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[XtremeJibber2001]

you're the one saying that gay people are sinners, and that gay people are a bad example for your children to see.

I don't want my children involved in school activities where homosexuality is celebrated or normalized, directly or indirectly. The same applies to many other topics I'd be happy to discuss and is certainly not limited to homosexuality. This is much different than teaching "gay people are a bad example". There are many upstanding gay people that lead impactful and positive lives. To say I think their "bad people" is a strawman.

im not having it, and ill be as nasty as i want to be in not having it. lets see: you write politely, yet your content is incredibly nasty; i write nasty, yet my content is ultimately to further equality and protect minority rights. i just dont have the patience to give you the respect you havent earned. when you stop seeing gays as a negative, then you can have my respect.

I don't write politely. I am polite. How I post here is no different than how I would talk to you face to face. My guess is you would not talk like this to my face, but maybe I'm wrong. From your posts here it seems you want equality only for people/views that comport with your own, otherwise you give yourself a license to hate. I understand why you think you have a license to hate me due to my comments on homosexuality, even if I disagree with your justification.

Your license to hate isn't just limited to my views on homosexuality or minorities, you give yourself license to hate those with different views than your own. Just some examples:

ugh. i hate most people in killington and those who come here. over privileged white boomer trump supporters who think being inconvenienced is an attack on their civil rights. nearly all of you. if you wanna ski so f*** bad, hike up like the locals do and dont post about it.

why SHOULDN'T voting be convenient? what the f*** is wrong with you people with this insane mindset of curtailing voting? you really must hate people different than you and demand to win by any means necessary. disgusting. this election really brought out the fake patriots...

god you breeders are something else. so. f***. dumb. and hateful. the "what about the children" pearl clutching is what gets me the most, like you dont give a flying f*** about the health and welfare of gay kids or you wouldnt be a homophobic asshole.

Equality starts in your own heart.

my assertion - that religion is in steep decline in western civilization - is entirely with merit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_o ... _countries

your quote doesnt change that, since the south america, africa, and asia are all making up for the declines in europe and north america.

You're correct. I overlooked the word 'western' in your post.

[boston_e]

you're the one saying that gay people are sinners, and that gay people are a bad example for your children to see.

I don't want my children involved in school activities where homosexuality is celebrated or normalized, directly or indirectly. The same applies to many other topics I'd be happy to discuss and is certainly not limited to homosexuality. This is much different than teaching "gay people are a bad example". There are many upstanding gay people that lead impactful and positive lives. To say I think their "bad people" is a strawman.

Sorry. This makes no sense. you are saying you don't want your children involved in activities where homosexuality is "normalized". By saying that you are in effect saying exactly that "gay people are a bad example".

You can't have it both ways on this.

[XtremeJibber2001]

you're the one saying that gay people are sinners, and that gay people are a bad example for your children to see.

I don't want my children involved in school activities where homosexuality is celebrated or normalized, directly or indirectly. The same applies to many other topics I'd be happy to discuss and is certainly not limited to homosexuality. This is much different than teaching "gay people are a bad example". There are many upstanding gay people that lead impactful and positive lives. To say I think their "bad people" is a strawman.

Sorry. This makes no sense. you are saying you don't want your children involved in activities where homosexuality is "normalized". By saying that you are in effect saying exactly that "gay people are a bad example".

You can't have it both ways on this.

Maybe its semantics. If you're sinning, it's a bad example, it doesn't mean you're a bad person.

[gardi]

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Maybe its semantics. If you're sinning, it's a bad example, it doesn't mean you're a bad person.
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I've been biting my keyboard because I don't want to offend anyone, but here is where you lose me. You said that you don't consider being homosexual a sin, only acting upon it (which I assumed means sex, but perhaps I'm wrong). Since we are presumably not talking about gay porn here, why do you object to schools trying to tell kids that some of them are homosexual and that that's ok? You seem to agree and the reason they do this is not to foster homosexuality, but to try to reduce the pain, bullying and discrimination that those kids experience growing up. You seem like a reasonable and kind guy and I'm having trouble reconciling that with your apparent lack of empathy for those kids.

Even if some (or all) of them ultimately opt for what you would consider sin (so will most if not all of their straight counterparts and we don't preemptively torture them about it!), aren't you (as a Christian) supposed to love them? So why are you not ok with something that is supposed to help them grow happier? Unless you think that discrimination and making them feel abnormal is necessary to ensure that they don't 'act' on their homosexuality, but that seems pretty cruel and you don't seem like that kind of person.

[XtremeJibber2001]

I've been biting my keyboard because I don't want to offend anyone, but here is where you lose me. You said that you don't consider being homosexual a sin, only acting upon it (which I assumed means sex, but perhaps I'm wrong). Since we are presumably not talking about gay porn here, why do you object to schools trying to tell kids that some of them are homosexual and that that's ok? You seem to agree and the reason they do this is not to foster homosexuality, but to try to reduce the pain, bullying and discrimination that those kids experience growing up. You seem like a reasonable and kind guy and I'm having trouble reconciling that with your apparent lack of empathy for those kids.

I don't think it's the schools role to normalize sin. I think it's the schools role to enforce respecting others humanity. If a kid is homosexual then it is what is. Should they get special treatment as a result? I think they should be treated just like any other kid. Just like any other kid they should have resources available if they need help. Again like any other kid if they're bullied, kids that bully should be punished. If they're publicly displaying their affection, against school rules (which would apply to hetero couples as well), they should be punished just the same. Where I have an issue is schools actively engaging in the normalization of sinful behavior. This could be other topics too like playing inappropriate music, at school functions or on the school bus, which normalize things like adultery / promiscuity / drugs / etc.

Even if some (or all) of them ultimately opt for what you would consider sin (so will most if not all of their straight counterparts and we don't preemptively torture them about it!), aren't you (as a Christian) supposed to love them? So why are you not ok with something that is supposed to help them grow happier? Unless you think that discrimination and making them feel abnormal is necessary to ensure that they don't 'act' on their homosexuality, but that seems pretty cruel and you don't seem like that kind of person.

I don't know what would make you assume I'd preemptively torture anyone for their sin, which I would not. Maybe I misunderstood your point. My children sin and I love them (without any torture ).

I don't think we should discriminate against homosexuals in school. See my example above. My issue is where school go out of their way to celebrate and elevate homosexuality. In the same way I think it would be strange to celebrate my (or others) religious beliefs in school.

[gardi]

I don't think it's the schools role to normalize sin. I think it's the schools role to enforce respecting others humanity. If a kid is homosexual then it is what is. Should they get special treatment as a result? I think they should be treated just like any other kid. Just like any other kid they should have resources available if they need help. Again like any other kid if they're bullied, kids that bully should be punished. If they're publicly displaying their affection, against school rules (which would apply to hetero couples as well), they should be punished just the same. Where I have an issue is schools actively engaging in the normalization of sinful behavior. This could be other topics too like playing inappropriate music, at school functions or on the school bus, which normalize things like adultery / promiscuity / drugs / etc.

I don't disagree that schools should focus on teaching kids to respect others and that in an ideal world everybody should be treated the same. The sad truth however is that homosexual kids are systematically bullied and harassed for being gay while straight kids are not. In that context it seems reasonable to me to emphasize (both to them and to other kids) that there is nothing wrong with them and that it is wrong to discriminate against them. Imagine a world where christian kids were constantly bullied at school for being christian and suffered for it. Wouldn't you agree that in that case it would make sense for schools to remind all kids that different people have different religious beliefs and that we should respect everybody? I think that's different from celebrating one religion over another, no?

As to sin the problem is that we would never agree on what is sinful (not just the two of us, I mean in general) and therefore that should probably stay out of school. I understand that schools have to maintain a delicate balance and be neutral and I'm not saying that there are no inappropriate things in school. But I have a hard time understanding the problem with activities that simply seek to "normalize" what I think we all agree is normal!

I don't know what would make you assume I'd preemptively torture anyone for their sin, which I would not. Maybe I misunderstood your point. My children sin and I love them (without any torture ).

I don't think we should discriminate against homosexuals in school. See my example above. My issue is where school go out of their way to celebrate and elevate homosexuality. In the same way I think it would be strange to celebrate my (or others) religious beliefs in school.

Sorry that wasn't clear and totally not what I meant (altough on second thought your statement implies that you would be ok torturing them afterwards ). I think what I was trying to point out is that the suffering by those kids is real and that we should all share the common goal of making sure that all kids feel equally human and accepted. It seems like we agree on that. After all we can always start hating each other as adults

[boston_e]

It is amazing that you can't see how you are trying to walk both sides of the fence on this. I don't even know where to begin, but I'll try.

I don't think it's the schools role to normalize sin. I think it's the schools role to enforce respecting others humanity. If a kid is homosexual then it is what is. Should they get special treatment as a result? I think they should be treated just like any other kid.

What type of special treatment are you talking about here? Being allowed to live without being told they are sinners? Without being bullied or discriminated against? It seems that simply being treated like any other non-gay kid is exactly what are you are advocating against.

Just like any other kid they should have resources available if they need help.

They would be a lot less likely to need help if people like you were not promoting the idea that is somehow wrong to be gay.

Again like any other kid if they're bullied, kids that bully should be punished.

Well, honestly, how can you not see that you are effectively bullying them by telling them they are sinners and also effectively promoting a platform and reason for other kids to bully them.

If they're publicly displaying their affection, against school rules (which would apply to hetero couples as well), they should be punished just the same.

Honestly, how much public display of affection are you really envisioning happening in schools. And odd how you throw hetero couples in as an afterthought. Do you somehow thing gay people have an agenda to promote they are gay with public displays of affection in schools?

Where I have an issue is schools actively engaging in the normalization of sinful behavior. This could be other topics too like playing inappropriate music, at school functions or on the school bus, which normalize things like adultery / promiscuity / drugs / etc.

By normalizing, you mean "treating them the same as anyone else" and not telling them they are sinners?

I don't know what would make you assume I'd preemptively torture anyone for their sin, which I would not. Maybe I misunderstood your point. My children sin and I love them (without any torture ).

How can you not recognize that telling a gay kid he is a sinner isn't a form of torture. You are torturing them simply by promoting this agenda.

I don't think we should discriminate against homosexuals in school. See my example above. My issue is where school go out of their way to celebrate and elevate homosexuality. In the same way I think it would be strange to celebrate my (or others) religious beliefs in school.

you don't think we should discriminate agains gays in school. Should a gay kid be allowed to bring a same sex date to prom? Or is that "celebrating" homosexuality?

[deadheadskier]

I've been biting my keyboard because I don't want to offend anyone, but here is where you lose me. You said that you don't consider being homosexual a sin, only acting upon it (which I assumed means sex, but perhaps I'm wrong). Since we are presumably not talking about gay porn here, why do you object to schools trying to tell kids that some of them are homosexual and that that's ok? You seem to agree and the reason they do this is not to foster homosexuality, but to try to reduce the pain, bullying and discrimination that those kids experience growing up. You seem like a reasonable and kind guy and I'm having trouble reconciling that with your apparent lack of empathy for those kids.

I don't think it's the schools role to normalize sin. I think it's the schools role to enforce respecting others humanity. If a kid is homosexual then it is what is. Should they get special treatment as a result? I think they should be treated just like any other kid. Just like any other kid they should have resources available if they need help. Again like any other kid if they're bullied, kids that bully should be punished. If they're publicly displaying their affection, against school rules (which would apply to hetero couples as well), they should be punished just the same. Where I have an issue is schools actively engaging in the normalization of sinful behavior. This could be other topics too like playing inappropriate music, at school functions or on the school bus, which normalize things like adultery / promiscuity / drugs / etc.

Even if some (or all) of them ultimately opt for what you would consider sin (so will most if not all of their straight counterparts and we don't preemptively torture them about it!), aren't you (as a Christian) supposed to love them? So why are you not ok with something that is supposed to help them grow happier? Unless you think that discrimination and making them feel abnormal is necessary to ensure that they don't 'act' on their homosexuality, but that seems pretty cruel and you don't seem like that kind of person.

I don't know what would make you assume I'd preemptively torture anyone for their sin, which I would not. Maybe I misunderstood your point. My children sin and I love them (without any torture ).

I don't think we should discriminate against homosexuals in school. See my example above. My issue is where school go out of their way to celebrate and elevate homosexuality. In the same way I think it would be strange to celebrate my (or others) religious beliefs in school.

For one, unless you specifically send your kids to a Christian School, your desires for the curriculum to follow your religious beliefs are a mute point.

For two, in what ways are public schools elevating homosexuality? I don't think the goal of any public school is to elevate it, they just want gay students to feel welcomed and supported as who they are just the same as straight students.

[Bubba]

I have to go back to the conclusion reached in Brown v Board of Ed of Topeka where the court wrote “Separate but equal is inherently unequal”. While you’re not suggesting separation, of course, the simple designation of one group as sinners because of who they are is inherently a designation of inequality for that group. No?

[XtremeJibber2001]

I don't disagree that schools should focus on teaching kids to respect others and that in an ideal world everybody should be treated the same. The sad truth however is that homosexual kids are systematically bullied and harassed for being gay while straight kids are not. In that context it seems reasonable to me to emphasize (both to them and to other kids) that there is nothing wrong with them and that it is wrong to discriminate against them. Imagine a world where christian kids were constantly bullied at school for being christian and suffered for it. Wouldn't you agree that in that case it would make sense for schools to remind all kids that different people have different religious beliefs and that we should respect everybody? I think that's different from celebrating one religion over another, no?

I don't take issue with what you're proposing, but what you're proposing isn't celebrating or normalizing either. This is pretty close to how my kids school operates today, but it's moving in a more progressive direction.

I think what I was trying to point out is that the suffering by those kids is real and that we should all share the common goal of making sure that all kids feel equally human and accepted. It seems like we agree on that. After all we can always start hating each other as adults

I don't want anyone to suffer and if I had a significant issue I would just pull my kids from the school. Ideally, it would never come to that.

What type of special treatment are you talking about here? Being allowed to live without being told they are sinners? Without being bullied or discriminated against? It seems that simply being treated like any other non-gay kid is exactly what are you are advocating against.

When I was in elementary school I had access to school counselors. Wouldn't all elementary kids have access to this if they need help, whether they were homosexual or not? Isn't that in the spirit of equality?

They would be a lot less likely to need help if people like you were not promoting the idea that is somehow wrong to be gay.

I don't think it should be promoted ... I said it shouldn't be celebrated and normalized.

Well, honestly, how can you not see that you are effectively bullying them by telling them they are sinners and also effectively promoting a platform and reason for other kids to bully them.

I haven't promoted anyone tell other they're sinners. In fact, Christians are advised to do the opposite ... doesn't mean we are to surround ourselves with sin.

Honestly, how much public display of affection are you really envisioning happening in schools. And odd how you throw hetero couples in as an afterthought. Do you somehow thing gay people have an agenda to promote they are gay with public displays of affection in schools?

I think school's are more reluctant to punish homosexual displays of affection on school grounds out of fear of being called a homophobe. There are some examples of this in the thread.

By normalizing, you mean "treating them the same as anyone else" and not telling them they are sinners?

You're right. Treating them the same as anyone else. No celebrating their sin, no telling them about their sin, no special LGBT days, no gay pride celebration, no rainbow week, etc.

How can you not recognize that telling a gay kid he is a sinner isn't a form of torture. You are torturing them simply by promoting this agenda.

You're repeating this notion, which makes me think I said something that makes you believe I've said this. I haven't advocated for telling kids anything. If I had an issue I'd talk to the school administrator ... I wouldn't enable my children to be involved or the other child/children in question.

You don't think we should discriminate agains gays in school. Should a gay kid be allowed to bring a same sex date to prom? Or is that "celebrating" homosexuality?

This thread has gone on for a while so I'm starting to repeat myself This discussion started about my issues with Elementary schools. I don't have strong issues with High School level ... I don't think they should be celebrating / normalize there either, but would have less concern because my children would be adults. So no issue with two gay kids going to prom.

For one, unless you specifically send your kids to a Christian School, your desires for the curriculum to follow your religious beliefs are a mute point.

You may have misread what I wrote. I said it would be strange to celebrate my religion in school.

For two, in what ways are public schools elevating homosexuality? I don't think the goal of any public school is to elevate it, they just want gay students to feel welcomed and supported as who they are just the same as straight students.

If you're permitting school wide gay pride and LGBT days/weeks/month, you're elevating and celebrating it. Just an example for K-12: https://www.weteachnyc.org/resources/co ... ide-month/

I have to go back to the conclusion reached in Brown v Board of Ed of Topeka where the court wrote “Separate but equal is inherently unequal”. While you’re not suggesting separation, of course, the simple designation of one group as sinners because of who they are is inherently a designation of inequality for that group. No?

Except that we're all sinners Bubba so we're all inherently equal. The difference is some chose to repent and turn away and other chose to live habitually in sin.

I know I opened this can of worms so I felt obligated to answer any questions raised, especially since most were cordial. However, it consumes a lot of my time to respond to everyone and we're getting to the point where we're going in circles. I appreciate everyone's perspectives and you've asked a lot of things to think about. This will be my last response on this topic.

[asher2789]

you're the one saying that gay people are sinners, and that gay people are a bad example for your children to see.

I don't want my children involved in school activities where homosexuality is celebrated or normalized, directly or indirectly. The same applies to many other topics I'd be happy to discuss and is certainly not limited to homosexuality. This is much different than teaching "gay people are a bad example". There are many upstanding gay people that lead impactful and positive lives. To say I think their "bad people" is a strawman.

im not having it, and ill be as nasty as i want to be in not having it. lets see: you write politely, yet your content is incredibly nasty; i write nasty, yet my content is ultimately to further equality and protect minority rights. i just dont have the patience to give you the respect you havent earned. when you stop seeing gays as a negative, then you can have my respect.

I don't write politely. I am polite. How I post here is no different than how I would talk to you face to face. My guess is you would not talk like this to my face, but maybe I'm wrong. From your posts here it seems you want equality only for people/views that comport with your own, otherwise you give yourself a license to hate. I understand why you think you have a license to hate me due to my comments on homosexuality, even if I disagree with your justification.

Your license to hate isn't just limited to my views on homosexuality or minorities, you give yourself license to hate those with different views than your own. Just some examples:

ugh. i hate most people in killington and those who come here. over privileged white boomer trump supporters who think being inconvenienced is an attack on their civil rights. nearly all of you. if you wanna ski so f*** bad, hike up like the locals do and dont post about it.

why SHOULDN'T voting be convenient? what the f*** is wrong with you people with this insane mindset of curtailing voting? you really must hate people different than you and demand to win by any means necessary. disgusting. this election really brought out the fake patriots...

god you breeders are something else. so. f***. dumb. and hateful. the "what about the children" pearl clutching is what gets me the most, like you dont give a flying f*** about the health and welfare of gay kids or you wouldnt be a homophobic asshole.

Equality starts in your own heart.

my assertion - that religion is in steep decline in western civilization - is entirely with merit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_o ... _countries

your quote doesnt change that, since the south america, africa, and asia are all making up for the declines in europe and north america.

You're correct. I overlooked the word 'western' in your post.

you don't want to "normalize" homosexuality yet you pretend that you're an enlightened non-homophobe.

I really can't with you. you ignore the content of my message and focus on the fact that i curse. pearl clutching, much? and yeah, i hate boomers. they are selfish people who wrecked the economy and the earth for the following generations, particularly mine and those following mine, with their insatiable greed. and now with COVID they wont even wear a f*** mask to save themselves so yet again its my generation and the ones following mine bearing the economic and social brunt of this. and voting should be convenient and we should have full participation of those eligible to vote. to curtail that means there IS something f*** wrong with you and that you're a fake patriot.

just like youre a fake christian. oh so "polite" but homosexuals are bad people if they're in homosexual relationships. despicable and deplorable.

[boston_e]

I know I opened this can of worms so I felt obligated to answer any questions raised, especially since most were cordial. However, it consumes a lot of my time to respond to everyone and we're getting to the point where we're going in circles. I appreciate everyone's perspectives and you've asked a lot of things to think about. This will be my last response on this topic.

I agree that we have gone in circles here. A few things to think about... polite and cordial is not the same as kind. I believe you will be on the wrong side of history here and the wrong side of judgement (if there is such a thing once we all pass and move to the other side). Love is love and a gay couple should be able to be in a loving relationship without judgment or insinuation that somehow they are doing something wrong.

[Bubba]

I know I opened this can of worms so I felt obligated to answer any questions raised, especially since most were cordial. However, it consumes a lot of my time to respond to everyone and we're getting to the point where we're going in circles. I appreciate everyone's perspectives and you've asked a lot of things to think about. This will be my last response on this topic.

Probably a good thing to call it quits as you've about twisted yourself into a pretzel with your repeated responses and justifications. I recognize that in matters of faith there is no argument, but there should be logic and consistency.

[Bubba]

you don't want to "normalize" homosexuality yet you pretend that you're an enlightened non-homophobe.

I really can't with you. you ignore the content of my message and focus on the fact that i curse. pearl clutching, much? and yeah, i hate boomers. they are selfish people who wrecked the economy and the earth for the following generations, particularly mine and those following mine, with their insatiable greed. and now with COVID they wont even wear a f*** mask to save themselves so yet again its my generation and the ones following mine bearing the economic and social brunt of this. and voting should be convenient and we should have full participation of those eligible to vote. to curtail that means there IS something f*** wrong with you and that you're a fake patriot.

just like youre a fake christian. oh so "polite" but homosexuals are bad people if they're in homosexual relationships. despicable and deplorable.

So far, you hate those you perceive as homophobes, "breeders" and boomers and you express anger pretty constantly in your posts. Some of your anger is clearly justifiable based upon what you say is your life experience. I can't argue with that nor would I try. Your hatred of boomers, however, is pretty much misplaced and ill thought out. In fact, your generalization of boomers is ignorant, to say the least.

It's in large part because of the baby boom generation that you, as a gay person, can live openly as you do and marry the partner of your choice. Each generation passes on a changed world to its progeny. No generation is perfect, nor does it leave a perfect world (or anything close to it) in its wake. The so-called "greatest generation" of the Great Depression and World War II won the war against Fascism, set up the means to resist Soviet domination of Europe, yet led us into an ill conceived war in Vietnam and left racist policies in place in this country even as they moved us ahead toward the end of Jim Crow laws. It was the baby boom generation that continued that fight for equal rights for minorities, women, gays and others. So, please stop assigning blame for one generation not leaving the next a perfect or near perfect legacy. A time will come when your generation is passing into history and younger generations will look back at yours, and it probably won't be a fond remembrance.

As for your anger, we all have things to be angry about and we all have to deal with negative things that happened to us in our past. Yours may be more extreme but most of us find a way to deal with it, some with professional assistance. Just a thought.

[asher2789]

you don't want to "normalize" homosexuality yet you pretend that you're an enlightened non-homophobe.

I really can't with you. you ignore the content of my message and focus on the fact that i curse. pearl clutching, much? and yeah, i hate boomers. they are selfish people who wrecked the economy and the earth for the following generations, particularly mine and those following mine, with their insatiable greed. and now with COVID they wont even wear a f*** mask to save themselves so yet again its my generation and the ones following mine bearing the economic and social brunt of this. and voting should be convenient and we should have full participation of those eligible to vote. to curtail that means there IS something f*** wrong with you and that you're a fake patriot.

just like youre a fake christian. oh so "polite" but homosexuals are bad people if they're in homosexual relationships. despicable and deplorable.

So far, you hate those you perceive as homophobes, "breeders" and boomers and you express anger pretty constantly in your posts. Some of your anger is clearly justifiable based upon what you say is your life experience. I can't argue with that nor would I try. Your hatred of boomers, however, is pretty much misplaced and ill thought out. In fact, your generalization of boomers is ignorant, to say the least.

It's in large part because of the baby boom generation that you, as a gay person, can live openly as you do and marry the partner of your choice. Each generation passes on a changed world to its progeny. No generation is perfect, nor does it leave a perfect world (or anything close to it) in its wake. The so-called "greatest generation" of the Great Depression and World War II won the war against Fascism, set up the means to resist Soviet domination of Europe, yet led us into an ill conceived war in Vietnam and left racist policies in place in this country even as they moved us ahead toward the end of Jim Crow laws. It was the baby boom generation that continued that fight for equal rights for minorities, women, gays and others. So, please stop assigning blame for one generation not leaving the next a perfect or near perfect legacy. A time will come when your generation is passing into history and younger generations will look back at yours, and it probably won't be a fond remembrance.

As for your anger, we all have things to be angry about and we all have to deal with negative things that happened to us in our past. Yours may be more extreme but most of us find a way to deal with it, some with professional assistance. Just a thought.

boomers wrecked the economy with their selfish greed, that is well established fact at this point. every single piece of research about generational economic standing points to this loud and clear - that boomers are surprised that following generations are unkind to them is hilarious. they have hurt feelings and we are saddled with debt, wages have been stagnant since the 1970s despite massive increases in productivity, wealth inequality is the greatest its been in the modern era since theyve been keeping track, younger generations can't afford to buy housing thus being a permanent exploited renter class and have to work multiple jobs just to put food on the table. add insult to injury and boomers tell us they put themselves through college on minimum wage, why can't we?! or get a good job - when everything is contract, temp, part time, no benefits, per diem, etc. pick yourself up by your own bootstraps is the boomer motto yet they're the most subsidized and pampered generation in history. it wouldn't be nearly half as bad if they at least had the decency not to gaslight generations that came after them. if it's not the boomers fault - who are far more over represented in politics than any other demographic - who's is it? millennials/gen z who couldn't vote nor be elected to office when the decisions that affected their generation were made? let's blame them, that's a common solution! everything is the fault of whiny liberal millennial/gen z snowflakes and their need for safe spaces! /s

the anger is righteous and growing by the day and i'm sorry you're made uncomfortable by it.

boomers were the largest generation to vote for the politics of racial dog whistling, anti-progressive causes and were the largest group of trump voters. ironic it is their parents who fought the fascism they are now home brewing in this country with their allergy to actual facts and reason rather than their proclivity for a fact free universe full of fear of the "other". they voted for a tyrant and his braindead party who are now 60 lawsuits and counting in their baseless and seditious overthrow of american democracy. the contempt i have for people (read: largely boomers) who support this anti-american madness can't even be put into words.

that there were a few good boomers who fought for civil rights does not even remotely counter the "silent majority" of mostly boomers STILL trying to subvert those rights.

2016 voters (trump carried 51% of voters 50-64 and 53% over 65):
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... ed-voters/

2020 voters (trump carried 50% of voters 45-64 and 52% over 65):
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ident.html

i'm not buying the theory that boomers are unfairly misaligned. they aren't.