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SnoBrdr wrote:Harper is NOT a good position player.

Last year his defensive WAR was MINUS 27, according to ESPN.
I suggest double checking that stat. I'm showing -3.2 dWAR and 1.3 WAR overall ... his worst defensive year.

Anyway, Harper is not a BAD position player, he's average and always has been. In 2018, 275 putouts out of 285 were 'routine' and just two of the routine he erred. The other 10 putouts were remove opportunities, but he's never been that guy. He's kind of like Mike Trout when it comes to fielding, but obviously lacks the offensive power of Trout. Hey, maybe Trout will come to Philly in two years ...
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
SnoBrdr wrote:Harper is NOT a good position player.

Last year his defensive WAR was MINUS 27, according to ESPN.
I suggest double checking that stat. I'm showing -3.2 dWAR and 1.3 WAR overall ... his worst defensive year.

Anyway, Harper is not a BAD position player, he's average and always has been. In 2018, 275 putouts out of 285 were 'routine' and just two of the routine he erred. The other 10 putouts were remove opportunities, but he's never been that guy. He's kind of like Mike Trout when it comes to fielding, but obviously lacks the offensive power of Trout. Hey, maybe Trout will come to Philly in two years ...
He isnt a liability as long as you keep him out of center, nats played him in center too much and he is not a center fielder.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
SnoBrdr wrote:Harper is NOT a good position player.

Last year his defensive WAR was MINUS 27, according to ESPN.
I suggest double checking that stat. I'm showing -3.2 dWAR and 1.3 WAR overall ... his worst defensive year.

Anyway, Harper is not a BAD position player, he's average and always has been. In 2018, 275 putouts out of 285 were 'routine' and just two of the routine he erred. The other 10 putouts were remove opportunities, but he's never been that guy. He's kind of like Mike Trout when it comes to fielding, but obviously lacks the offensive power of Trout. Hey, maybe Trout will come to Philly in two years ...
You are confusing the 2.

That stat was based solely on his defensive skills or lack of.

They showed at least a 30 clip of all sorts of errors he made last year.
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daytripper wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
SnoBrdr wrote:Harper is NOT a good position player.

Last year his defensive WAR was MINUS 27, according to ESPN.
I suggest double checking that stat. I'm showing -3.2 dWAR and 1.3 WAR overall ... his worst defensive year.

Anyway, Harper is not a BAD position player, he's average and always has been. In 2018, 275 putouts out of 285 were 'routine' and just two of the routine he erred. The other 10 putouts were remove opportunities, but he's never been that guy. He's kind of like Mike Trout when it comes to fielding, but obviously lacks the offensive power of Trout. Hey, maybe Trout will come to Philly in two years ...
He isnt a liability as long as you keep him out of center, nats played him in center too much and he is not a center fielder.
Makes most sense to put him in right, but still TBD.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
SnoBrdr wrote:Harper is NOT a good position player.

Last year his defensive WAR was MINUS 27, according to ESPN.
I suggest double checking that stat. I'm showing -3.2 dWAR and 1.3 WAR overall ... his worst defensive year.

Anyway, Harper is not a BAD position player, he's average and always has been. In 2018, 275 putouts out of 285 were 'routine' and just two of the routine he erred. The other 10 putouts were remove opportunities, but he's never been that guy. He's kind of like Mike Trout when it comes to fielding, but obviously lacks the offensive power of Trout. Hey, maybe Trout will come to Philly in two years ...
You are confusing the 2.

That stat was based solely on his defensive skills or lack of.

They showed at least a 30 clip of all sorts of errors he made last year.
Maybe I am indeed confused ... can you link to where you saw defensive WAR (dWAR) as -27? dWAR is -3.2 per BR https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... br03.shtml
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It was on SportsCenter this AM.
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SnoBrdr wrote:It was on SportsCenter this AM.
They probably meant his career WAR, which is 27? Just a guess ... -27 dWAR would be crazy.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
SnoBrdr wrote:It was on SportsCenter this AM.
They probably meant his career WAR, which is 27? Just a guess ... -27 dWAR would be crazy.
No, they clearly said his defensive War is a MINUS 27.

Like in hockey.

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/11/2 ... cy-defense

Not ESPN but the same.

I was wrong too, it's only a MINUS 26.
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/br ... ers-report

Guess he has no faith in his ability to keep up even the fair stats he has been putting up.
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SnoBrdr wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
SnoBrdr wrote:It was on SportsCenter this AM.
They probably meant his career WAR, which is 27? Just a guess ... -27 dWAR would be crazy.
No, they clearly said his defensive War is a MINUS 27.

Like in hockey.

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/11/2 ... cy-defense

Not ESPN but the same.

I was wrong too, it's only a MINUS 26.
Ah, thanks. They're using DRS, not dWAR, for the -27. This is what I was talking about above with putouts. The minutiae aside, I agree he's only an average fielder. I don't expect that to change, but if his offensive stats slip then Phillies will have a problem.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
SnoBrdr wrote:
XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
SnoBrdr wrote:It was on SportsCenter this AM.
They probably meant his career WAR, which is 27? Just a guess ... -27 dWAR would be crazy.
No, they clearly said his defensive War is a MINUS 27.

Like in hockey.

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/11/2 ... cy-defense

Not ESPN but the same.

I was wrong too, it's only a MINUS 26.
Ah, thanks. They're using DRS, not dWAR, for the -27. This is what I was talking about above with putouts. The minutiae aside, I agree he's only an average fielder. I don't expect that to change, but if his offensive stats slip then Phillies will have a problem.
If he's worth that kinda $$$ and he's not, what will Trout and Mookie expect?
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SnoBrdr wrote:If he's worth that kinda $$$ and he's not, what will Trout and Mookie expect?
More? I expect there to be another stike sometime soon ... these type of contracts can't persist.
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XtremeJibber2001 wrote:
SnoBrdr wrote:If he's worth that kinda $$$ and he's not, what will Trout and Mookie expect?
More? I expect there to be another stike sometime soon ... these type of contracts can't persist.
Why not?

Look at the NBA and the contracts they have been giving out.
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Why is the r*in out from last night Red Sox vs. Yanks postponed until August. Why don't they make it up this weekend :?:

It can't be about pennant races :?:
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freeski wrote:Why is the r*in out from last night Red Sox vs. Yanks postponed until August. Why don't they make it up this weekend :?:

It can't be about pennant races :?:
Was a fake rainout.

EE didn't have anyone to throw last night so they faked the rainout.
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SnoBrdr wrote:
freeski wrote:Why is the r*in out from last night Red Sox vs. Yanks postponed until August. Why don't they make it up this weekend :?:

It can't be about pennant races :?:
Was a fake rainout.

EE didn't have anyone to throw last night so they faked the rainout.
The Sox are going to get their BUTTS kicked.
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