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It looks like they did some excavation work on Conclusion just below the mid-way unloading shack. I wonder if they created a pass-through so that the KMS kids can cut over to Highline higher up. Anyone know if this is true?

throbster wrote:It looks like they did some excavation work on Conclusion just below the mid-way unloading shack. I wonder if they created a pass-through so that the KMS kids can cut over to Highline higher up. Anyone know if this is true?

sounds logical...

Yet another powder stash ruined . . .

ski wrote:Yet another powder stash ruined . . .

Doubt it. I mean, it's under the freakin chair. (When it runs)

Killington on any given powder day is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to find.

That said, the box of chocolates is out in a sidewalk at rush hour. Even the nougat and orange creams everyone leaves don't last for very long.

Mister Moose wrote:

ski wrote:Yet another powder stash ruined . . .

Doubt it. I mean, it's under the freakin chair. (When it runs)

Killington on any given powder day is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to find.

That said, the box of chocolates is out in a sidewalk at rush hour. Even the nougat and orange creams everyone leaves don't last for very long.

Typically a reserved stash early season . .

Mister Moose wrote:

ski wrote:Yet another powder stash ruined . . .

Doubt it. I mean, it's under the freakin chair. (When it runs)

Killington on any given powder day is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to find.

That said, the box of chocolates is out in a sidewalk at rush hour. Even the nougat and orange creams everyone leaves don't last for very long.

funny that I actually like those...

Reopening Interceptor ladies tee for all you backseat hitch kickers.

brownman wrote:Reopening Interceptor ladies tee for all you backseat hitch kickers.

You mean from the highline side? Down low?

Haven't seen the notch cut .. butt it's likely up by the old start shack.
Interceptor lives on .. saplings and twigs are expendable.

brownman wrote:Haven't seen the notch cut .. butt it's likely up by the old start shack.
Interceptor lives on .. saplings and twigs are expendable.

It's grown in nicely to hide the entrances from the masses. Twigs could be saplings this year, and saplings could be trees soon.

I find it interesting that a tiny fraction of the customer population can get a machine and operator to make a small change on the hill that helps only a small fraction of the customer population, but anytime I or friends have recommended some simple grading, hill cutbacks, softening of trail turn radius, smoothing out typical rocky patches, etc. the response from anyone we ever talked to with a Killington nameplate was absolutely zero. Not even interested in listening or perhaps writing it down for management to consider. I understand that lots of ground features may have limitations on what can be done based on maintaining desired grades, water runoff, visibility for customers in motion, but does that also mean that the decision makers in the 60's, 70's, 80's got it right all the time on their claimed hundreds of trails or trail sections?

I think it is great that a small bit of earth will be modified for ease of transition for KMS or whomever. If this is where I think it is, then I cannot imagine that there would be any negative effect on the terrain short or long term. It's a good thing. So how about the rest of the world that pays the bills? I hope that someone like KMS did not have to pay out of their private pocket for this work. If so, then I know the answer to my own question.

It would sound something like - "We will invest in activities that will bring in increased revenue, especially in underutilized aspects". An obvious example would be all of the improvements across Snowshed, focused on summer activities. I think that is all great. But there seems to be no investment of man or machine towards customer satisfaction, or continuous improvement of their core product - skiing & riding. Replacing rusty snowmaking pipes is a good customer facing investment, although mandatory because they break and would force trails to close without natural snow. Some token signage updates were decent. But every time we show up we all see a ton of customer facing things that need improvement or fixing in the lots, lodges and their surrounds, lifts, trails, food - did I mention lifts? and nothing ever seems to get done. Same old situations, year after year. So I find it most interesting that some earth got moved, but not for the public.

da Pimp wrote:I find it interesting that a tiny fraction of the customer population can get a machine and operator to make a small change on the hill that helps only a small fraction of the customer population, but anytime I or friends have recommended some simple grading, hill cutbacks, softening of trail turn radius, smoothing out typical rocky patches, etc. the response from anyone we ever talked to with a Killington nameplate was absolutely zero. Not even interested in listening or perhaps writing it down for management to consider. I understand that lots of ground features may have limitations on what can be done based on maintaining desired grades, water runoff, visibility for customers in motion, but does that also mean that the decision makers in the 60's, 70's, 80's got it right all the time on their claimed hundreds of trails or trail sections?

I think it is great that a small bit of earth will be modified for ease of transition for KMS or whomever. If this is where I think it is, then I cannot imagine that there would be any negative effect on the terrain short or long term. It's a good thing. So how about the rest of the world that pays the bills? I hope that someone like KMS did not have to pay out of their private pocket for this work. If so, then I know the answer to my own question.

It would sound something like - "We will invest in activities that will bring in increased revenue, especially in underutilized aspects". An obvious example would be all of the improvements across Snowshed, focused on summer activities. I think that is all great. But there seems to be no investment of man or machine towards customer satisfaction, or continuous improvement of their core product - skiing & riding. Replacing rusty snowmaking pipes is a good customer facing investment, although mandatory because they break and would force trails to close without natural snow. Some token signage updates were decent. But every time we show up we all see a ton of customer facing things that need improvement or fixing in the lots, lodges and their surrounds, lifts, trails, food - did I mention lifts? and nothing ever seems to get done. Same old situations, year after year. So I find it most interesting that some earth got moved, but not for the public.

This reads like Dumb and Dumber...." you hope KMS didnt have to pay for this"?.....are you shittin me?...COURSE THEY DID!....same with the lift unload midstation ( engineering disaster that it was/is)....buy your pass and shut up.... Powdr doesnt give two shits about what you really want...UNLESS......youre writing a really big a/k/a KMS kinda check.

I believe KMS is behind this or had some influence on it. Pretty sure big Mike has a place on the board. I like Mike. But maybe it's time to start a pass holders union. Get stuff done to our paying satisfaction. Why the F do KMS snow flakes get all the influence and upgrades? The mid station and wind bag on lower S.S. are all examples. Why not cater to customers? Is my money not as green as KMS money?

ANGUS wrote:I believe KMS is behind this or had some influence on it. Pretty sure big Mike has a place on the board. I like Mike. But maybe it's time to start a pass holders union. Get stuff done to our paying satisfaction. Why the F do KMS snow flakes get all the influence and upgrades? The mid station and wind bag on lower S.S. are all examples. Why not cater to customers? Is my money not as green as KMS money?

Only when they see a reduction of cash flow they will start replacing lifts and upgrade lodges. What is going to happen at Bear next summer is developer investment, not from Powdrs pocket. When the parking goes away, so do I!

Yes, good points. The regulars still keep coming, so why should POWDR do anything differently?

Time to get back on my former bandwagon and make an effort to get friends/coworkers/strangers I meet to go elsewhere. I love the terrain, snowfall, long season so I will be there. But all I have to do is mention a few of the K problems like shitty lifts, shitty lodges, parking soon goes away and high prices. Easy to see how that negative attendance wave starts to build up again. Hurt them where they count since they cannot figure out or understand the "build it and they will come" concept. POWDR prefers the "sh*t them and talk big on free social media" approach. Word of mouth still affects more customer decision making than they think.