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Kpdemello wrote:Sadly, these prison suicide cases are really not that uncommon. They just rarely get reported on because most of the time people don't care about convicted criminals. Because of that, I tend to believe the conspiracy theories are a lot of nonsense unless you come up with some real evidence saying otherwise.

Here's an article on prison suicides in Massachusetts which says there were 42 suicides in the five-year period ending in 2017.
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yep you wholeheartedly gobbled up the russia narrative but the most high profile prisoner in recent history who was supposed to be on suicide watch after a recent suicide attempt is able to kill himself just before he testifies against the clintons and other high profile individuals and yer sure its just business as usual...

Former MCC Inmate Says Epstein Suicide Was 'Impossible'
A former inmate at lower Manhattan's Metropolitan Correctional Center who spent several months in the prison's notorious 9 South special housing unit for high-profile prisoners told the New York Post that it would have been 'impossible' for millionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein to have killed himself.

The anonymous inmate says that when a prisoner is on suicide watch, they are placed in a straight jacket so that "a person cannot be injurious to themselves."

That said, Epstein was reportedly taken off suicide watch despite having been found nearly unconscious on the floor of his prison cell three weeks ago with injuries to his neck. Moreover, Reuters has reported that two jail guards which were required to check on all prisoners every 30 minutes (every 15 minutes for suicide watch) failed to follow protocol the night Epstein died.

That said, according to the former inmate, "They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper," and that there's nothing hard or metal provided.
"Heads Must Roll": Outrage Grows Over Epstein's Mysterious Suicide
According to the New York Post, "Epstein had inexplicably been taken off suicide watch despite an incident three weeks ago when he was found sprawled on the floor of his cell, nearly unconscious, and with injuries to his neck," adding "He was being housed in the jail’s high-security Special Housing Unit, in which high-profile or dangerous detainees are kept separate from the general population."

At MCC, two jail guards are required to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes — but overnight, that procedure was not followed, a source told Reuters. Prisoners on suicide watch get checked every 15 minutes.

Former US Attorney Preet Bharara tweeted that he was “dumbfounded” by Epstein’s death.

“There should be — and almost certainly is — video of Epstein’s suicide at MCC,” he said. “One hopes it is complete, conclusive, and secured.” -New York Post

Epstein's death comes less than a day after the release of a trove of documents naming high-profile individuals named in a 2015 lawsuit brought by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre against Epstein's 'Madam' - Ghislaine Maxwell, who says Maxwell helped Epstein traffic herself and other underage girls to sex parties at the billionaire pedophile's many residences.

Guiffre claims in the filing that she was forced to sleep with several high-profile individuals, including Britain's Prince Andrew, former Sen. George Mitchell (D-ME), Democratic New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, longtime MIT professor Marvin Minsky, and investment banker Glenn Dubin. All have denied the accusations.

"Heads must roll," said Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse (R), a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee in a blistering Saturday letter to AG Barr. "Every single person in the Justice Department — from your Main Justice headquarters staff all the way to the night-shift jailer — knew that this man was a suicide risk, and that his dark secrets couldn’t be allowed to die with him," Sasse added.

There’s no question Epstein should have been under continual watch, said Cameron Lindsay, a former warden who ran three federal jails and who called the death a “shocking failure.”

“Unequivocally, he should have been on active suicide watch and therefore under direct and constant supervision,” Lindsay said.

“It’s embarrassing,” one federal law-enforcement source told The Post of Epstein.

“This is the highest-profile inmate in that facility, and considering that he may have attempted suicide two weeks ago — how could they let this happen?”

Mayor de Blasio tweeted, “Some of wealthiest people in the world committed a horrible crime. If they think for a second that they got away with it because Jeffrey Epstein is dead, they’re dead WRONG.” -New York Post

And now we wait for the official story...

Update: The FBI is opening an investigation into Epstein's death according to media reports.
Jail protocols for checking on Jeffrey Epstein were not followed in hours before he died by suicide: Sources
Jail protocols requiring routine checks on the well-being of accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein appear to have not been followed in the hours before the millionaire was found hanging in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City, sources told ABC News on Sunday.

As an inmate in the Special Housing Unit at MCC, Epstein should have been checked on by a correctional officer every 30 minutes, according to Bureau of Prison protocols. But sources told ABC News that protocol was not followed prior to Epstein’s death by suicide.
There’s no video of Jeffrey Epstein’s apparent suicide: sources
There’s no surveillance video of the incident during which Jeffrey Epstein apparently hanged himself in a federal lockup in Lower Manhattan, law-enforcement officials told The Post on Sunday.

Although there are cameras in the 9 South wing where the convicted pedophile was being held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, they are trained on the areas outside the cells and not inside, according to sources familiar with the setup there.

Pols who attended Sunday’s annual Dominican Day Parade in Manhattan demanded answers to the many questions surrounding Epstein’s Saturday morning death, which is being investigated by the FBI and the Justice Department.

“Something doesn’t smell right – and it’s not his dead body,” Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams said.

Adams noted the July 23 incident in which the multimillionaire financier was found nearly unconscious in his cell with marks on his neck, as well as the blockbuster court papers that were released on Friday and contained the names of other men – including former Maine Sen. George Mitchell and ex-New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson – who allegedly slept with an Epstein teenage “sex slave.”

“Something is really troubling about that and I think it needs to be investigated extremely and very thoroughly to make sure there wasn’t any foul play,” Adams said.

New York Attorney General Letitia James, who said she’s toured the MCC, said she found it “very difficult to understand how something like this could have happened.”

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Jeffrey Epstein autopsy results expected to be released Sunday afternoon
“My understanding is that he should have been on suicide watch and the people on suicide watch are placed in a type of jumpsuit that wouldn’t allow them to hurt themselves or others,” she said.

Federal prison officials violated normal procedures by leaving Epstein, 66, alone without a cellmate and not checking on him every 30 minutes the night before he was found, according to a report Sunday.

In addition, both of the guards overseeing the unit were working overtime, with one on his fifth straight day of extra hours and the other forced to remain on duty, The New York Times said.

Bob Hood, a former chief of internal affairs for the Bureau of Prisons, told the Times that it was “beyond me” why Epstein was taken off a 24-hour suicide watch following the July 23 incident, especially given the steady stream of humiliating news reports about him.

“A man is dead. The Bureau of Prisons dropped the ball. Period,” Hood said.
yeah nothing suspicious at all :roll: ...
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I know we've come to expect this sort of thing from our orange President, but this is still so ridiculous:
Donald Trump - currently on holiday at his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey - has again stoked controversy by retweeting unfounded conspiracy theories about the apparent suicide of billionaire paedophile Jeffrey Epstein in a New York jail cell on Saturday.

Democratic 2020 contenders Beto O'Rourke and Cory Booker have led the condemnation of the president, accusing him of seeking to divert attention from the bad press he suffered in the aftermath of the El Paso and Dayton mass shootings by giving oxygen to unfounded rumours linking Epstein, a former friend of Mr Trump himself, to his precursor in the White House, Bill Clinton.
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Kpdemello wrote:I know we've come to expect this sort of thing from our orange President, but this is still so ridiculous:
Donald Trump - currently on holiday at his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey - has again stoked controversy by retweeting unfounded conspiracy theories about the apparent suicide of billionaire paedophile Jeffrey Epstein in a New York jail cell on Saturday.

Democratic 2020 contenders Beto O'Rourke and Cory Booker have led the condemnation of the president, accusing him of seeking to divert attention from the bad press he suffered in the aftermath of the El Paso and Dayton mass shootings by giving oxygen to unfounded rumours linking Epstein, a former friend of Mr Trump himself, to his precursor in the White House, Bill Clinton.
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your level of ignorance is astounding...
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The following are 7 unanswered questions about Jeffrey Epstein’s death that the mainstream media needs to be talking about…

#1 Why are the autopsy results being delayed? According to NBC News, the New York City medical examiner’s office is requesting “more information” before determining the cause of Epstein’s death…

The New York City medical examiner’s office said Sunday that it had completed an autopsy of the financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein but that it needed more information before determining the cause of death.

#2 What will the cameras show? By now most people have heard that there were no cameras filming what was going on inside Epstein’s cell, but there were cameras filming the doors of each cell…

The news of the delay to the autopsy results comes after a source told the New York Post there was no video of the moment he died in his jail cell at Metropolitan Correctional Center.

Cameras are said to film the doors to each cell which would show anyone who entered or exited, but they do not point inside.

So if someone paid a “visit” to Epstein, there should be video evidence of it.

#3 Why was Jeffrey Epstein taken off suicide watch? After Epstein attempted to “kill himself” the first time, he was put on suicide watch, but only for a short period. The following comes from CNN…

No. Epstein was temporarily placed on a suicide watch after he was found in his jail cell July 23 with marks on his neck, a law enforcement source and a source familiar with the incident told CNN at the time.

It wasn’t clear whether those injuries, which were not serious, were self-inflicted or the result of an assault, the sources said. Epstein told authorities he had been beaten up and called a child predator, they said.

#4 Why did the guards break prison rules and not check on him every 30 minutes? Apparently these guards had been working a lot of overtime, but that is no excuse for breaking prison rules…

Epstein should have been checked on by guards in his cell every 30 minutes, but that didn’t happen the night before his apparent suicide, a law enforcement official told the Times.

The Times spoke to the official on the condition of anonymity. The Associated Press has not independently confirmed the information.

A law enforcement source also said he was alone in his cell Saturday night after his cellmate was transferred. An official with knowledge of the investigation told the Times that the Justice Department was told Epstein would have a cellmate and be monitored by a guard every 30 minutes.

#5 Why would Jeffrey Epstein try to kill himself if he was adjusting so well to prison life? According to a “prison insider” interviewed by the Daily Mail, Epstein “seemed to be in good spirits” just before his life ended…

The insider, who had seen the disgraced financier on several occasions during his incarceration at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, also claims that the normally reserved Epstein seemed to be in good spirits.

‘There was no indication that he might try to take his own life,’ the source told DailyMail.com.

‘From what I saw, he was finally starting to adjust to prison. I think he was comforted by the rigidity of his new life.’

#6 Why did Jeffrey Epstein tell guards that someone was trying to kill him? It has been reported by the mainstream media that Epstein previously tried to kill himself, but apparently that report was being directly contradicted by Epstein himself. Of course it is entirely possible that Epstein was lying, but according to multiple reports he claimed that someone had tried to kill him…

The 66-year-old convicted sex offender reportedly told guards and fellow inmates he believed someone was trying to kill him.

The multimillionaire, who was being held on sex trafficking charges at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, had previously been on suicide watch.

#7 How could Epstein kill himself in a prison where the cells had been specifically designed to prevent that from happening? I shared this quote in another article that I just posted, but it is deeply relevant to this article as well. According to a former inmate of the Metropolitan Correction Center in lower Manhattan that was just interviewed by the New York Post, there is no way that Epstein would have been able to hang himself…

There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.

Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.

You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.

Everything in these cells was designed to keep hanging deaths from happening, but that is not the only way that prisoners kill themselves.

According to a study cited by the Los Angeles Times, over 90 percent of all prison suicides are hangings, and drug overdoses are the second most common cause…

According to news reports, Epstein was not on suicide watch when he died, but even if he had been the outcome might have been the same. A study by the U.S. Marshal Service found that about 8% of suicides in correctional facilities occurred even though an inmate was on suicide watch. According to the report, the vast majority of suicides (more than 90%) are hangings, with the second most common being drug overdoses.

So is it possible that Epstein could have come up with a way to kill himself?

Yes, although it wouldn’t have been easy. Epstein was certainly a miserable human being, and without anything positive to live for, he probably imagined that he would rot away in a prison cell for the rest of his life.

In the end, it definitely would not be a surprise if someone in his position chose the cowardly route of committing suicide.

But without a doubt, something doesn’t smell right here.

There were reports that Epstein was willing to start testifying against his rich and powerful friends, but now that will never happen.

It is clear that there are certain people that have greatly benefited from his death, and in many of those cases it appears that justice will probably never be served.
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Well put:
"The Epstein case was hypercharged from the get-go," one current FBI agent, who requested anonymity to freely discuss Trump's actions, told INSIDER. "The last thing investigators need is the president of the United States fanning the flames with these bulls--- theories that have no basis in reality."

Frank Montoya, Jr., a recently retired FBI special agent, characterized Trump's actions as "crazy talk coming from no less than the President of the United States."

"This would be a bad TV melodrama if it weren't real," he added. "The world is watching. Trump may be successfully fooling a third of America with his sociopathic antics, but everyone else ... sees how naked the Emperor is, and they are exploiting the advantage."
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Kpdemello wrote:Well put:
"The Epstein case was hypercharged from the get-go," one current FBI agent, who requested anonymity to freely discuss Trump's actions, told INSIDER. "The last thing investigators need is the president of the United States fanning the flames with these bulls--- theories that have no basis in reality."

Frank Montoya, Jr., a recently retired FBI special agent, characterized Trump's actions as "crazy talk coming from no less than the President of the United States."

"This would be a bad TV melodrama if it weren't real," he added. "The world is watching. Trump may be successfully fooling a third of America with his sociopathic antics, but everyone else ... sees how naked the Emperor is, and they are exploiting the advantage."
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dude yer an absolute joke...impossible to take you seriously...yer just a complete TDS idiot...pretty sure yer one of but a handful of people in the entire world that sees epstein's death as a " non-event"...
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Kpdemello wrote:Well put:
"The Epstein case was hypercharged from the get-go," one current FBI agent, who requested anonymity to freely discuss Trump's actions, told INSIDER. "The last thing investigators need is the president of the United States fanning the flames with these bulls--- theories that have no basis in reality."

Frank Montoya, Jr., a recently retired FBI special agent, characterized Trump's actions as "crazy talk coming from no less than the President of the United States."

"This would be a bad TV melodrama if it weren't real," he added. "The world is watching. Trump may be successfully fooling a third of America with his sociopathic antics, but everyone else ... sees how naked the Emperor is, and they are exploiting the advantage."
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I remember the same being said about "crazy Trump" when Trump said his campaign was being spied on. That was so crazy it ended up being completely true! But have no fear, the FBI will get to the bottom of this Epstein suicide debacle/conspiracy as we know they never have political motives.
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Hmm, seems like a bit of revisionist history, there.

Trump's tweet of March 4, 2017:
Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!
but apparently there's never been evidence that Trump tower was ever wire tapped:
“Both FBI and NSD confirm that they have no records related to wiretaps as described by the March 4, 2017 tweets,” Justice Department lawyers said in September 2017 court filing that refers to the DOJ’s National Security Division. “FBI again confirmed that they do not have any such records by consulting with personnel knowledgable about Director Comey’s statements and the surveillance activities of the FBI.”

Trump himself admitted last month that he had no evidence to back up his claims.

“I said that just on a little bit of a hunch and a little bit of wisdom maybe [and] it blew up because [people] thought maybe I was wise to them,” he told Fox News’ Sean Hannity.
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I believe the wiretaps were of Carter Page, whom Trump claimed he had never met or was advised by on anything. Apparently Trump's campaign claims Page was never at Trump Tower either. https://www.businessinsider.com/carter- ... ers-2017-3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Carter Page was an adviser to candidate Trump and he was wiretapped because of that. And their reasons for gaining the warrant were based on lies and they found no evidence of Trump or Carter Page colluding with Russians. Who cares where he was when he was wiretapped. They no doubt wiretapped his mobile phone not a desk phone in the Trump Tower. Trump was substantially correct and if the same had happened to a Democrat candidate the left, the media, academia would be going absolutely nuts over it.
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Rez wrote:Carter Page was an adviser to candidate Trump and he was wiretapped because of that. And their reasons for gaining the warrant were based on lies and they found no evidence of Trump or Carter Page colluding with Russians. Who cares where he was when he was wiretapped. They no doubt wiretapped his mobile phone not a desk phone in the Trump Tower. Trump was substantially correct and if the same had happened to a Democrat candidate the left, the media, academia would be going absolutely nuts over it.
leftists are never concerned with anything that negatively affects the right...it's the good hate and the ends always justify the means...note the complete lack of concern about "the hunt"...note the complete lack of interest/concern with epstein and clinton...

leftists only care about power and using that power to eliminate any and all opposition...by whatever means necessary...
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I think the details matter. To your main point, they may very well end up discovering evidence of some sort of conspiracy to off Epstein, but so far there's been no evidence, only suspicions. I think at this point it's more likely that his suicide was due to incompetence (e.g. guards falling asleep and not watching him) than conspiracy. But I try to base my conclusions on evidence of what actually happened, not wild theories based on conjecture that Trump's tweeted. It's being investigated, which is good. Lets wait to see what the investigation reveals before drawing or suggesting conclusions.
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Kpdemello wrote:I think the details matter. To your main point, they may very well end up discovering evidence of some sort of conspiracy to off Epstein, but so far there's been no evidence, only suspicions. I think at this point it's more likely that his suicide was due to incompetence (e.g. guards falling asleep and not watching him) than conspiracy. But I try to base my conclusions on evidence of what actually happened, not wild theories based on conjecture that Trump's tweeted. It's being investigated, which is good. Lets wait to see what the investigation reveals before drawing or suggesting conclusions.
funny that wasn't your philosophy at all concerning Russia...

again yer about the ONLY person that thinks epstein's suicide was "nothing out of the ordinary"...
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Amazing! Everyone agrees that Epstein’s death is suspicious, occurred under questionable circumstances, was preventable and needs investigation, yet you all find a way to argue anyway. Do you all even read each others’ posts?
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Bubba wrote:Amazing! Everyone agrees that Epstein’s death is suspicious, occurred under questionable circumstances, was preventable and needs investigation, yet you all find a way to argue anyway. Do you all even read each others’ posts?
Do YOU? dont seem like demento finds it to be anything but a typical prison suicide...
Kpdemello wrote:
Sadly, these prison suicide cases are really not that uncommon. They just rarely get reported on because most of the time people don't care about convicted criminals. Because of that, I tend to believe the conspiracy theories are a lot of nonsense unless you come up with some real evidence saying otherwise.

Here's an article on prison suicides in Massachusetts which says there were 42 suicides in the five-year period ending in 2017.
nor does he seem to think epstein had any links to clinton or vice versa..
I know we've come to expect this sort of thing from our orange President, but this is still so ridiculous:

Quote:
Donald Trump - currently on holiday at his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey - has again stoked controversy by retweeting unfounded conspiracy theories about the apparent suicide of billionaire paedophile Jeffrey Epstein in a New York jail cell on Saturday.

Democratic 2020 contenders Beto O'Rourke and Cory Booker have led the condemnation of the president, accusing him of seeking to divert attention from the bad press he suffered in the aftermath of the El Paso and Dayton mass shootings by giving oxygen to unfounded rumours linking Epstein, a former friend of Mr Trump himself, to his precursor in the White House, Bill Clinton.
really unfounded?

also doesn't seem like demento thinks at all...
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