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madhatter wrote:but lets be clear the affirmative action president directed nothing w/o first being directed...
Can you elaborate what you mean by this statement and who was directing Obama?
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
madhatter wrote:but lets be clear the affirmative action president directed nothing w/o first being directed...
Can you elaborate what you mean by this statement and who was directing Obama?
nope other than to say that he was a puppet, the front man for advancing a narrative and policy that was determined for him by the party and whoever it is beholden to and directed by...nonetheless he was the top dog and he gets to swing for it....I really don't care what you think cuz I'm convinced you don't think...you simply bloviate regurgitated TDS talking points til yer convinced your predetermined ideals are correct...who the fvck else is stupid enough to buy the MSM narrative or imagine that obama is directing it all by himself...he was simply a tool for the power grabbers whose existence you are still completely oblivious to...enjoy that hillary landslide, not one smidgen, heard about it on the news, get the transcripts candy, it was a video, if i had a son, the police acted stupidly russia russia russia bla bla bla and every other stupid thing you were convinced of til it blew up in yer face...ya gotta do what they tell you...you just don't know anything different...and therefore I just don't care what you "think"...
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Mister Moose wrote:With what we now know about Comey, you are defending his continued employment at the FBI?
What is it exactly that we know that is so bad? If it has to do with the Clinton email investigation, Trump seemed to think he did a great job right up until Comey refused to bow to political pressure to stop the Russia investigation.

Was Comey the best FBI director ever? Probably not. But to argue that Trump fired him for any other reason than the Russia investigation is a stretch. And btw, that's a shady ass reason to fire the FBI director. If he was otherwise doing a poor job, why did Trump praise him when he took office? Probably because he thought the way Comey handled the email investigation helped his election chances, I bet, but I digress.

I do agree though the IRS scandal is a stain on the Obama presidency. Not sure it was directed by the top guy, but he is responsible for what they do on his watch.
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Mister Moose wrote:
Coydog wrote:
f.a.s.t. wrote: They are all puppets of the police state. They all know their marching orders.
Let's see, right wingnuts believe Obama, as part of a grand deep state conspiracy to further his re-election, personally directed the IRS to slow down the tax exempt applications of some right wing political organizations that probably didn't have enough money to pay taxes in the first place. Yet Gump's public admission "I fired Comey because of the Russia thing" has nothing to do with obstruction.
It's not how much money the tax exempt organization has. They're tax exempt. It's the deductibility for donors, which is how the tax exempt organization is able to raise money. By denying tax exempt status, the IRS crippled the effectiveness of those organizations. Wake up.
Donor contributions to 501 (c)(4) organizations (the ones in question here) are not deductible for lobbying or any sort of political activity. So no matter what, you couldn't contribute to "Tea Party Patriots Against Obama the Kenyan Socialist" and deduct monies spent on their campaign ads.

So how many organizations were actually denied? I know of at least 3 - Emerge Nevada, Emerge Maine and Emerge Massachusetts, left leaning female advocacy groups for federal, state and local government. In 2011 about 50,000 groups applied for tax exempt status, about 200 were denied, that's 0.4%. Yes, a number of both left leaning and right leaning organizations were subject to further scrutiny - organizations with names that included words like "Tea Party", "9/12 Project", "progressive" and "occupy." But to view this as a concerted Obama led effort to exclusively thwart right leaning 501 (c)(4) groups is absurd.
Mister Moose wrote:With what we now know about Comey, you are defending his continued employment at the FBI?
I'm sure you too were outraged when you learned that in the middle of the election the FBI under Comey disclosed to the voting public that Clinton was under investigation (twice!) going against agency policy not to comment on ongoing investigations, but not a peep was made about the concurrent investigation into a potential Gump/Russian conspiracy and related irregularities.
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Coydog wrote: Donor contributions to 501 (c)(4) organizations (the ones in question here) are not deductible for lobbying or any sort of political activity. So no matter what, you couldn't contribute to "Tea Party Patriots Against Obama the Kenyan Socialist" and deduct monies spent on their campaign ads.
You're right. I haven't been contributing to the Tea Party, or Antifa, otherwise I would have known that. It still affected their fundraising capability, which was what the complaint was about.
Coydog wrote:So how many organizations were actually denied? I know of at least 3 - Emerge Nevada, Emerge Maine and Emerge Massachusetts, left leaning female advocacy groups for federal, state and local government. In 2011 about 50,000 groups applied for tax exempt status, about 200 were denied, that's 0.4%. Yes, a number of both left leaning and right leaning organizations were subject to further scrutiny - organizations with names that included words like "Tea Party", "9/12 Project", "progressive" and "occupy." But to view this as a concerted Obama led effort to exclusively thwart right leaning 501 (c)(4) groups is absurd.
I dunno about that one. Denied is not the question. The damage was done by delaying, not denying. So much so even the WaPo had to cough it up:


"May 10, 2013

The Internal Revenue Service on Friday apologized for targeting groups with “tea party” or “patriot” in their names, confirming long-standing accusations by some conservatives that their applications for tax-exempt status were being improperly delayed and scrutinized...

During that period, about 75 groups were selected for extra inquiry — including burdensome questionnaires and, in some cases, improper requests for the names of their donors — simply because of the words in their names, [Lerner] said in a conference call with reporters...

The sensitivity arises in no small part because of the IRS’s history as an agency that presidents have used to intimidate, harass and punish their political enemies. Most infamous was Richard M. Nixon, but the practice went back at least as far as Franklin D. Roosevelt. ­Post-Watergate reforms made the IRS more independent and were designed to insulate it from politics. "

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Mister Moose wrote:
Coydog wrote:With what we now know about Comey, you are defending his continued employment at the FBI?
I'm sure you too were outraged when you learned that in the middle of the election the FBI under Comey disclosed to the voting public that Clinton was under investigation (twice!) going against agency policy not to comment on ongoing investigations, but not a peep was made about the concurrent investigation into a potential Gump/Russian conspiracy and related irregularities.
I was uncertain about all of Comey's controversial actions, which still haven't been fully explained.
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Lawsuit To Halt $500 Million Obama Library May Proceed, Judge Rules

just rename the local sewage treatment facility and be done with it...
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