on to create the next great technologies that help drive our economy. The cost of entry into the system is astronomical today compared to when you graduated high school. Also the students that can find a way in are not as well prepared because our primary and secondary education systems are lagging behind most first world countries. People like madhatter that don't see this crisis in intellectual capital for what it is truly have their head in the sand.

It IS attainable. That's what the easy college loans do. The cost went up because way too much easy money chased a small supply with no concern for the cost.

My point regarding Venezuela is that it's easy for the low information Trump crowd to point to Venezuela and say, "see, that's what Sanders economy would look like," when the truth is that the countries that Sanders draws much of his inspiration from like Norway are thriving economically and socially.

You have to look at the whole socialist crowd of nations. To point at just one or two and say "See how great it works!" ignores the greater picture. Norway has indigenous differences, and enjoys the protection of NATO.now that's a PC way of putting it....

Norway's economy is far from thriving, GDP is less than 1% growth currently, and has averaged 1.4% the last 5 years.as long as DHS's wish list is complete who cares what you or anyone else wants? he knows what;s best for all of us, reality be damned, and anyone who says different is clearly intellectually dishonest or a low information, white trash, trump supporting simpleton neanderthal and will remain so until they subscribe to his groupthink and join the ranks of the "enlightened"... thinking outside the box and self accountability is stupid and a clear path to failure...if only I had known how much better my life could have been had I spent the last 30 yrs waiting for the govt to give me the things I want...

Okay, save your breath madhatter. I know what you're going to say. "If you like Norway so much, why don't you move there." That my friend is code for, "I'm an idiot who doesn't like progress."
In all aspects of life from the individual level to that of government, you look at other people's ideas and if the results are better than your own, you adopt them. if that were the case then DHS would clearly be adopting the madhatter strategy....but alas not everyone is madhatter university material...That's how we got from hunter gatherers to where we are today with a few simpleton Neanderthals like yourself slipping through the cracks along the way.

We should be constantly striving to do better. That is the essence of being a progressive.

"Progressive" ideas don't always produce progress. See public education with more money thrown at it and more federal regulation. What we have as a result is teach to the test, and pass low performers to meet the quota so funding isn't lost. That isn't progress. You imply that those who aren't part of your "progressive" party don't strive to be better. You sure you want to hang your hat on that? Simply saying progressive doesn't make it so.

I'm not against investing in education. But get it right in High School first before you start shoveling even more money at College. Because the current cost of College is a great example of why shoveling other people's money isn't always a good idea.as long as its other people's money DHS doesn't care, it simply doesn't affect him, so pain free it must be good.....

Still waiting on the long list of Norwegian inventions.

DHS will only be happy when his wishlist is complete, conversely I'll be happy until then...guess who's gonna win that one...

[deadheadskier]

simply include the skier to humor you, cuz of course that crap you pretend is skiing doesn't really qualify you as a "skier"...

As usual, your third grade level writing skills make it very difficult to decipher the point you are trying to convey. Are you talking about my skiing ability or where I ski?

If it's ability, I'll say that if you're good at skiing (or anything for that matter) you don't have to tell people you're good. You struggle daily with this simple truth in life. You also have never seen me ski, so that makes you look pretty stupid. But, we already know you're not university material, so this comes as no surprise.

If you were referring to where I ski? Yes, Wildcat sucks. Don't bother going there.

As far as me envying you? Hmmm, let me think about that. Envying human trash. Yeah no.

[madhatter]

simply include the skier to humor you, cuz of course that crap you pretend is skiing doesn't really qualify you as a "skier"...

As usual, your third grade level writing skills make it very difficult to decipher the point you are trying to convey. pretty sure it's your third grade comprehension skills... Are you talking about my skiing ability or where I ski?yep, there's yer big takeaway, clearly your supreme intellect allows you to immediately home in on the most pertinent points with laser precision...definitely proves my point about your comprehension...

If it's ability, I'll say that if you're good at skiing (or anything for that matter) you don't have to tell people you're good. oh I do it just to piss you and the rest of the hatter haters off...werks like magic...You struggle daily with this simple truth in life. You also have never seen me ski, yep, so all I really know about you is that yer a dickhead, which is why I doubted the skier part and include it when describing you just to humor you...so that makes me look pretty stupid. But, we already know I'm not madhatter university material, so this comes as no surprise.being aggravated by madhatter, you struggle with this continuously...

If you were referring to where I ski? Yes, Wildcat sucks. Don't bother going there. talk about being someone's toy, I don't give a crap about any of this stuff, but thanks for getting all worked up over it on demand, lot faster than DirecTv on demand, and funnier too.....

As far as me envying you? Hmmm, let me think about that. Envying human trash. Yeah no.

clearly you do...so much so that you go out of your way to create a strawhatter you can despise in order to feel better about your pathetic self...all the while asking me to contribute to your worldview fantasy, either by joining in or by the hand of your proxy...either way your will shall prevail, and screw anyone who disagrees...oblivious hypocrisy barely scratches the surface of the depths to which you sink...

tiny pink intermediate lady ski, breath saving, third grade level writing skills, human trash, head in the sand, low information, white trash, brainless, trump supporting, simpleton, loser, neanderthal, ronald mcdonald hair, racist, homophobic, mysogynist, denialist, red crayon loving maddy--out

[deadheadskier]

tiny pink intermediate lady ski, breath saving, third grade level writing skills, human trash, head in the sand, low information, white trash, brainless, trump supporting, simpleton, loser, neanderthal, ronald mcdonald hair, racist, homophobic, mysogynist, denialist, red crayon loving maddy--out

Yes, that about covers it.

[madhatter]

tiny pink intermediate lady ski, breath saving, third grade level writing skills, human trash, head in the sand, low information, white trash, brainless, trump supporting, simpleton, loser, neanderthal, ronald mcdonald hair, racist, homophobic, mysogynist, denialist, red crayon loving maddy--out

Yes, that about covers it.

certainly covers the extent of your argument anyway...short on substance long on personal attacks, you could at least try to mix it up a little bit...


your factually devoid, personal feelings driven misplaced aggression and hostility makes me want to immediately convert and join your side, said no one ever...

and since you clearly need other people's money, you kinda need to appeal to those " other people" unless it's your intent to simply take their money by force...

on the other hand, I'm not trying to get anyone to " act on my behalf" or in concert with me to take anything from anyone, thus i only need to support those who also wish to simply be free from the demands of you and your ilk, who are of course free to do whatever you like free from my intervention...so simple even a braindead"skier" can understand it... well anything a step above a braindead"skier" anyway...