freeski wrote: If we didn't allow any immigrants in for 10 years then 0% of the scientists would be foreign born. Problem solved.
This would be hilarious if it were a joke, but you probably actually believe this, so it's not. With comments you and f.a.s.t make about immigration, I'm guessing you don't see the importance of importing intellectual capital.
If H1B was being used to bring in workers with skills American companies need because they can't find them here that would be fine. Also keeping the best foreigners here after they go to our schools. The problem is that Zuckerfck and his friends are using the program to bring in workers simply because they are cheaper. Trump will fix this. Trump will fix everything.
freeski wrote: If we didn't allow any immigrants in for 10 years then 0% of the scientists would be foreign born. Problem solved.
This would be hilarious if it were a joke, but you probably actually believe this, so it's not. With comments you and f.a.s.t make about immigration, I'm guessing you don't see the importance of importing intellectual capital.
If H1B was being used to bring in workers with skills American companies need because they can't find them here that would be fine. Also keeping the best foreigners here after they go to our schools. The problem is that Zuckerfck and his friends are using the program to bring in workers simply because they are cheaper. Trump will fix this. Trump will fix everything.
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program.
mach es sehr schnell
'exponential reciprocation'- The practice of always giving back more than you take....
Still waiting on the long list of Norwegian inventions.and the whole host of other similarities between the US and Norway that make it possible for them to share the exact same form of govt and achieve the same "successes"...
tax revenue as a % of GDP
United States 26.9
Norway 43.6
where do you suggest we get that add'l 17% of revenue from? the rich? the corporations? the tooth fairy?
mach es sehr schnell
'exponential reciprocation'- The practice of always giving back more than you take....
madhatter wrote:
tiny pink intermediate lady ski, breath saving, third grade level writing skills, human trash, head in the sand, low information, white trash, brainless, trump supporting, simpleton, loser, neanderthal, ronald mcdonald hair, racist, homophobic, mysogynist, denialist, red crayon loving maddy--out
Yes, that about covers it.
certainly covers the extent of your argument anyway...short on substance long on personal attacks, you could at least try to mix it up a little bit...
your factually devoid, personal feelings driven misplaced aggression and hostility makes me want to immediately convert and join your side, said no one ever...
and since you clearly need other people's money, you kinda need to appeal to those " other people" unless it's your intent to simply take their money by force...
on the other hand, I'm not trying to get anyone to " act on my behalf" or in concert with me to take anything from anyone, thus i only need to support those who also wish to simply be free from the demands of you and your ilk, who are of course free to do whatever you like free from my intervention...so simple even a braindead"skier" can understand it... well anything a step above a braindead"skier" anyway...
Claims others get worked up; writes multiple paragraph responses to five word sentences. Too funny
madhatter wrote:
tiny pink intermediate lady ski, breath saving, third grade level writing skills, human trash, head in the sand, low information, white trash, brainless, trump supporting, simpleton, loser, neanderthal, ronald mcdonald hair, racist, homophobic, mysogynist, denialist, red crayon loving maddy--out
Yes, that about covers it.
certainly covers the extent of your argument anyway...short on substance long on personal attacks, you could at least try to mix it up a little bit...
your factually devoid, personal feelings driven misplaced aggression and hostility makes me want to immediately convert and join your side, said no one ever...
and since you clearly need other people's money, you kinda need to appeal to those " other people" unless it's your intent to simply take their money by force...
on the other hand, I'm not trying to get anyone to " act on my behalf" or in concert with me to take anything from anyone, thus i only need to support those who also wish to simply be free from the demands of you and your ilk, who are of course free to do whatever you like free from my intervention...so simple even a braindead"skier" can understand it... well anything a step above a braindead"skier" anyway...
Claims others get worked up; writes multiple paragraph responses to five word sentences. Too funny
got it you writing pages is perfectly fine, madhatter writing back is a huge problem...your hypocrisy knows no bounds...your ability to craft an argument is bound to the floor by your lack of substance to back it up...
so far you've provided NOTHING to back up your fantasy utopia and just attacked anyone who refuses to sign on to it...I'm sure you've won a whole sh!t ton of new supporters over to your side...
here's you on every thing you attempt to argue:
"as he redundantly repeated his emotionally charged opinions at me I was instantly convinced..."
"DHS is the most illogical condescending person I have ever met"...
DHS: saying something like that is a symptom of not being progressive, it just makes you mean and you can;t think straight so you become tiny pink intermediate lady ski, breath saving, third grade level writing skills, human trash, head in the sand, low information, white trash, brainless, trump supporting, simpleton, loser, neanderthal, ronald mcdonald hair, racist, homophobic, mysogynist, denialist, red crayon loving maddy...
clearly you have nothing to support the failed sanders candidacy except hurling insults ... should be enough to propel him to the front...
mach es sehr schnell
'exponential reciprocation'- The practice of always giving back more than you take....
Mister Moose wrote: I'm not against investing in education. But get it right in High School first before you start shoveling even more money at College. Because the current cost of College is a great example of why shoveling other people's money isn't always a good idea.
My mother was a high school teacher in Brooklyn and Queens for 30 years. She used to say that by the time kids got to her it was, for the most part, too late. The fix needs to start with elementary school.
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Mister Moose wrote: I'm not against investing in education. But get it right in High School first before you start shoveling even more money at College. Because the current cost of College is a great example of why shoveling other people's money isn't always a good idea.
My mother was a high school teacher in Brooklyn and Queens for 30 years. She used to say that by the time kids got to her it was, for the most part, too late. The fix needs to start AT HOMEwith elementary school.
fixed it for ya... the problems are largely cultural...fix that first...much of the rest will fix itself...
meanwhile here's how sanders supporters see fit to enact their utopia:
Mister Moose wrote: I'm not against investing in education. But get it right in High School first before you start shoveling even more money at College. Because the current cost of College is a great example of why shoveling other people's money isn't always a good idea.
My mother was a high school teacher in Brooklyn and Queens for 30 years. She used to say that by the time kids got to her it was, for the most part, too late. The fix needs to start AT HOMEwith elementary school.
fixed it for ya... the problems are largely cultural...fix that first...much of the rest will fix itself...
meanwhile here's how sanders supporters see fit to enact their utopia:
Mister Moose wrote: I'm not against investing in education. But get it right in High School first before you start shoveling even more money at College. Because the current cost of College is a great example of why shoveling other people's money isn't always a good idea.
My mother was a high school teacher in Brooklyn and Queens for 30 years. She used to say that by the time kids got to her it was, for the most part, too late. The fix needs to start with elementary school.
Bubba you probably know I agree and you probably know why. I should have said get it right through High School. But even with the problems presented to first grade teachers, there is more accountability that can happen in High School. Stop passing students that don't have the skills required of their current grade. Don't give diplomas to students that don't have the skills. Don't allow disruptive students to remain in class.
Look madhatter, my points are very simple (even you should be able to understand them).
Universal Healthcare is cheaper than our private system. There are dozens of nations that prove this out. The stats are all there and by many metrics, the quality of care is better.
This is something I agree with Sanders on. Universal Healthcare is both better for the wallet and our health.
Thems the facts. The onus is on you to prove me wrong with facts and statistics. Not, "Wah, wah, I think ours is better because I like it this way." Facts please
I agree with Sanders on investing greater amounts of our money on all levels of our education system. The free public university plan is estimated to cost $75B a year. That's about 12% of our military budget and a way better use of our money. I'd be fine diverting 25%, so $150B of the military budget towards improving all levels of education. We'd still have a massively larger military than any other nation in the world and our economy would stand to improve due to greater innovation and a more intelligent workforce.
The only reason why I brought up Norway is to point out that not all nations that employ socialist programs like free public universities and universal healthcare are doomed to end up like Venezuela. Hell, I could have said Canada. Never did I imply that Norway was a leader in science and inventions. I also never said that we should be just like them. My discussion on science had to do with H1B Visa students making up a larger portion of our technology future than American born citizens. We would be screwed without them, but really should be trying to produce more students of that caliber here at home.
So, there you have it. I'm looking to reduce costs on a healthier and more intelligent society. The healthcare part is socialism yes. The education is more repurposing funds.....more books instead of bombs.
Having a larger military than other countries is meaningless. When the world goes to war it's about alliances. Can we beat Russia and China at the same time? That is the question. There is a huge amount of waste in our defense budget and Trump address it. Is there anything Trump can't do? No, there is nothing Trump can not do.
The inventiveness of Europe’s leading economies is also reflected in the ratio of European patent applications to population. Switzerland (with 873 applications per million inhabitants), the Netherlands (419) and some of the Nordic countries topped the list again in 2015. Japan (169) was the first non-European country in the ranking with a ratio higher than the EU average (132), and also ahead of the US (133), South Korea (130) and China (4).
How does Switzerland manage to invent at a rate more than double the Netherlands, the nation in second place with 419 patent applications per million residents, and more than 6 times the rate of the US? A paper published by Ernest Miguelez and Carsten Fink at Geneva-based WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organisation) in 2013 offers clues.
Switzerland was one of only three countries to have a significant net inflow of inventors between 2001 and 2010. Only the US, which attracted 194,609 foreign inventors, and Germany, which attracted 25,341, out-did Switzerland at pulling in innovators from other countries.
Patent Applications per Million Inhabitants
1. Switzerland 872.7
2. Netherlands 418.9
3. Sweden 391.7
4. Finland 365.2
5. Denmark 345.8
6. Germany 307.0
7. Austria 229.9
8. Belgium 180.2
9. Japan 168.8
10. France 162.0
11. Israel 136.7
12. USA 132.8
13. Korea 130.5
14. Ireland 119.0
15. Norway 98.3
Granted, this is just one metric of European patent applications, but it shows those Bernie-like Nordic countries do fairly well here.
deadheadskier wrote:Look madhatter, my points are very simple (even you should be able to understand them). I clearly understand them, you want what you want and you insist I contribute to your whims...meanwhile I want what I want and don't care WTF you do...somehow you imagine yourself as the purveyor of all that's good and righteous and blame me for your inability to realize your fantasies...
Universal Healthcare is cheaper than our private system. There are dozens of nations that prove this out.WRONG, NO THANKS... again are they accepting immigrants? maybe you could go there cuz time and again the US has rejected universal healthcare and obamacare has proved to be a complete failure in the eyes of all but a scant % of the population...and infinitely more costly than projected w no relief in sight... The stats are all there and by many metrics, the quality of care is better. better for who? I don;t see americans flocking to universal HC countries for HS, in fact just the opposite, so who is it better for? certainly not me, I have a health care plan that provides good service at a good hospital albeit at a price that ls over-inflated to compensate for those who don;t pay their fair share, I'm happy with this...life saving cutting edge technology not widely available in most countries saved my brothers life, if he lived in Europe or most of the rest of the world I'd be visiting a headstone now... if you want something else for you, go for it...if it has to include me, you need to come up with something different cuz so far I have no interest in what you are proposing, which of course is the source of your hate and anger...
This is something I agree with Sanders on. Universal Healthcare is both better for the wallet and our health.
Thems the facts. The onus is on you to prove me wrong with facts and statistics. Not, "Wah, wah, I think ours is better because I like it this way." Facts please actually the onus is on you to convince me to contribute to your fantasy, cuz right now the answer is NO, and w/o my contribution you got nothing...unless of course your plan is to take my contribution by force...
I agree with Sanders on investing greater amounts of our someone else's money as I doubt your taxes even cover your own kid let alone contribute to the welfare of someone else's too...money on all levels of our education system. The free public university plan is estimated to cost $75Bobamacare was gonna save us all 2500 bux a year too a year. That's about 12% of our military budget and a way better use of our money. I'd be fine diverting 25%, so $150B of the military budget towards improving all levels of education. We'd still have a massively larger military than any other nation in the world being the only benevolent military on the planet we kinda need to be...and our economy would stand to improve due to greater innovation and a more intelligent workforce.doubtful and certainly unproven...sorry dude but that's just simplistic and unrealistic...again it's not leading the horse to water or supplying more water that;s the problem some horses just won;t drink no matter how much water ya throw at them...you can throw your water if you like, not mine, I've thrown enough down the drain to realize it isn't a cistern, you've not come to that inevitable conclusion yet......
The only reason why I brought up Norway is to point out that not all nations that employ socialist programs like free public universities and universal healthcare are doomed to end up like Venezuela. the only reason I posted about venezuala is because it clearly falling apart right now...for every norway there's a number of venezuela's, there's only ONE USA...and it's head and shoulder's above the rest... Hell, I could have said Canada. Never did I imply that Norway was a leader in science and inventions. I also never said that we should be just like them. My discussion on science had to do with H1B Visa students making up a larger portion of our technology future than American born citizens. We would be screwed without them, but really should be trying to produce more students of that caliber here at home.addressed that numerous times, you continue to ignore it... firstly H1B is a govt created program that common to many govt constructs fails to achieve the goals it sets forth while encountering a whole host of ( supposedly) unintended consequences along the way that only serve to further erode any sort of success...
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
So, there you have it. I'm looking to reduce costs on a healthier and more intelligent society. by subsidizing poverty, creating 26 yr old adult babies who haven;t worked a day in their lives, punishing success and rewarding failure? and denigrating anyone who doesn't want to sign on to your mandatory utopia? NEVER...The healthcare part is socialism yes. The education is more repurposing funds.....more books instead of bombs.kumbaya, the universal language of the dead...
so in actuality none of your ideas are simple, more like simplistic...they all make assumptions that can never be counted on to come to fruition, in fact they can be guaranteed not to, thus you've created a never-ending drag on the prosperous to sustain the failures...give norway time it too will fail or change it's ways...they ALWAYS run out of other people's money eventually, and when they can no longer take it by asking, they take it by force...and while you may think that norway is shangrila, I can assure you I live a far better life than the avg norwegian right here in america, thru my own hard work and despite the suck of the mooches...I'll be damned if I'm gonna sign on to dragging down the successful to the level of the less successful just to make us all even...let's not even get into the severe problems they are having there w muslim refugees and immigrants...
mach es sehr schnell
'exponential reciprocation'- The practice of always giving back more than you take....
he couldn't make it outta the first debate either....meanwhile the anointed hillary can't get by sanders despite her overwhelming political connections and endless bankroll...
I wouldn't be counting yer chickens just yet...
mach es sehr schnell
'exponential reciprocation'- The practice of always giving back more than you take....
