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I have to disagree, early season TTB K never has had an advantage, GN to Bunny and Mouse Trap is long way with crappy narrow trails. Okemo and Mt Snow with their long flat wide trails is far easier to cover. What makes us love the Beast the rest of the season, hurts us now and always has.

[Mister Moose]

YOU DON'T f*** KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SNOWMAKING AND ARE JUST TALKING OUT YOUR ASS.

Snowmaking is a process based on very well proven scientific principals.

Because someone who doesn't know the difference between principles (Scientific theory) and principals (High School Administrator) never talks out of his ass either.

[madhatter]

I have to disagree, early season TTB K never has had an advantage, GN to Bunny and Mouse Trap is long way with crappy narrow trails. Okemo and Mt Snow with their long flat wide trails is far easier to cover. What makes us love the Beast the rest of the season, hurts us now and always has.

[MrsG]

OMG, skiing was awesome today . . . hope all you whiners enjoy Mt. Snow, Okemo, Stowe, Sugarbush . . . or, from your couch this weekend . . . CTFD

[ANGUS]

I need a drink after reading all this. Yesterday was great. I guess we have some real first world problems. Let Killington and Mike figure out what is best. Save your energy for the stairs.

[Highway Star]

YOU DON'T f*** KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SNOWMAKING AND ARE JUST TALKING OUT YOUR ASS.

Snowmaking is a process based on very well proven scientific principals.

Because someone who doesn't know the difference between principles (Scientific theory) and principals (High School Administrator) never talks out of his ass either.

OOOH SO I DON'T SPEELL IT WRITE SO MY POINT IS INVALUATED.

Just wanted to see if your paying attention. Gald to see your still a huge tool

[snoloco]

Killington has in past years expanded t2b as soon as they had temps that were consistent enough to get it open and keep it open without needing to go back to the stairs. When there are only temps good enough to blow North Ridge, that's what they do. Their goal was to get t2b as soon as possible because you get a half hour lift line every weekend you don't.

They clearly have the temps to go t2b now, and they have gone t2b with much less favorable weather in the past. The reason they aren't is because of the World Cup. Spreading out crowds and opening lots of terrain early isn't the priority. It's the event they have in 2 weeks and are racing against the clock to prepare for.

[alanlw9]

Killington has in past years expanded t2b as soon as they had temps that were consistent enough to get it open and keep it open without needing to go back to the stairs. When there are only temps good enough to blow North Ridge, that's what they do. Their goal was to get t2b as soon as possible because you get a half hour lift line every weekend you don't.

They clearly have the temps to go t2b now, and they have gone t2b with much less favorable weather in the past. The reason they aren't is because of the World Cup. Spreading out crowds and opening lots of terrain early isn't the priority. It's the event they have in 2 weeks and are racing against the clock to prepare for.

Say it louder for the people in the back. Those saying how great the skiing was today. That’s awesome. Congratulations. You’ve made it far along in life that you can ski midweek. Like the World Cup customer, you are not the general population.

[Bubba]

Answering Southside Bobby's post on the last page.

If there was no WC to prepare for then there would be no question in my mind that they would be blowing top to bottom on Snowdon. They always run that fan gun on Mouse Trap because it's a return line, so they blow snow when they have temps there as it doesn't require any air.

And I agree, the stairs are for use in late October when they are open for a couple weeks before anyone else even tests their guns. If Mount Snow and Okemo can be open this weekend, then Killington has the weather needed to open top to bottom. However, their efforts are going to the World Cup preparation, so they will not be top to bottom.

What I noticed on the 360 cam is they're blowing Gateway off the back of Skye Peak. Not really sure what the point of it is, although it could be to get a loop around the back of Skye Peak open to allow the lift and other trails off Superstar to be open during the event. I didn't think the FIS let anyone on a lift over a course though.

snoloco, unless you think K is lying when they say that their crew on the North side is the same size as years without the race, then the only way they could move expansion any faster is to add more crew than normal.

K's snowmaking operations are very labor intensive compared to a lot of mountains. That is a choice they made, and it certainly has disadvantages.

It's not like Mount Snow, where if it is cold enough they can light up Long John top to bottom with a flip of a switch (this is not as much an exaggeration as you might think.).

If the North Ridge had already been open a couple of weeks, they could be finishing a march down Snowdon by now. But they just got the North Ridge open yesterday. It takes at least some time to move on.

We'll see come next week who is right on this. You think WC prep is slowing the expansion. I don't think it is.

If we are still walking up and down a week from now, you may turn out to be right.

Regardless, I imagine each of us will be infinitely more likely to admit being wrong than "you know who". And we agree that K SHOULD be expanding as fast as possible right now.

One thing is for sure, all of this speculation went on last year. The rate of expansion of public terrain was like any other year, determined by the conditions during the prior weeks.

I have skied K Thanksgiving weekend when Caper was open by Saturday, and others when GN didn't get below the Snowdon Quad. If Caper isn't open this year, it will be pretty easy to speculate it was because of the WC prep. It would also probably be wrong.

You just wrote a lot, waved your hands a bit, and said absolutely jack sh*t.

YOU DON'T f*** KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SNOWMAKING AND ARE JUST TALKING OUT YOUR ASS.

Snowmaking is a process based on very well proven scientific principles and a wide range of engineering disciplines. I've researched the process extensively, and have the professional background that makes me qualified to speak knowledgably about it in a casual internet context.

There are VERY CLEARLY IDENTIFYABLE limitations to every snowmaking system. Killington's NOMINAL WATER pumping capacity is 12,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE, that has been publicly claimed by them. An acre-ft of snow requires about 180,000 gallons of water. In OPTIMAL CONDITIONS, KILLINGTON MAXES OUT AT APPROXIMATE 4 ACRE FEET PER HOUR, MAYBE +/- 10%.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH YOU SPEW OR HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY HAVE ON A CREW, THEY SIMPLY CANT PUT MORE FROZEN WATER THAN THAT ON THE MOUNTAIN. THEY DON'T HAVE OR NEED CREW OF A HUNDRED GUYS OUT THERE WAVING THE GUNS AROUND, IT'S NOT ANY MORE LABOR INTENSIVE THAN ANY OTHER NORMAL SNOWMAKING SYSTEM HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS. THEY HAVE TO OCASSIONALLY MOVE THE GUNS TO KEEP THEM FROM SELF BURYING, OR THEY NEED TO TUNE THE A/W RATIO. THEY ARE NOT LIMITED BY MANPOWER AT ALL.

Isn't it about time you proved your credentials and took over Jeff Temple's job for a month? I'm sure Mike would be more than willing to trust your judgment and expertise over Jeff's.

[snoloco]

Killington has in past years expanded t2b as soon as they had temps that were consistent enough to get it open and keep it open without needing to go back to the stairs. When there are only temps good enough to blow North Ridge, that's what they do. Their goal was to get t2b as soon as possible because you get a half hour lift line every weekend you don't.

They clearly have the temps to go t2b now, and they have gone t2b with much less favorable weather in the past. The reason they aren't is because of the World Cup. Spreading out crowds and opening lots of terrain early isn't the priority. It's the event they have in 2 weeks and are racing against the clock to prepare for.

Say it louder for the people in the back. Those saying how great the skiing was today. That’s awesome. Congratulations. You’ve made it far along in life that you can ski midweek. Like the World Cup customer, you are not the general population.

I'm sure the skiing is great now. And it's the only option in the east. That's why they put in the stairs. To enable openings when they wouldn't be able to otherwise because of having to blow all the way down to KBL. The stairs were never intended as a replacement for opening t2b as soon as temps allowed. Unfortunately, there is not enough capacity to blow enough snow for the World Cup and expand t2b at the same time, so the stairs are being used as a replacement for t2b because it doesn't take much effort to open that terrain and they can say they still have public skiing.

[f.a.s.t.]

From the looks of the SS cam, they could be open top to bottom on Superstar tomorrow if they wanted to.

[madhatter]

5:03 pm 11/09/17--Winter is here, skiers and riders! As we head into day three of the longest season in the East, our forecast is calling for single digit temperatures overnight. You can bet that Killington snowmakers will use those frosty temps to maximum advantage as they start to expand terrain. Upper Great Northern and Upper East Fall will be under the guns tonight, and of course Superstar will be too as we prepare for the upcoming Audi FIS Ski World Cup taking place Thanksgiving weekend.

Well kick Friday off with Rime and Reason freshly groomed. If our snowmakers make good progress, we could see Upper Great Northern from the K-1 Express Gondola unload down to Rime open soon. Until then, expect two way traffic on the Peak Walkway as outlined below.

With this aggressive cold front moving through tonight, we could see some weather related delays on Friday morning. Check back here before heading to the hill, and well keep you posted.

[daytripper]

5:03 pm 11/09/17--Winter is here, skiers and riders! As we head into day three of the longest season in the East, our forecast is calling for single digit temperatures overnight. You can bet that Killington snowmakers will use those frosty temps to maximum advantage as they start to expand terrain. Upper Great Northern and Upper East Fall will be under the guns tonight, and of course Superstar will be too as we prepare for the upcoming Audi FIS Ski World Cup taking place Thanksgiving weekend.

Well kick Friday off with Rime and Reason freshly groomed. If our snowmakers make good progress, we could see Upper Great Northern from the K-1 Express Gondola unload down to Rime open soon. Until then, expect two way traffic on the Peak Walkway as outlined below.

With this aggressive cold front moving through tonight, we could see some weather related delays on Friday morning. Check back here before heading to the hill, and well keep you posted.

Already starting with the weather related delays.....it's to cold so we won't be ready to go on time!

[madhatter]

5:03 pm 11/09/17--Winter is here, skiers and riders! As we head into day three of the longest season in the East, our forecast is calling for single digit temperatures overnight. You can bet that Killington snowmakers will use those frosty temps to maximum advantage as they start to expand terrain. Upper Great Northern and Upper East Fall will be under the guns tonight, and of course Superstar will be too as we prepare for the upcoming Audi FIS Ski World Cup taking place Thanksgiving weekend.

Well kick Friday off with Rime and Reason freshly groomed. If our snowmakers make good progress, we could see Upper Great Northern from the K-1 Express Gondola unload down to Rime open soon. Until then, expect two way traffic on the Peak Walkway as outlined below.

With this aggressive cold front moving through tonight, we could see some weather related delays on Friday morning. Check back here before heading to the hill, and well keep you posted.

forecast here says the dreaded R word, followed by mega cold...

[Mistergiff]

5:03 pm 11/09/17--Winter is here, skiers and riders! As we head into day three of the longest season in the East, our forecast is calling for single digit temperatures overnight. You can bet that Killington snowmakers will use those frosty temps to maximum advantage as they start to expand terrain. Upper Great Northern and Upper East Fall will be under the guns tonight, and of course Superstar will be too as we prepare for the upcoming Audi FIS Ski World Cup taking place Thanksgiving weekend.

Well kick Friday off with Rime and Reason freshly groomed. If our snowmakers make good progress, we could see Upper Great Northern from the K-1 Express Gondola unload down to Rime open soon. Until then, expect two way traffic on the Peak Walkway as outlined below.

With this aggressive cold front moving through tonight, we could see some weather related delays on Friday morning. Check back here before heading to the hill, and well keep you posted.

Already starting with the weather related delays.....it's to cold so we won't be ready to go on time!

This has nothing to do with the cold. Its going to be very windy out of the northwest in the morning. Just the type of wind that shuts down the North Ridge Triple.