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rogman wrote:

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The yellow represents where Vermont Land Trust owns. I'm not sure this rendering is surveyer quality, however. Pretty safe bet that hell will freeze over before they allow Killington to cut a trail on their land. I believe Juggernaut, et al, are grandfathered in.

Their interactive map is here: http://www.vlt.org/land-weve-conserved/ ... d-land-map

Lotsa room to cut one in right under Blue heaven skiers right of the Jug. That would be some pretty good blue terrain mid season. I'd hate to see alot of traffic over there though.

The large majority of land that Solitude or Juggernaut are on, south of South Ridge, is Vermont land trust land. I vaguely recall seeing signs up there saying to stay on the trails or to stay off them in the summer. Well, the border to that land is about 600ft out perpendicular from the edge of the trail at Upper Pipe Dream, and about 300 ft out at the bottom of Lower Pipe Dream. The border is just before the end of the first dogleg on Solitude, and a little ways out from the bottom of Jug Handle. SEE THE MAP HERE:

https://anrweb.vt.gov/PubDocs/ANR/Plann ... 20Plan.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes, you could make some sort of new trail in there, but it's not going to be anything special, and it's going to be right on top of the Jug. I guess you could make some sort of moderate width trail down the fall line, like Jug, but 80% of it would be flat. They need to be real careful of taking out too many trees in that area because of wind issues - if they were to widen jug and cut a wide trail next to it you may end up killing the border trees between them in a few years. Ditto for glading. In all likelihood they'll widen the Jug by some minor amount, like 30ft, and do nothing else. There's no good skiing in there right now, it's all dense pine and pretty flat - it would be way to much of a pain to glade it vs. the payoff, you would literally have to take out half the pines, then you'd have a glade that's super flat for 80% of it, with one slight pitch around Jug Handle, and the trees might die in a few years, just like the original pipe dream glade.

ski wrote:Great resource here . . . 1904 survey of Parkers Gore

https://www.sec.state.vt.us/media/460099/A204149.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Very Cool!

Mister Moose wrote:I see room between VLT and Jug, and between Pipe Dream and Roundabout.

Don't go wrecking roundabout glade man, that's awesome!

skixc2 wrote:

ski wrote:Great resource here . . . 1904 survey of Parkers Gore

https://www.sec.state.vt.us/media/460099/A204149.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Very Cool!

Looks like there used to be a road to the summit from the west going to the Killington Mountain house.

Big Bob wrote:
Looks like there used to be a road to the summit from the west going to the Killington Mountain house.

Old postcard of the road . . . view is from somewhere near Wheelerville Rd

Killington Mountain House

ski wrote:

Big Bob wrote:
Looks like there used to be a road to the summit from the west going to the Killington Mountain house.

Old postcard of the road . . . view is from somewhere near Wheelerville Rd

I have seen both of these photos in the past.
I always thought this was taken along where the Access Road is, but I stand corrected!

Big Bob wrote:

ski wrote:

Big Bob wrote:
Looks like there used to be a road to the summit from the west going to the Killington Mountain house.

Old postcard of the road . . . view is from somewhere near Wheelerville Rd

I have seen both of these photos in the past.
I always thought this was taken along where the Access Road is, but I stand corrected!

There's always many on Ebay along with other cool cards...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R4 ... d&_sacat=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rogman wrote:

vlt.JPG

The yellow represents where Vermont Land Trust owns. I'm not sure this rendering is surveyer quality, however. Pretty safe bet that hell will freeze over before they allow Killington to cut a trail on their land. I believe Juggernaut, et al, are grandfathered in.

Their interactive map is here: http://www.vlt.org/land-weve-conserved/ ... d-land-map

Yeah good call on that....knew the situation but didn't have the data...thanks.

Too bad about the situation...good woods out there if more trimming were allowed.

Lake Compounce in Connecticut just announced they are closing their Skyride, a Dopplemeyer FG quad that services about 700 feet of vertical, according to someone who claims to have checked a topo. That's just under the old SRT vertical, and with increased chair spacing you could use the old motor.

If Killington wants a cheap lift (assuming its in decent shape) that won't run more than 20-30 days a year, this might be an opportunity.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loca ... FB_CTBrand" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.snowjournal.com/discussion/ ... e-sky-ride" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sounds like a good approach. I bet there is a lot of equipment out there on the used market. However, the POWDR pockets are deep enough to do this right or close to right. Put in something new that will offer a good lifetime of service, cut another trail and maybe one or two glades sections on SR, and that effort plus the Bear project will be perceived as adequate to keep the public interested in Killington and perhaps be more competitive until the village debacle gets going. Then the Snowdon quad problem gets taken care of as part of that overall strategy. Not saying that I like that, but it seems to be where this is all heading.

Of course I feel that the Snowdon Quad should go to SR now, and put in a new HSQ at Snowdon at the existing footprint now. Should have been done years ago and POWDR would have been reaping the benefits. The problem with that is that POWDR will want a lift coming up and out of the village, and the Snowdon quad seems to be the target for extending lower into a village on/off. Maybe something like the Collins chair at Alta, which is a HSQ with a midstation. The bottom of the chair would load HSQ style in the new village, and that would be low volume even during holidays. Then the midstation would be at the current bottom now. Such a midstation would be the functional bottom for parts of the season when there will be insufficient snow or insufficient demand to run the village bottom stop.

There's a reason that the trail is called Pipe Dream . . .

I'm planning on making sure I take advantage of the last year without a lift over there.

Once they put the lift back in - new snow is only going to last a day - and the rocks will be exposed by noon. ( see the fiddle )

It's been nice not to worry about coverage over there.

The Village is causing decision paralysis on many things: Paving the access road, SRT replacement, lodge renovations, etc. By default, the sure thing gets built in the meantime. More Bear condos. As the years go by the effect of this paralysis grows. The best Village plan needs to be more incremental. Even though "Phase 1" is a fraction of the projected total, it is too big to build at once in this market. There seems to be a lack of developers waiting at the doorstep. Note that even the Bear project is getting phased, with 6 lower buildings of condo units first (and even those will get built in sequence) and then 18 duplex condos along Space walk. Killington has announced Ottauquechee Realty Advisors LLC as the partner for the Bear project. There are no permits yet for Bear, but for some reason, with act 250 permit now in hand, the timing and builder for The Village has yet to be announced.

A used lift makes more sense for a lift that runs 20-30 days a year. Amortizing a new lift for that few days is a financial nightmare. On the other hand a flagship resort buying a used lift looks cheesy. Killington will likely build a new lift, but it might get timed after enough of the condos at Bear sell. Pre construction offers should hit the market by Christmas. Maybe by the World Cup.