Re: Leftists angered by Trump's characterization of Haiti...
Posted: Jan 16th, '18, 07:30
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You seem to be mistaking my point for Moose's absurd argument that aspiring immigrants desiring to leave a country decimated by natural disasters and political corruption somehow validates the right wing agenda. Wonder how many of those blond, blue-eyed Norwegians so prized by Gump are clamoring to immigrate to Mississippi?madhatter wrote:CD's arguments are ridiculous unintentional caricatures of left wing propaganda somehow presented with a straight face as fact...knowing him it's simply not possible he actually believes this crap...I can only surmise that he believes that other ( barely) useful idiots will buy it...Coydog wrote:I bet you're gonna find way more Haitians who willingly immigrate to Cuba than the reddest county in the reddest state, or in Presidential terms, "Shithole Country".Mister Moose wrote:Pick a red state, any state. Pick the reddest county in the reddest state. Ask how many Hatians would move there tomorrow. Better question: how many are there today? Now ask the same question, only the Hatians now have to pick a place where the leftists have taken completely over, no underlying free market economy, a leftist "everyone gets a living wage" party wielding complete power in a country in this hemisphere, like Venezuela or Cuba. How many Hatians are going to choose that leftist "Blue Country" instead of any "Red State"? Answer: Plenty already have.Coydog wrote:
Hmmmm, "Eat pigeons and rats", "Nobody can read or write", "Houses made from mud, sticks and a tarp", etc. - I guess "Shithole Country" means "Red States".
yer phony cries of racism aren't swaying anyone...Coydog wrote:You seem to be mistaking my point for Moose's absurd argument that aspiring immigrants desiring to leave a country decimated by natural disasters and political corruption somehow validates the right wing agenda. Wonder how many of those blond, blue-eyed Norwegians so prized by Gump are clamoring to immigrate to Mississippi?madhatter wrote:CD's arguments are ridiculous unintentional caricatures of left wing propaganda somehow presented with a straight face as fact...knowing him it's simply not possible he actually believes this crap...I can only surmise that he believes that other ( barely) useful idiots will buy it...Coydog wrote:I bet you're gonna find way more Haitians who willingly immigrate to Cuba than the reddest county in the reddest state, or in Presidential terms, "Shithole Country".Mister Moose wrote:Pick a red state, any state. Pick the reddest county in the reddest state. Ask how many Hatians would move there tomorrow. Better question: how many are there today? Now ask the same question, only the Hatians now have to pick a place where the leftists have taken completely over, no underlying free market economy, a leftist "everyone gets a living wage" party wielding complete power in a country in this hemisphere, like Venezuela or Cuba. How many Hatians are going to choose that leftist "Blue Country" instead of any "Red State"? Answer: Plenty already have.Coydog wrote:
Hmmmm, "Eat pigeons and rats", "Nobody can read or write", "Houses made from mud, sticks and a tarp", etc. - I guess "Shithole Country" means "Red States".
So Cuba is now a better choice for quality of life than somewhere, MS? Really?Coydog wrote:I bet you're gonna find way more Haitians who willingly immigrate to Cuba than the reddest county in the reddest state, or in Presidential terms, "Shithole Country".Mister Moose wrote:Pick a red state, any state. Pick the reddest county in the reddest state. Ask how many Hatians would move there tomorrow. Better question: how many are there today? That's not a better question. Now ask the same question, only the Hatians now have to pick a place where the leftists have taken completely over, no underlying free market economy, a leftist "everyone gets a living wage" party wielding complete power in a country in this hemisphere, like Venezuela or Cuba. How many Hatians are going to choose that leftist "Blue Country" instead of any "Red State"? Answer: Plenty already have. Context: Were these folks given a choice to immigrate to the US? What years are you talking about?Coydog wrote:
Hmmmm, "Eat pigeons and rats", "Nobody can read or write", "Houses made from mud, sticks and a tarp", etc. - I guess "Shithole Country" means "Red States".
Way off. I was merely stating that you have grossly mischaracterized the quality of life anywhere in the US compared to Cuba. Even with your unstated but ominous inclusion of the deplorable "Right Wing Agenda" which you don't even give any factual reference to. "Right Wing Agenda" must just as well be a name for a character from Monsters, Inc. that is used to scare people. (Cue Pelosi and Schumer)Coydog wrote: ... Moose's absurd argument that aspiring immigrants desiring to leave a country decimated by natural disasters and political corruption somehow validates the right wing agenda. Wonder how many of those blond, blue-eyed Norwegians so prized by Gump are clamoring to immigrate to Mississippi?
You were comparing the likes of Haiti to Red States. That's unsupportable, so I called you on it. It had nothing to do with "validating the right wing agenda"Coydog wrote: I guess "Shithole Country" means "Red States".
Both of you may find it interesting the pace of Norwegian immigration slowed in the early 1900's when their gov't passed laws making it harder for Eastern Europeans and Asians to migrate to Norway. Not to mention before this law was passed many Norwegian's didn't do so well in the US (e.g. low wages). Oh and there's that whole discovering oil thing that's seemingly made Norway do all right.Mister Moose wrote:[...snip...]Coydog wrote: ... Moose's absurd argument that aspiring immigrants desiring to leave a country decimated by natural disasters and political corruption somehow validates the right wing agenda. Wonder how many of those blond, blue-eyed Norwegians so prized by Gump are clamoring to immigrate to Mississippi?
And Norwegians might not immigrate to Mississippi because A) it's hot and B) " Mississippi came in last in our ranking of state economies..." (Wiki)
Actually you brought up the comparison of the likes of Haiti to Red States after I suggested that some of the attributes ascribed to a "Shithole Country" listed in a previous comment could apply to Red States. By bringing up Haiti in this context, you seem to tacitly approve of Gump's characterization that Haiti and other locales are "Shithole Countries" along with the clear implication that those who live there are "Shithole People".Mister Moose wrote: Keep in mind all this derived from your comment:You were comparing the likes of Haiti to Red States. That's unsupportable, so I called you on it. It had nothing to do with "validating the right wing agenda"Coydog wrote: I guess "Shithole Country" means "Red States".
So by this logic, those prized Norwegians with their high tax socialist ways would be more than justified in calling the US a "shithole" country. I bet most of them don't want to immigrate to a country run by a shithole president anyway.Kpdemello wrote:I'm going to say something crazy.
Trump wasn't wrong. These places are "shithole" countries. uh huh, along with pretty much the entire continent of Africa I don't think it was racist, either. probably in the minority there - perhaps "impoverished" might have been a tad less racially charged There are lots of horrible places around the globe that can be described as shitholes. For example, I'd never want to live in Somolia, Liberia, Haiti, etc. That's not a racist statement, its a statement about the living conditions in these places. kinda like I wouldn't want to live in a shithole state like Alabama, West Virginia, Missisippi, etc.