yeah everyone was shocked that trump imposed these tariffs outta the blue w/o ever having mentioned them before...the public was blindsided...well, the stupid half was...XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Hadn't sold or bought stock in Manitowoc in nearly three (3) years, but it's a coincidence he sold his entire stake in the company the same week as Trumps tariff announcement. Sure....deadheadskier wrote:I suppose his buddy Carl didn't talk to him about the metal tariffs prior to the announcement. Trump works on the up and up. High character guy
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So since you knew it - did you short any steel / aluminum stocks? It's like free money if you knew.madhatter wrote:yeah everyone was shocked that trump imposed these tariffs outta the blue w/o ever having mentioned them before...the public was blindsided...well, the stupid half was...XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Hadn't sold or bought stock in Manitowoc in nearly three (3) years, but it's a coincidence he sold his entire stake in the company the same week as Trumps tariff announcement. Sure....deadheadskier wrote:I suppose his buddy Carl didn't talk to him about the metal tariffs prior to the announcement. Trump works on the up and up. High character guy
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kinda have to own some first no? these tariffs didn't just materialize one day...they have been on the table for quite some time nowXtremeJibber2001 wrote:So since you knew it - did you short any steel / aluminum stocks? It's like free money if you knew.madhatter wrote:yeah everyone was shocked that trump imposed these tariffs outta the blue w/o ever having mentioned them before...the public was blindsided...well, the stupid half was...XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Hadn't sold or bought stock in Manitowoc in nearly three (3) years, but it's a coincidence he sold his entire stake in the company the same week as Trumps tariff announcement. Sure....deadheadskier wrote:I suppose his buddy Carl didn't talk to him about the metal tariffs prior to the announcement. Trump works on the up and up. High character guy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/bus ... ng-stocks/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump ... 2017-06-30" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
but no doubt in your mind trump personally called icahn and said hey, sell yer stock, but only some of it...
Trump push for steel tariffs sparks worries about global trade war
Published: June 30, 2017 2:00 p.m. ET
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https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=MTW" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
there's a link to the stocks performance...
there's a link to the stocks performance...
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Drain that swamp
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I'm sure you know just as much, if not more, about the importance of timing when making a market investment. Icahn's position, last he touched it in January 2015, was valued at ~$15/share of Manitowoc (MTW). The June 30, 2017 announcement by Trump MTW was trading at ~$24.04 and the stock was largely not impacted. Icahn started dumping the stock about a week before Trumps announcement when MTW was trading at ~$34/share and after Trumps announcement it dropped a little over 20%. When your trading selling ~1 million of shares the difference between selling at $24/share versus $34/share then the difference of about $10 million. Icahn's timing saved him ~$10M.madhatter wrote:kinda have to own some first no? these tariffs didn't just materialize one day...they have been on the table for quite some time nowXtremeJibber2001 wrote:So since you knew it - did you short any steel / aluminum stocks? It's like free money if you knew.madhatter wrote:yeah everyone was shocked that trump imposed these tariffs outta the blue w/o ever having mentioned them before...the public was blindsided...well, the stupid half was...XtremeJibber2001 wrote:Hadn't sold or bought stock in Manitowoc in nearly three (3) years, but it's a coincidence he sold his entire stake in the company the same week as Trumps tariff announcement. Sure....deadheadskier wrote:I suppose his buddy Carl didn't talk to him about the metal tariffs prior to the announcement. Trump works on the up and up. High character guy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/bus ... ng-stocks/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump ... 2017-06-30" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
but no doubt in your mind trump personally called icahn and said hey, sell yer stock, but only some of it...
Trump push for steel tariffs sparks worries about global trade war
Published: June 30, 2017 2:00 p.m. ET
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where do you see that?XtremeJibber2001 wrote:I'm sure you know just as much, if not more, about the importance of timing when making a market investment. Icahn's position, last he touched it in January 2015, was valued at ~$15/share of Manitowoc (MTW). The June 30, 2017 announcement by Trump MTW was trading at ~$24.04 and the stock was largely not impacted. Icahn started dumping the stock about a week before Trumps announcement when MTW was trading at ~$34/share and after Trumps announcement it dropped a little over 20%. more made up "facts"When your trading selling ~1 million of shares the difference between selling at $24/share versus $34/share then the difference of about $10 million. Icahn's timing saved him ~$10M.madhatter wrote:kinda have to own some first no? these tariffs didn't just materialize one day...they have been on the table for quite some time nowXtremeJibber2001 wrote:So since you knew it - did you short any steel / aluminum stocks? It's like free money if you knew.madhatter wrote:yeah everyone was shocked that trump imposed these tariffs outta the blue w/o ever having mentioned them before...the public was blindsided...well, the stupid half was...XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
Hadn't sold or bought stock in Manitowoc in nearly three (3) years, but it's a coincidence he sold his entire stake in the company the same week as Trumps tariff announcement. Sure....seems as usual you know so much that isn't so...shocking....
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump ... 2017-06-30" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
but no doubt in your mind trump personally called icahn and said hey, sell yer stock, but only some of it...
Trump push for steel tariffs sparks worries about global trade war
Published: June 30, 2017 2:00 p.m. ET
https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=MTW" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
seems it's gone up every day since march 2...
Icahn remains Manitowoc’s fifth-largest holder with about 4.8 percent of the company’s common shares.
President Donald Trump started an investigation to determine the effect of steel and aluminum trading on the U.S. last April, citing national security concerns. The U.S. Commerce Department delivered its recommendations for steel to the president on Jan. 11 and for aluminum on Jan. 22. Both were made public on Feb. 16.
yep MUST be insider trading with direct knowledge from trump as to what the future would bring...no other possible explanation...try doing a little due diligence before you post half baked stupid bullsh!t that's easily proven false...A public filing shows Icahn began offloading shares of Manitowoc Company (MTW), which relies on steel to manufacture construction cranes, on February 12. His firm continued dumping the stock through February 22 for sale prices between $32.47 and $34.31.
"We reduced our position in Manitowoc for legitimate investment reasons," Icahn's Wednesday statement reads.
When Trump announced on March 1 a plan to levy a new 25% tariff on steel imports and a 10% tariff for aluminum, it rattled markets around the globe.
Manitowoc's stock price plunged nearly 6% on the day of the announcement. It's currently trading around $27 per share.
But the company's stock performance wasn't stellar before Trump's announcement. Manitowoc's stock price fell 32% between January 26 and February 28.
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Sounds a bit like the current administration
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James Cox, an expert on insider trading and professor at Duke Law, disagrees with you. Maybe you can explain it to him? Maybe also to the SEC? Lastly, you haven't mentioned if you shorted any steel / aluminium stocks ... did you or not?madhatter wrote:where do you see that?XtremeJibber2001 wrote:I'm sure you know just as much, if not more, about the importance of timing when making a market investment. Icahn's position, last he touched it in January 2015, was valued at ~$15/share of Manitowoc (MTW). The June 30, 2017 announcement by Trump MTW was trading at ~$24.04 and the stock was largely not impacted. Icahn started dumping the stock about a week before Trumps announcement when MTW was trading at ~$34/share and after Trumps announcement it dropped a little over 20%. more made up "facts"When your trading selling ~1 million of shares the difference between selling at $24/share versus $34/share then the difference of about $10 million. Icahn's timing saved him ~$10M.madhatter wrote:kinda have to own some first no? these tariffs didn't just materialize one day...they have been on the table for quite some time nowXtremeJibber2001 wrote:So since you knew it - did you short any steel / aluminum stocks? It's like free money if you knew.madhatter wrote:yeah everyone was shocked that trump imposed these tariffs outta the blue w/o ever having mentioned them before...the public was blindsided...well, the stupid half was...
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump ... 2017-06-30" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
but no doubt in your mind trump personally called icahn and said hey, sell yer stock, but only some of it...
Trump push for steel tariffs sparks worries about global trade war
Published: June 30, 2017 2:00 p.m. ET
https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=MTW" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
seems it's gone up every day since march 2...
Icahn remains Manitowoc’s fifth-largest holder with about 4.8 percent of the company’s common shares.
President Donald Trump started an investigation to determine the effect of steel and aluminum trading on the U.S. last April, citing national security concerns. The U.S. Commerce Department delivered its recommendations for steel to the president on Jan. 11 and for aluminum on Jan. 22. Both were made public on Feb. 16.yep MUST be insider trading with direct knowledge from trump as to what the future would bring...no other possible explanation...try doing a little due diligence before you post half baked stupid bullsh!t that's easily proven false...A public filing shows Icahn began offloading shares of Manitowoc Company (MTW), which relies on steel to manufacture construction cranes, on February 12. His firm continued dumping the stock through February 22 for sale prices between $32.47 and $34.31.
"We reduced our position in Manitowoc for legitimate investment reasons," Icahn's Wednesday statement reads.
When Trump announced on March 1 a plan to levy a new 25% tariff on steel imports and a 10% tariff for aluminum, it rattled markets around the globe.
Manitowoc's stock price plunged nearly 6% on the day of the announcement. It's currently trading around $27 per share.
But the company's stock performance wasn't stellar before Trump's announcement. Manitowoc's stock price fell 32% between January 26 and February 28.
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as usual you parroted someone else, did no due diligence of your own, leaped at a chance to call me out as if i am a daytrader or any kind of stock trader for that matter...then you posted false data concerning the stock that was easily proven false w a simple look at their ticker......XtremeJibber2001 wrote:James Cox, an expert on insider trading and professor at Duke Law, disagrees with you.who cares? Maybe you can explain it to him? ummm why would I want to?madhatter wrote:where do you see that?XtremeJibber2001 wrote:I'm sure you know just as much, if not more, about the importance of timing when making a market investment. Icahn's position, last he touched it in January 2015, was valued at ~$15/share of Manitowoc (MTW). The June 30, 2017 announcement by Trump MTW was trading at ~$24.04 and the stock was largely not impacted. Icahn started dumping the stock about a week before Trumps announcement when MTW was trading at ~$34/share and after Trumps announcement it dropped a little over 20%. more made up "facts"When your trading selling ~1 million of shares the difference between selling at $24/share versus $34/share then the difference of about $10 million. Icahn's timing saved him ~$10M.madhatter wrote:kinda have to own some first no?XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
So since you knew it - did you short any steel / aluminum stocks? It's like free money if you knew.
these tariffs didn't just materialize one day...they have been on the table for quite some time now
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump ... 2017-06-30" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
but no doubt in your mind trump personally called icahn and said hey, sell yer stock, but only some of it...
Trump push for steel tariffs sparks worries about global trade war
Published: June 30, 2017 2:00 p.m. ET
https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=MTW" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
seems it's gone up every day since march 2...
Icahn remains Manitowoc’s fifth-largest holder with about 4.8 percent of the company’s common shares.
President Donald Trump started an investigation to determine the effect of steel and aluminum trading on the U.S. last April, citing national security concerns. The U.S. Commerce Department delivered its recommendations for steel to the president on Jan. 11 and for aluminum on Jan. 22. Both were made public on Feb. 16.yep MUST be insider trading with direct knowledge from trump as to what the future would bring...no other possible explanation...try doing a little due diligence before you post half baked stupid bullsh!t that's easily proven false...A public filing shows Icahn began offloading shares of Manitowoc Company (MTW), which relies on steel to manufacture construction cranes, on February 12. His firm continued dumping the stock through February 22 for sale prices between $32.47 and $34.31.
"We reduced our position in Manitowoc for legitimate investment reasons," Icahn's Wednesday statement reads.
When Trump announced on March 1 a plan to levy a new 25% tariff on steel imports and a 10% tariff for aluminum, it rattled markets around the globe.
Manitowoc's stock price plunged nearly 6% on the day of the announcement. It's currently trading around $27 per share.
But the company's stock performance wasn't stellar before Trump's announcement. Manitowoc's stock price fell 32% between January 26 and February 28.
Maybe also to the SEC? if they got something to question I'm sure they will... Lastly, you haven't mentioned if you shorted any steel / aluminium stocks ... did you or not?
then on top of all that you come to the conclusion that it MUST be some kind of insider trading despite none of what you posted being accurate, and icahn still being 5th largest shareholder and retaining more than 2/3rds of his position...
it's possible but if all you have is "I hate trump and everyone associated with him" , some false data and a very biased "hunch" ya ain't got anything worth much..
and as if to cement your false sense of "winning" here you doubled down on your snide trading comment after failing to read my response the last time you asked...
and FYI icahn didn't take a "short" position..he liquidated part of his current position...
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I don't falsify any data, just used the wrong date the tariffs were announced in my calculation. Of course I don't hate Trump, but he's not a decent human being, so if that's hate then so be it. For the time being, he's still better than Hilary.madhatter wrote:it's possible but if all you have is "I hate trump and everyone associated with him" , some false data and a very biased "hunch" ya ain't got anything worth much..
and as if to cement your false sense of "winning" here you doubled down on your snide trading comment after failing to read my response the last time you asked...
and FYI icahn didn't take a "short" position..he liquidated part of his current position...
Just thought since you knew the tariffs were coming that you would have shorted some and got some $. Oh, and I didn't say Icahn shorted anything
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Hahaha
P.S. Trump is a coward - have the decency to fire your Secretary of State face to face. Or, at a minimum, pick up the phone and call him. By tweet? That's pathetic for a man who talks so tough all the time. Truth is, Trump is just a bully who hides behind his money and his lawyers. He's got no class and no character.
I'd really love to be a fly on the wall when one of Trump's chief advisors calls him a moron.In an amusing interlude, President Trump was asked if he fired Rex Tillerson because the former Secretary of State called him a "moron" last summer. Trump refused to answer, as the following exchange reveals:
Reporter: Did you fire him because he called you a moron?
Trump: What?
Reporter: Did you fire him because he called you a moron?
Trump: Say it again.
At that point Trump pivoted to Mike Pompeo.
P.S. Trump is a coward - have the decency to fire your Secretary of State face to face. Or, at a minimum, pick up the phone and call him. By tweet? That's pathetic for a man who talks so tough all the time. Truth is, Trump is just a bully who hides behind his money and his lawyers. He's got no class and no character.
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When playing any White House Apprentice role there always is a chance you may get fired.
If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine.
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.. not even man enuf to fire a guy like Rex in person
Setting up for massive out maneuvering by Rocket Man.
Should Skype the meeting .. far less embarrassing.
Yeah .. that line of potential cabinet replacements is out the door
Drumph really made the difference in Pennsylvania
Setting up for massive out maneuvering by Rocket Man.
Should Skype the meeting .. far less embarrassing.
Yeah .. that line of potential cabinet replacements is out the door
Drumph really made the difference in Pennsylvania
Forever .. Goat Path